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Charlotte/Concord NC
6-4-2006

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I'm new to the forum.. here's my question...
I'm going to do swap from auto to manual. My car isa '92 model and the tranny I got is an '89. When buying parts, like clutch set, do I go by the year of the tranny or the current car model which is '92.
Thanks

All DOHC KAs use the same clutch - so just make sure it is for a 91-98 Nissan 240sx with KA24DE engine

I think the SOHC KAs use the same too - but I am not totally sure on that so dont quote me!




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Ok. Thanks
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Not a problem LMK if you need any more help!
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Gentlemen,
I basically followed the instructiions on the swap and did everything but I can't seem to get the bloody key out of the ignition. I read somewhere where you have to attach the shift interlock back in. Where is that and how do I do that. I'm stuck! Actually the key is stuck!! Please help.
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Gentlemen,
I basically followed the instructiions on the swap and did everything but I can't seem to get the bloody key out of the ignition. I read somewhere where you have to attach the shift interlock back in. Where is that and how do I do that. I'm stuck! Actually the key is stuck!! Please help.

I have never heard that before?
I pulled the shift lock cable - from the shifter to the ignition and did not install it back - and had "0" issues?

Sounds to me like you ignition messed up somehow?
There is that little button you need to press in to remove your key - I bet somthing is messed up there.

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1992 240sx Coupe and 1995 240sx
Greenwood IN
11-17-2006

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Instead of making a new thread, I figured I'd just ask it here. Does any one know the bolt size, thread pitch, and length of the M/T bellhousing bolts. I searched here and google and came up with nothing.



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11-17-2006

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Thanks JDS, very cool of you!
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Thanks JDS, very cool of you!


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Greenwood IN
11-17-2006

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Just curious, where are those part numbers from?
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 « Re: Remove key from Ignition (redhb240SXS13)


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Just curious, where are those part numbers from?

Nissan

and another quick tip - stay away from the bolt kits on ebay - they are crap!
Trust me I know first hand!

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1992 240sx Coupe and 1995 240sx
Greenwood IN
11-17-2006

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I was hoping they were nissan. I won't buy anything from Ebay, but thanks for the warning and the info.
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BKLYN NY
5-2-2008

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (KnoxVegasS13)


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I got mine for like 500 bucks.

Hey Where did you get yours for 500 bucks???
That does not include the transmission right?
How much was the total cost?
How can I find a shop that knows what they're doing on 240sx in NYC area.

Thanks in advance.
R



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'91 RB powered 240
Eldorado IL
3-12-2007

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Ok, so Im considering about getting this auto 97 S14, and I have a manual S13 trans available. Can I use the auto S14 bell housing with the S13 trans and that will allow me to keep the crank angle sensor? If not, the (DOHC) S13 trans will work fine but itll throw a CAS code? And are OBD1 and OBD2 KA trannys the same other than the bell housing?



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Ok, so Im considering about getting this auto 97 S14, and I have a manual S13 trans available. Can I use the auto S14 bell housing with the S13 trans and that will allow me to keep the crank angle sensor? If not, the (DOHC) S13 trans will work fine but itll throw a CAS code? And are OBD1 and OBD2 KA trannys the same other than the bell housing?

Yes you can use the KA and SR gear box and rear of the tranny - but you will need the SR bellhousing for the SR and the KA bellhousing for the KA.

The ODBII S14 trannies have 2 holes (bolt hole and CAS hole) ontop the bellhousing for the crank angle sensor.

You can use the S13 and S14 ODBI or ODBII bellhousings on any DOHC KA - but on the ODBII S14 it will more than likely throw a code if you do not use the crank angle sensor. The ODBII S14 car will run without the CAS - but I doubt it will pass emissions with the check engine light on?

Best bet is find a good tranny or rebuild one and find a ODBII S14 bellhousing.

You also have the sensors to deal with as well.

