HAWAII - BCS BOUND

[generic808]

So, after all the craziness going on in the world of NCAA football, did anyone stop to notice the University of Hawaii? They're the last remaining unbeaten team in the country. After beating #18 Boise State this past Friday to win the WAC championship, I'm sure they'll jump from #15 into the top #12, making them eligible for a BCS bowl game. Of course, the BCS doesn't like any team from the WAC, although Boise put a spanking on Oklahoma in last years Fiesta Bowl.

When will the Warriors ever get the respect they deserve? With the highest scoring offense in the country, a legitimate Heisman candidate in Colt Brennan (NCAA all time touchdown leader in only 3 seasons), and a top notch defense, what will be the fate of the UH Warriors?

[JimmyMethod]

I would be impressed if they make it to a BCS bowl. They haven't played ANYone. They have a weaker schedule than Boise State did.

And Boise State didn't 'put a spanking on' OK.

When you are playing in the WAC, you're playing against high school teams.

The only ranked team they played was Boise State, and the only ranked team Boise State played was Hawaii

[Bubba1]

I would be impressed if they make it to a BCS bowl. They haven't played ANYone. They have a weaker schedule than Boise State did.

And Boise State didn't 'put a spanking on' OK.

When you are playing in the WAC, you're playing against high school teams.

The only ranked team they played was Boise State, and the only ranked team Boise State played was Hawaii

It's still division 1A football even if they're in a weaker division. The pro leagues are no different. IMHO you have to give Hawaii props for beating every team on their schedule.

[JimmyMethod]

Can't say until after the championships, but I'm still going to guess no.

[Bubba1]

Can't say until after the championships, but I'm still going to guess no.

Sure you can say it, they're WAC champs who ran the table during the regular season. Anything after that is gravy. They absolutely deserve a bowl bid.

[JimmyMethod]

My predictions:

BCS Championship: WVA - MizzouRose: OSU - USCFiesta: Georgia - Kansas (maybe...) Sugar: LSU - OklahomaOrange: VT - Not sure yet, I guess Hawaii.

EDIT: Arizona State lost didn't they... hm.... then if Georgia gets the fiesta bid... that's 2 for the SEC, so maybe Hawaii does have a slot.Granted, the Fiest Bowl is really the only bowl that gives a damn about the mid-majors...
Modified by JimmyMethod at 9:06 AM 11/25/2007

[generic808]

Yes, their schedule was pretty soft with the exception of BSU and WU, but BSU isn't a bad team at all. Last year they beat then #7 ranked Oklahoma in the Fiesta, and you're saying they're a "high school" team?! Uhmm...Okay, if you say so. Like Bubba1 said, they're still a 1A team and so are their opponents. Any team can beat the other team on any given Saturday. Look what happened earlier this year with Michigan and Div 1AA Appalachian St.

All we can do is sit back and wait for the BCS computers and voters to determine the fate of UH. And when all is said and done, if they end up playing and winning a BCS bowl game, are you still going to consider them a "high school" team, or would you actually man up and eat your words? Hmm...that is to be seen.

[JimmyMethod]

Yes, their schedule was pretty soft with the exception of BSU and WU, but BSU isn't a bad team at all. Last year they beat then #7 ranked Oklahoma in the Fiesta, and you're saying they're a "high school" team?! Uhmm...Okay, if you say so. Like Bubba1 said, they're still a 1A team and so are their opponents. Any team can beat the other team on any given Saturday. Look what happened earlier this year with Michigan and Div 1AA Appalachian St.

All we can do is sit back and wait for the BCS computers and voters to determine the fate of UH. And when all is said and done, if they end up playing and winning a BCS bowl game, are you still going to consider them a "high school" team, or would you actually man up and eat your words? Hmm...that is to be seen.

1.) lol at you trying to insult me2.) The WAC isn't a BCS conf. for a reason.3.) Any football team can beat any other football team. No matter how good a team is there's probably a 1/20 chance it will lose to any other team. I'm not saying they'll lose if they DO play in a BCS bowl, I'm just saying no one knows how good they are.We pretty much have NO gauge as to how good the Warriors are. They haven't played anyone.

