No AIM, sorry. The Mitsu GDI engine is only used in a few models of S/V40.
Way to complicated injection to convert, wouldn´t do it.

The big main pump on the engine is very fragile and often break, E85 would probably jam it.
Also hard to give it more fuel, special injectors and impossible to adjust fuel pressure since this is made in the pump.

damn, oh well. I wasn't considering converting on a KA, just theory in general. I just think E85 would be a better route to go with because of lower combustion temperatures, and one of the main problems with direct injectors is that they are burning up. Also, with direct injection its capable of running an AFR of 65:1 with gasoline, and was wondering the possibilites of AFR with E85, and its effects on turbo applications. The future of internal combustion engines should be cool... now only if they dont gay up everything around the motor (body, etc)
this is the best thing nissan has released since the 350z:
http://www.nissanusa.com/altimaCoupe/

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ok so what happened here. i started my own thread about my E85 project and it made its way into here? im lost! no moderator post or anything telling me they did it!

Haha, I´m totally lost as well.

There is no sense having two exactly the same threads going on at once. This is a family and we work as a team, there's no need to feel you have to have your own thread. By working together and sharing idea's we'll be able to come up with the best methods for what is already the same goal.

The other reason I did this is simple. I've been modding Nico for just over 4 years. I've seen some great threads simply slip by the way side that contained really good information. I didn't want that to happen here, so I merged the two threads in hopes of having one really good final product. I want other websites linking here because we rock.

If you honestly have an issue, I'll be more then happy to discuss things over AIM, I'm WDRacin, or email me WDRacing2003@yahoo.com

WD

Truth is Treason in the Kingdom of Lies - Ron Paul

http://www.oakton.edu/user/~mnowosielski/turbo/

More pictures of fuel line setup and fuel pump setup coming up, also a complete write up of how Im going to tune it too. Just gotta gimme some time cause my eprom burner is kicking my *** right now lol.

2 litre limit, 8500 rpm limit and now running 300 bhp.

WD

Nope, read it in a magazine. The STCC engines are top secret stuff, even if I had a link they wouldn´t tell or show pics.
Many brands and they all want the wildest engine.
The Volvo Team even promised more power using E85, I think they use 108 octane race fuel now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWyryJXr-A

EDIT: This is on a very low reading mustang dyno. Add about 15-20% ad it'll be close to dynojet numbers.

if you guys find any interesting articles on e85, i will forward the request over to him, and we'll see if he can get them.

sae paper search engine is here: http://www.sae.org/jsp/jsps/advancesearch.jsp

just link up the ones you think might be helpful in this discussion.

Houston 240sx owners click here!

Texas 240sx owners click here!

With E85 you can run very aggressive mapping and make gobs of power at a low boost before you even think about retarding timing.

I was actually thinking about going with a high compression KA and using E85 to facilitate a low boost setup. Say 8 psi max...

That would make for a very fun car to drive everyday.

FYI, Im talking about the line from the gas tank to the motor that runs under the car.

I'll be running it once I finish my move to TX in Oct.

WD

I can't get much more detailed than that.

After some very basic math and a tad bit of research here are some approximate financial numbers you will be looking at when goin E85.

In terms of what I would pay per year for fuel

Gasoline - $1200
E85 - $1142

here is the equation I used:

[(Weekly Miles x 52) / Miles per Gallon] x Cost of Fuel = How much money you spend on fuel per year

For Gasoline I used 25 MPG which is what auto trader says a 1990 240SX gets on highway. (NOT THE MPG OF A KA-T)

E85 requires 30% more fuel in order to get to the same level as Gasoline. And these are in terms of WOT which you wont always be at. **NEVC (National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition) claims that there will be a 10-15% drop in fuel economy** So actual daily driving conditions will raise the MPG which will lower the annual cost. Anyways I used 30% to be safe and a 30% drop in fuel economy from 25MPG is 17.5 MPG

For miles i used roughly 200 miles per week and rounded it off to about 10,000 miles a year for easy math since i didn't have a calculator.

So really that number is the "theoretical" estimate of the most one would pay for E85 a year.

Of course these are ideal and theoretical conditions in which the price of gas will never rise or drop. And the E85 price is different in every state. I happen to live in Illinois where gas is $3.00/gallon and E85 is $2.00/gallon. Which is why i gave an equation that you guys could play around and adjust according to the MPG you have recorded in your car and how much gas costs by you. The only way we will get SOLID numbers is to get an E85 240 up and running.