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'91 RB powered 240
Eldorado IL
3-12-2007

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Ok, well Ill have a OBD2 S14 bell housing, but itll be off of an Auto trans, will that work if I use it with a manual KA gearbox? I dont think it will because it also needs the hole for the slave cyl. right?

If that wont work, can I just use a OBD1 trans/bell housing and wire around the crank angle sensor? Im assuming the crank angle sensor is just a resistor type sensor, if it is, than I can just use a variable rate resistor on the signal wire and adjust it until it no longer throws the code...

Kinda crazy, but it just might work haha.

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Ok, well Ill have a OBD2 S14 bell housing, but itll be off of an Auto trans, will that work if I use it with a manual KA gearbox? I dont think it will because it also needs the hole for the slave cyl. right?

If that wont work, can I just use a OBD1 trans/bell housing and wire around the crank angle sensor? Im assuming the crank angle sensor is just a resistor type sensor, if it is, than I can just use a variable rate resistor on the signal wire and adjust it until it no longer throws the code...

Kinda crazy, but it just might work haha.

No the auto bellhousing will not work.
As for wiring around the CAS - I have cant say really I havent looked into it.

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'91 RB powered 240
Eldorado IL
3-12-2007

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No the auto bellhousing will not work.
As for wiring around the CAS - I have cant say really I havent looked into it.

Thats cool, wouldnt it actually be more efficient and cause less CELs to show up if you find an OBD1 5sp ECU?
For example, my combination Im thinking about running would be:
OBD1 KA trans with an OBD1 5sp ECU in a OBD2 S14.
But would that OBD1 ECU run the OBD2 motor OK? And it should be a plug and play ECU swap right? (no jumper harness)

Also, will a S13 clutch and brake pedal assembly work in a S14?


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1996 240sx SE
Harrisonburg VA
2-14-2008

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Thats cool, wouldnt it actually be more efficient and cause less CELs to show up if you find an OBD1 5sp ECU?
For example, my combination Im thinking about running would be:
OBD1 KA trans with an OBD1 5sp ECU in a OBD2 S14.
But would that OBD1 ECU run the OBD2 motor OK? And it should be a plug and play ECU swap right? (no jumper harness)

Also, will a S13 clutch and brake pedal assembly work in a S14?


pedals are interchangeable- just make sure you get a brake pedal with a cruise control sensor if your car currently has it and i have heard that you will also need to shim one of the bolts on the clutch pedal for the pedal to mount at the correct angle. as far as ECMs go, i am pretty sure you need to get a M/T ECM that matches your production year. however, josh can confirm this. also, check the pin numbers and harness layout between the ECMs you are thinking of swapping. this may provide your answer straight away.

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You could possably repin a ODBI ECU to work on a ODBII car - but I would think you would still get codes - I am not sure on this though just thinking logically.

Also IMO you are trying to do way to much work - if you want a ODBI car - sell yours and get a ODBI car - IMO its much easier - as you might go threw all this trouble and it will not work like you planned.

If you have a ODBII car and want to pass emissions - get your year ODBII ECU - plus the tranny bellhousing.

You can use the s13 pedal on a s14 - you may have to use a few washers to level it up on 1 side - I have done it before without the washers and you couldnt even tell though. Just check it when you put it in.

Agin I would try your best to get a s14 pedal assembly w/ sensors and connector w/ pigtail - if you dont get these you will have to straight wire them in.

Not to make a sale but you have so many questions that are answered in my DVD - I have no problem helping you out - but to be fair to my pervious buyers - please watch it and then you can ask me all the questions you like - I will help as much as i can.

Thanx!

