I must say, I had a couple of chemistry profs that were into alternative fuels and I remember one telling me that there is not enough physical space on the planet to meet our energy needs via ethanol. This was several years ago.

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There isn't enough oil/ethanol or any other petro product on this entire planet to keep us happy for a lot longer. We are wasters and consumers with 90% of the population not giving a crap what happens to anything or anyone.

We're destroying the planet, that's PURE FACT right there. We put a dude on the moon FOREVER ago. We have the technology to do almost anything right now, we just choose not to. The people in power across the globe are going to choose to line their pockets and stay in power as long as possible.

We could all be driving 200whp 1.3 liter turbocharged cars that get 40+ MPG in the city. The people who control the oil have SO much money that they can influence almost any decision in their favor. It doesn't help that we've had nothing but a corrupt white house for the last 12 friggin years either.

If I can make a few hardworking farmers rich, so be it. I'll gladly pay more per gallon and give the money to American farmers.

E85 and Propane along with a slew of other options are definitely the answer to the future of internal combustion. I'll get off my soapbox now...

Oh, everyone forgets that oil isn't just used for gas and lubrication products, its in almost everything you use everyday. The keyboard you're using and the monitor you're looking at right now are oil products.

WD

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The simple fact is that the average American has too much money and really doesn't care too much about high fuel prices. Sure, that might change a little if gas tops $5 per gallon but untill then people will drive their gas guzzlers.

Really, the only solution is to get people out of their cars. If we make super efficient cars people will just drive more. The real answer is a move back toward city living and building vertically as opposed to horizontally. Many cities have for years had height restrictions on buildings. This forces builders to build horizontally, which it turn makes people drive a lot more. This is why strip malls each take up a half mile of road. This also makes mass transit futile because things are just too spread out. Would you get off a bus at one end of a mile long strip mall and walk to the other end to where you need to go and then back to the bus stop? Not me.

I think there will need to be some major changes in the way we do things before the fuel problem can even begin to be addressed.

LOL, I'm speaking more in terms of commercial buildings although city living is not a new concept. You think the way NY city is built is dumb?

People would still live outside the city as well - it's not a all or nothing deal. And it's not about better transit it's about not destroying the atmoshphere, depleating our resources and giving our money to nut jobs who will spend it on weapons to kill us.

Where will the children play when all our land is contaminated from nuclear fallout?

The answers to the whole transportation thing my friends is right under our noses, Europe got it damn right perfectly, and America really can't.

Its called Public Transportation. Here in America you see people everyday driving their huge cars every where, and when you look in them what do you see only one person in the car. This kind of stuff is probably the number one source for our problems.

Another thing is Brian hit the nail on the head. E85 isn't here to burn cleaner or save the atmosphere. It's here to preserve the oil. Like I said Brian hit it right on the head.

Everything we pretty much look at, we use everyday, Is made out of using oil, if we loose that, it will cause a huge inflation on our market, fuel will be the last thing to worry about.

Now the answer does lie in making hydrogen powerd, or electric powered cars. And honestly speaking belive it or not we are closer to producing a fully hydrogen powered car then we are to producing full electric car, what I mean by that is it being fully reliable and easily refueld.

Using water to produce hydrogen powered cars isn't hard, all it takes is splitting some molecules and keeping them under control. But in all honestly what government in their right mind would allow for such a thing.

Think about it.
Mike

Ethanol is not a viable fuel alternative.

Now let's return the thread to it's original topic - ethanol is a great low cost race fuel.

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if you can get e85 in your area, i highly recommend it. i have tuned a few ka-t's and 1 high compression ka with it and have had great results.

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Im eagerly awaiting e85, a guy on the evo forums is pushing 510whp daily with a 35r and e85 fuel only! He made 475whp on 93+alky. An awesome gain over straight 93. Cheap Racegas thats eco-friendly FTW! EDIT: This is on a very low reading mustang dyno. Add about 15-20% ad it'll be close to dynojet numbers.