The athletic director shouldn't have given them such a weak schedule if they really wanted to go the distance. Non conf. games against Big Sky, MWC, an FCS team, and... oooo, Washington, the Pac10 team with a worse record than Stanford, doesn't really scream "I want to compete for one of the top 8 spots in the US for college ball."

[generic808]

I'm not trying to insult you, I was merely asking if UH did get the bid and did happen to win, would you be able to man up and take back your own smack-talking words? Well apparently not, because you seem to get defensive when I ask you a simple question. If you remember what YOU wrote previously, it seems YOU'RE the one insulting a football team, or an entire conference for that matter. If all the teams from the WAC are "high school teams" as you say, how in the world did BIG, BAD #7 OKLAHOMA lose to a "high school" team?! I guess Oklahoma is at the level of the WAC teams also?

And I guess your team, Michigan, is also at the "high school" level. How in the world do they lose to Appalacian Who? Neither the Wolverines, nor the Appalacian Whatevers, are even ranked! I guess you're saying they're at the "high school" level too I think both UH and BSU have better records and are ranked higher than thou mighty, Michigan Wolverines But I wouldn't know for sure because I'm not a football expert or analyst like yourself, I'm just a football fan. But what I do know is that UH and BSU haven't lost to a 1AA team this year, like thou mighty Wolverines did

Well, Mr. Mel Kiper Jr. of NICO, I'm not going to carry on this conversation with you anymore. You go on with your "college" athletic know-all and don't waste your time analyzing "high school" teams; it's a big waste of time you know?

I started this post because I am proud and excited to see a local team do so well this season, against "high school" teams that is. You had to chime in with all this "high school" talk nonsense. Quick question: Have you even played football in your lifetime, at the collegiate level, or even the high school level--and I'm not talking about Pop Warner or flag football in P.E.--or are you one of those couch potato coaches who has the answer to every play in the book, learned from playing Madden of course?

People like you are horrible. You got kids all over the country playing their hearts out every weekend at the top collegiate level, and here you are talking smack about them. Let's see you get on the field and do your thang. I tell you, the speed and intensity of every single 1A team, whether it be WAC, SEC, PAC 10, will amaze you. Do you even participate in any sports whatsoever? By the way, thumb wrestling, along with Madden aren't considered sports. I competed at a professional level and guys like you have no right to sit there behind a computer monitor and judge others. You get out into a ring and see how you fare against even a mediocre professional fighter and see where you stand, or lay on the mat, unconcious of course.

And hey, if UH does make the BCS and happen to win, then I guess all of college football is a big conspiracy because there's no way a "high school" team can beat a team from one of the BIG, BAD conferences!

Well you have yourself a lovely day, and life. See you at the bowl game

[Florida240sx]

lol

[JimmyMethod]

And hey, if UH does make the BCS and happen to win, then I guess all of college football is a big conspiracy because there's no way a "high school" team can beat a team from one of the BIG, BAD conferences!

Did you READ my post?

I said multiple times they could win.Also, I wasn't 'talking smack'. You're taking this WAY to personal. Grow up.

I seriously doubt once Hawaii goes up against a decent secondary that they will continue to be able to throw for 300+ yards per game, and they have barely run the ball this season. They're ranked, what? 100th in rush yards?

I'm really not trying to attack Hawaii, nor am I saying they're not good, I'm just saying they haven't been tested, and the teams that have probably deserve to play in a BCS game more.

And as far as the 'high school' team remarks. Sorry if that touched a nerve, but it's really not an insult. The players are there for a college education, not a lead up to a pro football career. How many WAC players were drafted last year?

Gerald Alexander, Marcus McCauley... I think there were less than 10, and less than that made it past camp. They just aren't football schools. It's not a big deal.

EDIT: 17 WAC players were drafted last year, the most ever in history. With half of them in the 6th-7th round.