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'91 RB powered 240
Eldorado IL
3-12-2007

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Hey man, completly understandable, its just a pain trying to find all OBDII parts seems how theyre only made from 96-98 haha. Im just trying to figure out a way that could possibly be cheaper, but more importantly, easier to find the parts. Junked S13s are a dime a dozen when compared to S14s, and even more so on OBDII S14s. The info is out there for OBDI to OBDI and OBDII to OBDII auto to manual swaps, but not so much on what Im trying to sort out.
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1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
Greenville SC
7-25-2005

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I have a wiring question thats is holding me up from driving my car. I did the swap and I tossed my old auto trans harness because it was messed up and I got a lower harness from a 5 spd. The swap is done, but I am not getting power to the starter. I am sure it is because of that neutral safety switch, but how do I wire that up if I got rid of the auto trans harness???

Oh also, I swapped the ECU for a 5 spd ECU, so maybe its not the Neutral saftey or park neutral switch?




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Charlotte/Concord NC
6-4-2006

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I have a wiring question thats is holding me up from driving my car. I did the swap and I tossed my old auto trans harness because it was messed up and I got a lower harness from a 5 spd. The swap is done, but I am not getting power to the starter. I am sure it is because of that neutral safety switch, but how do I wire that up if I got rid of the auto trans harness???

Oh also, I swapped the ECU for a 5 spd ECU, so maybe its not the Neutral saftey or park neutral switch?

Well the auto harness works best IMO.
5 Speed ECU is recommended as well.

As for the Park switch (the only 2 wire plug behind the fuse box) - you just jumper the 2 wires on it together - this connector is behind the fuse box in the engine bay.
There are 2 options - jumper the actual harness and loose the connector all together - or jumper the plug and plug it into the connector.

***If you relocated your battery - make sure you ran a wire to the starter from the battery

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1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
Greenville SC
7-25-2005

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Hey man thanks for responding so fast. I will definately do this tomorrow to see if it fixes it. So, all I had to do this whole time is connect the ends of 2 wires going into that single plug? Also, about the battery re-location, I have not done it yet but will in the future. So when you said run the wire from the battery to the starter, did you mean the ground or positive wire? Oh and one more thing, the extra plugs on the 5 spd harness that do not plug into anything, can I just snip them and tape them off so it looks cleaner without plugs hanging around? Thanks again guys.
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6-4-2006

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Hey man thanks for responding so fast. I will definately do this tomorrow to see if it fixes it. So, all I had to do this whole time is connect the ends of 2 wires going into that single plug? Also, about the battery re-location, I have not done it yet but will in the future. So when you said run the wire from the battery to the starter, did you mean the ground or positive wire? Oh and one more thing, the extra plugs on the 5 spd harness that do not plug into anything, can I just snip them and tape them off so it looks cleaner without plugs hanging around? Thanks again guys.

No problem man.
Yes its the only 2 wire plug (there are 4 plugs in a row) on the S14 its the top plug and I cant remember which location on the S13 it is but its the smaller of all the plugs and its a 2 wire plug as well.

As for the relocation - the starter has a power wire and a signal wire - the power wire being the thicker of the 2 - there are many ways of wiring up the relocation - the most basic way - is to keep the harness intack and use the stock posative battery cable - cut off the termanal - and extend it to the trunk (as you will still need to power everything)- of course there is more involved than just this.

Yes any connector not used can be cut off and taped up to the harness - just make sure the cut wire will never touch any other open wire or metal or you will have issues.
I am not sure if you using the s13 or s14 harness or car for that matter?
On the S14 tranny harness you have - from from front to rear - crank angle sensor (on ODBII), Reverse lamp switch, OD (5th) pos. switch, Neutral pos. switch, Speed sensor. You will use all of these with the 5 speed and auto harness. Reverse and Neutral is the only 2 you really need though.

If you have the lower harness too - it will have the subconnector to connect the tranny harness to, the starter wiring, oil press switch wire, alternator wiring, battery wiring, fuse box wiring - you will connect all of these.

The S13 tranny harness has - from front to rear - Speed sensor connector, Reverse lamp switch, Top (4th) pos. switch, OD (5th) pos. switch, Neutral pos. switch and the lower harness is the same as the S14

You do not need to connect the Top (4th) pos. switch or the OD (5th) pos. switch on the S13 tranny. But you can if you want it to be like factory.

