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nwmrkt
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 2:45 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by MagikDragon » | Roof will be gusseted to teh cage when it is re welded back on to the car, and the car is already stitch welded, look back to page 3(I think) Mark thanks for the update, ( I tried doing it last night but Iserve takes forever) oh well I have like 103 pics from the first day. This gallery is updated with every pic from the first day until now if you need a recap. http://iserve.nicoclub.com/isgallery?id=5&cat=433 enjoy and remember support the NICOclub time attack car, post up if this is something that interests you and come watch us race it in october at VIR, This is a fun project that there will be more of in the future, so kick back and enjoy. |
nice! did you guys remove all that epoxy sealer stuff when you stitched? Did you do the whole car? Have you drove a 240 that was stitched before? (or any car). How was the improvement, any more harshness to the ride?Thanks
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (nwmrkt) | 2:54 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by nwmrkt » | | nice! did you guys remove all that epoxy sealer stuff when you stitched? Did you do the whole car? Have you drove a 240 that was stitched before? (or any car). How was the improvement, any more harshness to the ride? Thanks |
we removed as much of the seam sealer as possible, and burnt off the rest when we welded. the stitching doesn't really change ridgidity of the chassis all that much, it really just improves longevity of the chassis by keeping it all in one piece. this obviously isn't going to be a street car, so harshness isn't really an issue with us.
-Sean
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nwmrkt
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 3:08 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by MagikDragon » | we removed as much of the seam sealer as possible, and burnt off the rest when we welded. the stitching doesn't really change ridgidity of the chassis all that much, it really just improves longevity of the chassis by keeping it all in one piece. this obviously isn't going to be a street car, so harshness isn't really an issue with us. |
Ic thanks, does the absence of seam sealer make it more prone to rust? Also this is what im really intrigued by, because I want to keep my s13 as long as possible..."the stitching doesn't really change ridgidity of the chassis all that much, it really just improves longevity of the chassis by keeping it all in one piece.", can you please go alittle bit more indepth on that? Do you mean over time the chassis would "come apart" so to speak? So if I wanted to keep the car as long as possible stitching would be a good investment? Also I wouldn't mind the extra stiffness.  Thanks
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (nwmrkt) | 3:25 PM 8/6/2007 |
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sticthing for a street car doesn't make much sense.you are really just adding extra spot welds all around your car. IT really keeps the chassis from stretching and coming apart due to the stresses of racing and abuse. what you can do is add new seam sealer after the stitch welding is complete and then obviously spraypaint to prevent your rust
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nwmrkt
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 3:58 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by MagikDragon » | | sticthing for a street car doesn't make much sense. you are really just adding extra spot welds all around your car. IT really keeps the chassis from stretching and coming apart due to the stresses of racing and abuse. what you can do is add new seam sealer after the stitch welding is complete and then obviously spraypaint to prevent your rust |
Thanks for the input. My car will see the track as well as the street but not as serioulsly as this car of course. I want to keep my s13 aslong as possible, so what your saying is just leave the same sealer as it is? The chassis will be fine the whole time?Thanks
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (nwmrkt) | 4:01 PM 8/6/2007 |
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yeah, unless you are really going to be making a serious car, its not worth the minimal gain to stitch weld the chassis.
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the converted
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| « Re: (nwmrkt) | 4:04 PM 8/6/2007 |
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At that point you won't notice the diference. If your running R compunds, big brakes, and 400+hp you are just pushing the chassi so far beyond what it was designed for that you can start to run into fatigue issues and that's where the seam welding comes in. For the effort there isn't much payback for a street car.
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eds13
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| « Re: (PapaSmurf2k3) | 5:06 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by the converted » | | Just kidding silcaminos are for sissy boys, real men take the whole roof off! |
 real men drive trucks 
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the converted
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| « Re: (eds13) | 5:20 PM 8/6/2007 |
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I wondered if you would chime in on that! Your project is pretty sick with some nice craftmasmanship!
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| « Re: (the converted) | 6:58 PM 8/6/2007 |
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hahahah thanks man, this thing is lookin sweet too.
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DJButton
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| « Re: (the converted) | 7:25 PM 8/6/2007 |
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Mark that other fellow was my friend Keith, only coool Subaru guy around! Ed's just jealous, aren't ya bud!? 
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future240owner
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| « Re: (the converted) | 8:16 PM 8/6/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by the converted » |
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Soravia
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11-18-2005
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What about just welding in small steel plates instead of stitch welding? Wouldn't it provide more rigidity for very small increase in weight?
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1991 240SX Coupe VQ30DE project - Sold.
1991 240SX Coupe Celica front seats - Sold.
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Next pick - 240SX? RX-8? RS200? Impreza RS???
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DJButton
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| « Re: (Soravia) | 9:52 PM 8/6/2007 |
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Well as mentioned previously the stitch welding isn't done to increase the rigidity over that of a stock car, but more to maintain that level of firmness after extended track abuse. Hence small tack welds to keep the chassis members attached not a silicone or synthetic/acrylic substance which would break down over time. Welding on small plates would just take away from the theme of the car in adding weight, albeit a small amount. Every pound counts if the finish line margin's are divided by a few hundredths of a second!
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the converted
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| « Re: (Soravia) | 4:51 AM 8/7/2007 |
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Also if you look at that nice little jungle gym that we put in, i think thats going to be all the rigidity that we need.