As for the App State thing, yup... we lost. Football isn't a sport where X team is better than Y team, so they will always win against them, and if X team is better than Y team and Y team is better than Z team, X is better than Z. That's why Stanford beat USC. That's why Arkansas beat LSU. That's why Illinois beat OSU. We lost to App State because of a number of reasons that I could go into if you want, but I don't think you do. I'm really not upset about it. People who don't know much about football really don't bother me unless I have to over hear them talking in the bar... it kinda makes me twitch.

If you really want to rag on Michigan, bring up the 0-4 record against OSU in the past 4 years. That stings MUCH worse.

[pdonoho]

have you actually watched hawaii play ball or are you just going off some amorphous knowledge based on some biased computer rankings?

this team is playing like the patriots, the recievers are lights out fast with the best hands i've seen in a group of 3 in college ball ever. each of 'em has an nfl career coming up. and colt is accurate as hell, with the ability to read the entire field and make virtually every throw. i'll put this team up against any secondary out there right now, they're playing lights out AND have the grit to win the tough games and/or with a star player hurt or out.

as for running the ball, do you know who June Jones is??? its not even in the offensive philosphy of the team so the ranking is a 'who cares'

basically, if the major bowls snub 'em, its cause they're afraid of being shown up by someone outside the club, just like Boise did to pathetic OK last year

[JimmyMethod]

OK wasn't really 'shown up.' It was a close game.

Yes I know who June Jones is. Yes I know they play run and shoot. What I'm saying is, throwing to recievers who are poorly covered isn't really a difficult task. Hawaii only has one offensive option and when teams have nickel and dimebacks who are better than any corner they've seen, I'm not sure they're going to be able to make the grade.

Also, against a team that can score just as well, or better than Hawaii, not having a running game limits their ability to control the clock.

Another issue is they haven't played in a loud unfriendly stadium. For an audible heavy offense, this might also be a problem.

And yes, I do watch the Warriors... what else am I going to watch at 1 in the morning after all the other games are done?

[generic808]

Well, #10 ranked Hawaii is heading to the Sugar Bowl The only undefeated team this year is set to take on Georgia. I think it'll be a great match up and a great game. Of course, you'll still have the doubters out there who think Georgia will stomp over Hawaii, so we'll just have to wait and see. Colt Brennan will lead the Warriors against the Bulldogs of Georgia on New Years Day.

Colt Brennan is the most prolific passer ever to play Division 1-A! This season he had a 166.3 rating in passing efficiency, 4,174 yards, 38 passing touchdowns, eight rushing touchdowns, and he is personally responsible for 25.1 points per game. He is definitely a legitimate Heisman candidate this year. And I also believe he will be one of the top 3 QBs selected in the draft. He is a pure passer, not a system QB like Timmy Chang was. If you guys get the chance, watch what this kid can do in the Sugar Bowl. June Jones said Colt reminds him of a Dan Marino and Jeff George. Now that's saying something coming from June. The kid had 14,024 yards and 131 TD's in only 3 seasons and he owns over two dozen NCAA passing records!!

GO WARRIORS!!

[Hijacker]

If you really want to rag on Michigan, bring up the 0-4 record against OSU in the past 4 years. That stings MUCH worse.

While I'm not a big Michigan fan, I think it's sad that Carr was pretty much ran out of town over that fact. I honestly believe that even if they had only lost the game to OSU, people would still be out for his head. He always seemed like a good, competent leader. But I rarely watch Michigan games. All I get out here is VT games. Bleg

And I thought the record was 0-5 now. I have it in my head that the last time they beat OSU was in '02. I just keep remembering the 1-6 stat being tossed around.

[JimmyMethod]

He beat OSU in 03. The 1-6 record is against Tressel. He's 6-7 against OSU.

Carr was going to retire before this year started. He worked out 2-year contract extentions for all his assistant coaches, and there were a few other administrative things he's done that, in retrospect, indicated he was going to be leaving, before the season started.

Bill Martin would never have fired Carr. Or asked him to leave. Carr will probably stay here as Assistant AD.