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1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
Greenville SC
7-25-2005

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Hey man, I connected those 2 wires, and it still did not crank over. On the How to S13 swap on this forum, it says to splice the 2 wires together and then connect in back into the chasis plug. But All I have is that 2 wire plug. Nothing plugs into it. I thought its because I swapped harnesses. Anyways, All I did was jumper those two connector wires together, but it is not plugged into anything. Is it supposed to be? Is this where my problem it? When I connected the wires, I heard a relay start buzzing instead. It was the one closest to the shock tower in the pass side fuse block (the green one on the end). I cannot figure this damn thing out. Please help. By the way, this is on an S13. Thanks.
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Hey man, I connected those 2 wires, and it still did not crank over. On the How to S13 swap on this forum, it says to splice the 2 wires together and then connect in back into the chasis plug. But All I have is that 2 wire plug. Nothing plugs into it. I thought its because I swapped harnesses. Anyways, All I did was jumper those two connector wires together, but it is not plugged into anything. Is it supposed to be? Is this where my problem it? When I connected the wires, I heard a relay start buzzing instead. It was the one closest to the shock tower in the pass side fuse block (the green one on the end). I cannot figure this damn thing out. Please help. By the way, this is on an S13. Thanks.

You confused me on that one - post a pic of how you jumpered the wires and the location of them etc.
That will help understand alot better.

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7-25-2005

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Hey man. I am an idiot. I got messing around and finally got the starter to click. Maybe I didn't have them connected good enough, but it started clicking and I was like ****, my battery is probably almost dead because for some reason, my dash lights stay on even with the key out of the ignition, so maybe something else in the wiring is screwed up also. Anyways, I charged it up and it cranked right over. damn I feel retarded. Jumping those wires had me stumped though because i knew something like that was wrong, but I didn't know why I couldn't crank it over. Now my car runs. Yeaaaa. So thanks a million for helping me out. Now I just need to figure out why my dash lights are always on (mainly just the brake light from the e-brake being pulled, and the seatbelt light.
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Hey man. I am an idiot. I got messing around and finally got the starter to click. Maybe I didn't have them connected good enough, but it started clicking and I was like ****, my battery is probably almost dead because for some reason, my dash lights stay on even with the key out of the ignition, so maybe something else in the wiring is screwed up also. Anyways, I charged it up and it cranked right over. damn I feel retarded. Jumping those wires had me stumped though because i knew something like that was wrong, but I didn't know why I couldn't crank it over. Now my car runs. Yeaaaa. So thanks a million for helping me out. Now I just need to figure out why my dash lights are always on (mainly just the brake light from the e-brake being pulled, and the seatbelt light.

Awsome glad you got it running - not sure on the dash lights though - the wiring for the 5 speed swap has nothing to do with those lights?

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LostinAngeles CA
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 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (180fan)


very helpful...now maybe ill consider buying an auto S13 n convertting it lol



Quote, originally posted by mrgreeneyes »
its for "off road use only" now. cool.

good thing i drive on streets and not roads.



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 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (DriftBoy07)


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very helpful...now maybe ill consider buying an auto S13 n convertting it lol

If I had the $$ I would for sure

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 « Brake Cancel Switch problem!


Hi, I searched.

I'm in the middle of my 5speed swap and was finishing up the last bit of wiring when I came to the automatic speed control device step.
Looking at this picture which isn't mine, it's another s14.


http://www.ka24development.com...h.jpg

I noticed that I have the two connecters on the right but not the one blue one on the far left...where did that come from. This is needed to complete the clutch cancel switch...any help guys would be appreciated.