Only thing I am unsure of is my calculation of the MPG for E85 but it seems logical.

Can we get this thread started up again? Hopefully this will put some life back into it but as much fun as it is to talk about the politics of fuel in America it isnt very productive so lets try and stay on the subject of what is involved in converting a 240 into an E85 machine.

-Tomek

My KAE-T Build Thread Updated 10/26/2007

Does it take more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than the energy we get out of it?

Response:

No. This has been a common misconception of the ethanol industry, that it takes more energy to make ethanol than is available to the final consumer. Remember, ethanol is produced from plant matter, today dominated by corn, wheat, potatoes, sorgum, etc. Plants grow through the use of energy provided by the sun and are a renewable resources. In the future, ethanol will be produced from waste products or "energy crops." In fact, a partner of the NEVC, BC International (BCI), is currently constructing an ethanol production plant in Louisiana that will use sugar cane waste to produce ethanol. Additionally, BCI is considering the establishment of ethanol production facilities in California that would use the waste hulls from rice growers and wood waste from the forrest industry to produce ethanol. Energy crops such as perennial switch grasses, timothy, and other high-output/low-input crops will be used in the future.

Current research prepared by Argonne National Laboratory (a U.S. Department of Energy Laboratory), indicates a 38% gain in the overall energy input/output equation for the corn-to-ethanol process. That is, if 100 BTUs of energy is used to plant corn, harvest the crop, transport it, etc., 138 BTUs of energy is available in the fuel ethanol. Corn yields and processing technologies have improved significantly over the past 20 years and they continue to do so, making ethanol production less and less energy intensive.

Here is a link to their FAQ, pretty interesting stuff. But then again this is like asking AMS if their products are good, of course they are gonna say yes even if its just to sell their products (hehe j/k) but you guys see what im saying. I havent found an unbiased source yet but this is a good start. Anyways here is the link

http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/questions.php

-Tomek

Modified by sstomek at 3:22 PM 4/27/2007

yea I really am interested in getting my 240 running on E85 but first we gotta finish b00sting it.

Let's hear the detailed plans you have to get your next 240 running on E85. Screw it I want your next post to be a 240SX E85 How-To with easy to read steps, pictures, and links to other sites/resources

Hows that?

hey now i'm the one attempting to start this thread up again

Water-Powered Car
For more than three decades now, Daniel Dingel has been claiming that his car can run with water as fuel. An article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer said that Dingle built his engine as early as 1969. Dingel built a car reactor that uses electricity from a 12-volt car battery to split the ordinary tap water into hydrogen and oxygen components. The hydrogen can then be used to power the car engine.
Dingel said that a number of foreign car companies have expressed interest in his invention. The officials of the Department of Science and Technology (DOST) have dismissed Dingel's water-powered car as a hoax. In return, Dingel accused them of conspiring with oil producing countries. Dingel, however, was the not the only man on earth who is testing water as an alternative fuel. American inventors Rudolf Gunnerman and Stanley Meyer and the researchers of the U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory have been pursuing similar experiments.
Video explaining it
http://video.google.com/videop...35391

wtf? This is a joke, right?

As a race fuel this stiuff is awesome.

Actually I didn't want to say anything on here yet, and wont for a while. But I do have a really good friend thats a PHD Candidate and works here at the Fermi Lab in Chicago.

Right now he is working on a prototype project that will actually make the car a hybrid Hydrogen car. Meaning you will still need fuel but it will improve gas millage of up to 45%. I will be testing this prototype here in the next 2 or 3 weeks. As soon as the results come in I will post a full article about it.

As for the cost - if E85 is $2.00 per gallon but requires an additional 45% consumption you can simply multiply $2.00 * 1.45 to get $2.90 as opposed to $300 for straight gas. If those numbers are correct.

Also, I don't think E85 has any environmental benefit as it will still produce CO2 - perhaps there is some IDK. The main thing is that we are not giving our money to nut jobs that want to kill us.

But for us, it would simply be a low cost racing fuel. This would make the most difference to someone already pushing hella boost. I am limited by the strength of my stock internals so I see no real benefit save maybee a bit more low end, low boost torque.

I do know there are like 2 places withing a couple of hours from Detroit that sell it. And they are a couple hours away.

BTW - the price of corn syrup and many other products has gone through the roof since corn is being diverted to ethanol production so be prepaired to pay through the nose at the supermarket. I produce soft drinks and the price of my sugar is up 45% - I pay about $5,000 per month for sugar. It's so bad that Coke is looking into alternative sweetners.