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Unless you have an E85 station at the end of your block and you fill up daily, the time will come when you get stranded. Perhaps you could carry a can of denatured alcohol in your trunk.

so ill be able to run gas or e85. i have a few questions..

why do u need to change pumps?

would a single walbro be enough? a 255hlp . im not shooting for 600hp.. im gona run a t28 at 8-10psi...

i am running 14* total timing at WOT right now @ 22psi. it is very conservative.

i'll admit it takes more E85 (about 30% more) but if i am not mashing on the pedal i dont really feel the difference. plus it is $2.80 for 105 octane.
so i add 2.80 x 0.30 = 3.64 a gallon for 105 octane. i like that.

i go through a tank every week. but my 100lb injectors take a lot of fuel

absolutely. i run 400whp with 1 walbro and e85 at 22psi. just rewire your fuel pump for a direct 12v line. i believe there is a write up on here or freshalloy how to do it.

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The best I have seen, was 400 and I am sure you can make a little bit more but I have yet to see 500 on a single.

I have seen 500 on a single walbro running racegas but not on E85

walbro 255 might flow enough for 500hp with gasoline, but e85 is not gasoline. e85 kat's require more fuel than gasoline for the same power numbers.

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You will need more then a 255lph pump to run 500 on E85. But dropping in two isn't that difficult. I would just assume run twin MSD pumps externally mounted.

The big gasoline companies controls a lot in this world, I never trust anything I see on TV these days and this is one thing I wont accept.
Iīm 100% sure the gas companies will do all in their power to stop E85 and other new ideas.

A year ago you could read testīs regarding E85 and how good it is and now when many people use it, you hear the opposite.
Pure BS in my ears.

If you are a gas lover and refuse to use E85 daily, at least give it a chanse in your race car. Use it as a pure race fuel.

Modified by Swedish Mike at 2:21 PM 5/20/2007

Haha, yeah, yeah...

A guy over here tried to commit suicide using a hose from the exhaust and into the car.
He tried for hours but nothing happened and finally gave up.
Later he understood why he failed, he forgot that he had a E85 car!

Read this in a news mag a while ago.

Bare in mind that this is just some basic theory I whipped up in like 15 seconds, but it's sound.

Might as well try it out...

I'm going to see how high the 255 can flow with E85. im at 22psi already but my act xtreme clutch is slipping real bad it cant handle 430+ wtq ( i am throwing a rb20 flywheel and jwt 350z clutch in tomorrow so i am going to see what it takes to max this pump out. then i got a supra pump i am going to throw in (290lph)

If you want to tune a lot of cars and fast ones, get a microphone and head set knock guard.
The only way to be 100%, many electronic knock devices miss the small and dangerous detonations.

The only downside is that you only use it for tuning, not mounted in the car.

Thats true Mike, except with the J&S he uses an actual sonar type device so it works a little bit differently, it basically detects it before it even happens.

I know sounds kinda weird but it works.

Never heard of it but sounds like a nice piece. Probably detect the knocks at early stage, you can hear the same thing in the headset type, you hear them build up and can stop them before it happens.

We tested a few cheap knock detectors a few years ago and they couldnīt tell the difference between a knock and angry cams pounding. Red light all the way.

One small knock can kill the engine and many devices on the market need one knock to react, thatīs the bad part.

Thats just a little bit from the description. I read somewhere that the guy that invented this used to be some sort of a sonar tech in th Air Force.

Cool, I got to read more about this. Never heard the word sonar before.

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Back to E85....

We were using AN-6 fuel feed line, dual walbros and it maxed out The feed line at 560WHP. Another setup was dual pump AN-8 feed line with stock return on a 2.0 and they were making 660 whp.So I am not sure how far stock lines will let it go. With 1 pump and stock lines I have seen 396whp. Now, maybe running a bigger fuel feed line will make more power with a single pump, I dunno but maybe worth a shot.

and maybe some dyno numbers?