-Chris

Modified by nlzmo400r at 1:36 PM 7/11/2008



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kearny new jersey
10-7-2008

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (180fan)


I need some help. I am swapping a CA18DET with 5spd into my 93 s13 KA24DE auto. What clutch assembly and parts should I get for this swap? And where can I buy them?
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1989 nissan 240sx
riverside ca
10-10-2008

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (nightkid86)


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Supplement on removing a flywheel:

There are a few ways to get an automatic or manual flywheel on or off.

The easiest by far is to have an impact gun. A quick ziiiip and the flywheel is on the ground. If you don't have an impact gun the flywheel will spin as you try to take it off, you can attempt to brace the flywheel using screwdrivers and such, while holding the crank pulley with a 27mm socket.... or you can use this secret:


EASY WAY TO GET ON AND OFF A FLYWHEEL: upon doing a clutch swap a year or so after my 5 speed conversion, I ran into a really easy way to change the flywheel. Basically you get a new bolt (and possibly a nut since the a/t flywheel isn't threaded) that will fit into a hole on the flywheel (the hole not used to bolt to the crankshaft) and use a bellhousing bolt. Run a chain between the two bolts as shown in the diagram below. it doesn't matter if the chain is too long, the excess can just dangle. Put the chain on and then turn the flywheel to add tension to the chain. The chain will now keep the flywheel from spinning. This works great to hold the flywheel if you don't have an impact gun. Wrench away.



this right here saved me soo much time during my clutch swap
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93 240sx
san diego ca
1-9-2004

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (jedis13)


i'm new, but i am using jds swap dvd and WOW! tons of info. step by step. my only thing is the wiring. im stuck on the wiring because i'm electrically retarded. i'm starting to think that i bought the wrong harness. JDS also helps out alot. he's a very knowledgeable guy. thanks again.
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Charlotte/Concord NC
6-4-2006

 « Re: Brake Cancel Switch problem! (nlzmo400r)


Quote, originally posted by nlzmo400r »
Hi, I searched.

I'm in the middle of my 5speed swap and was finishing up the last bit of wiring when I came to the automatic speed control device step.
Looking at this picture which isn't mine, it's another s14.


http://www.ka24development.com...h.jpg

I noticed that I have the two connecters on the right but not the one blue one on the far left...where did that come from. This is needed to complete the clutch cancel switch...any help guys would be appreciated.

-Chris


Modified by nlzmo400r at 1:36 PM 7/11/2008

Yes you will need that sensor on the clutch pedal for the cancel switch - if you would watched my DVD I go over this very clearly - as so many people have the same issues.

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Charlotte/Concord NC
6-4-2006

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (teamSleep240)


Quote, originally posted by teamSleep240 »
I need some help. I am swapping a CA18DET with 5spd into my 93 s13 KA24DE auto. What clutch assembly and parts should I get for this swap? And where can I buy them?

Not sure if the CA uses the same gearbox as the KA? I knwo the SR does.
To be safe just get a clutch kit for the CA.

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6-4-2006

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (paradox80)


Quote, originally posted by paradox80 »
i'm new, but i am using jds swap dvd and WOW! tons of info. step by step. my only thing is the wiring. im stuck on the wiring because i'm electrically retarded. i'm starting to think that i bought the wrong harness. JDS also helps out alot. he's a very knowledgeable guy. thanks again.

Not sur eif you are the guy I have talking to over email? Please send me a email - i will try to help as much as I can.

I just pulled a S13 KA24DE Tranny harness yesterday so I will be more clear on what all is what agin.

joshds25@yahoo.com

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Charlotte/Concord NC
6-4-2006

 « Re: 240sx automatic to manual transmission conversion s13 and s14 (jedis13)


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this right here saved me soo much time during my clutch swap

yes its a great idea - it has actually been around for years - just be very careful to not break or strip out the threads on your flywheel!

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240sx
Bloomington mn
6-7-2008

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I got most of my parts of ebay you just have to be smart which means don't trust anyone they are all just trying to screw you
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