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eazye2000
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| « Re: (the converted) | 4:57 AM 8/7/2007 |
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Jungle Gym!  Damn, I need to call into work or something and get up there and help you guys with that car!
.......three jobs suck.
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Florida240sx
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Specs on Spec's clutch?
http://www.itsfunnyhoney.com/v..._timeKA-T why settle for anything less?
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the converted
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| « Re: (Florida240sx) | 5:33 AM 8/7/2007 |
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whole assembly weighs 17lbs. Most of the weight is in the middle vs standard clutch so it has a lower rotating moment. Can be rated for up to 800ft lbs of torque (this one is only rated for 600 to make moving it around easier). Plus this is the first twin disk that I have ever "owned"
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USsil80
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hey man i am home on leave and if you want to talk about those parts that you wanted again just give me a hola
get sideways and flypart of the less than 1% protecting our freedoms USAF
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Heavy
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4-7-2007
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| « Re: (USsil80) | 4:03 PM 8/7/2007 |
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man thats made a lot of improvement since i saw it what 2 weeks ago with a big 01? on the side...btw sean, ill race you to see who can get their motor in first lol
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (Heavy) | 4:07 PM 8/7/2007 |
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i dont think that would be much of a race....
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future240owner
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10-5-2005
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 6:52 PM 8/7/2007 |
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profec is out and ready if you still want it. LMK.
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DJButton
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| « Re: (future240owner) | 8:03 PM 8/7/2007 |
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There is a lot of stuff this car still wants! 
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the converted
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| « Re: (DJButton) | 9:00 PM 8/7/2007 |
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Let me or Sean know what you want for the profec. donations are always accepted!
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (the converted) | 4:06 PM 8/8/2007 |
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I've already talked to adam and we're gettin it for a damn good deal, anyway if there is anyone who is near Epsom, NH and wants to help out I can sure use some help this weekend
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Soravia
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How much weight difference is there between the stock clutch+Flywheel and the new Twin-Disc pack?
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (Soravia) | 5:31 PM 8/8/2007 |
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not sure, but the stock one is really really heavy....
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Soravia
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Will that 'Lightened' flywheel break up easily? I know that there's a lot of torque at the crank of the SR20 on hi-boost.
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MagikDragon
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| « Re: (Soravia) | 5:43 PM 8/8/2007 |
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well the entire kit is built as 1 unit, you cant buy that flywheel without the clutch, and the clutch is good for 800 ft lbs of torque, the flywheel was just de pressurized for only about 600, and this is very similar to the setup used in 1200 hp drag cars. Maybe I can have someone from spec chime in with more specific answers..
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 7:29 PM 8/8/2007 |
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hey guys I'll be there on sunday to pitch in with the help
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Fenris
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| « Re: (x240xdrifter) | 7:39 PM 8/8/2007 |
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ill be out of work 6pm at the latest if i work sunday that is, im up to help. Ive seen it 1st person and its gonna be a beast.
Fenris - Concord NH -
FOR SALE - '91 5Spd RMS13 240sx 185k
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| « Re: (Fenris) | 6:28 AM 8/9/2007 |
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To bad I'm going to miss working on this the next few weekends (going snowboarding) but We should be able to get an engine built and in the weekend I get back.Kevin I'll take you up on that race, one weekend build and in?
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| « Re: (the converted) | 8:32 AM 8/9/2007 |
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Where the hell are you going snowboarding in August? 
http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/
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| « Re: (PapaSmurf2k3) | 8:40 AM 8/9/2007 |
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Valle Nevaro in Chile
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| « Re: (the converted) | 9:44 AM 8/12/2007 |
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Got some stuff done so far, we'll be updating after the weekend!
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180sxfaktory
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| « Re: (DJButton) | 12:34 PM 8/12/2007 |
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Wow! You guys rule! Coming along nicely, I see! If I can get up to NH this time to see you guys, I definitely will.
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G35Dreamer
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| « Re: (180sxfaktory) | 5:54 PM 8/12/2007 |
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Too bad I'm not up in NH helping out this weekend...If everything works out I'm planning on going up next weekend to help out. and to see Sean heh heh 
 Amy
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MagikDragon
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Dale,
Good to see you postin' up, and it would be killer if you could come up and work on the race car with us. Amy, Can't wait to see you next week! Remember, every weekend we are working on this car to get it ready for VIR in october, so any spare hands are appriciated. This weekend we go to finishing the cutting on the cage, we took it out one last time to get it finish welded and painted. We removed any extra weight in the doors and put sheet aluminum over the door panel opening, and we also cleaned up the rest of the sound deadening. It was a pretty productive weekend with pics to come tomorrow.
Thanks to everyone that came up to help
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G35Dreamer
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| « Re: (MagikDragon) | 7:28 AM 8/13/2007 |
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Hey Great news guys,  I might be able to get some extra fundings for the car through Goodrich EOS!!! Sean, if you and I can get the proposal letter done tonight I can go out and get the pictures printed to make a nice book of the progress made so far and get it in to HR by Wed. we should hear back by Thursday afternoon. I'm excited hopefully everything works out!!!
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| « Re: (G35Dreamer) | 9:43 AM 8/13/2007 |
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Wow, good deal, Amy you rule!Yeah Dale like I said, anytime you want to stop, feel free!
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