Welp, it looks like we get to have our asses handed to us by Tebow. Hurrah at not playing more football before 2008, though...

[Hijacker]

It's always funny how the news leaves out backstory that actually explains things away.

[generic808]

Welp, it looks like we get to have our asses handed to us by Tebow. Hurrah at not playing more football before 2008, though...

Tebow is a great college QB, and is probably a lock for the Heisman, but do you guys think he is that great? Just wondering because he seems to be a product of a system, not a pure passer. Not trying to be biased, but from a passer's standpoint, Colt is a much more poised, accurate and pure passer than Tebow is. I'm just wondering how Tebow would hold up at the next level. I know Colt, if dropped into an NFL environment, will hold his own, at least from talent, accuracy, and arm strength. But then again, like Jimmy said prior, throwing to receivers who are poorly covered as opposed to an NFL corner, is two totally different things. I just feel that Colt would mesh in better at the next level than Tebow would. Thoughts anyone?

[Hijacker]

Tebow is better than Brennan IMO. He's got pocket presence and can pass in one of the arguably toughest conferences. Passing isn't everything when it comes to being a QB, though.

The little bit of Tebow I've seen, he's shown good command of the field and can read the commotion in front of him well enough to make educated decisions for plays.

Brennan's gotten a lot of media coverage in the past few years, but I always felt it was more to do with his past than with the level of his talent.

[generic808]

Yes, his past did come back to haunt him a bit. But, the kid has developed so much over the past 3 years, into what now, many consider to be one of the better QBs in the country. There are still so many doubters out there; it's been that way for the entire team throughout the season. Come on now, the most prolific passer in college football history, and in just 3 seasons! Just wondering when Colt and Hawaii will actually get the respect they deserve? If they beat Georgia in the Sugar, will they earn that respect? Probably not.

Colt has always a very talented passer, but to see him transform into what he is today, is simply amazing. Of course, he has probably one of the best receiving corps in the country, at least as far as stats are concerned. I think he will develop into a great NFL QB, and my prediction is that Tebow may fade off, like many a Heisman winners and hopefuls in the past.

[Eikon]

Colt Brennan is the most prolific passer ever to play Division 1-A! This season he had a 166.3 rating in passing efficiency, 4,174 yards, 38 passing touchdowns, eight rushing touchdowns, and he is personally responsible for 25.1 points per game. He is definitely a legitimate Heisman candidate this year. And I also believe he will be one of the top 3 QBs selected in the draft. He is a pure passer, not a system QB like Timmy Chang was. If you guys get the chance, watch what this kid can do in the Sugar Bowl. June Jones said Colt reminds him of a Dan Marino and Jeff George. Now that's saying something coming from June. The kid had 14,024 yards and 131 TD's in only 3 seasons and he owns over two dozen NCAA passing records!!

Colt Brennan is def. an incredible Quarterback, and I think he'll make a great professional QB as well.. which is a lot more than I can say about Tebow.

BUT.. the best QB in college football right now is Graham Harrell from Texas Tech. Harrell beat Brennan in yards (5298 to 4174), completion percentage (72.7 to 71.4%), and TD's (45-38). The fact that makes his numbers even more impressive.. . He did it against a schedule of Big 12 opponents rather than WAC opponents.

[generic808]

Graham is a great QB, but the thing holding him out of Heisman contention was the losses. You can't do anything about that. The Heisman doesn't like super-duper good QB's on a team with more than 1 loss. Sad to say.

Well, we'll find out soon enough. My heart is with Colt, but I know the powers that be will never let that happen It's unfortunate that only players from one of the big conferences has a legitimate chance at winning the award. The Heisman is supposed to go to the best player in college football. If you look at how Colt basically carried the team on his shoulders, he's hands down the winner of the award. It doesn't matter how "soft" the schedule is, a win is a win. And that's what Colt is, a winner.

After finding out that the WAC would be naming him offensive player of the year, Brennan asked that the WAC honor the team instead. It did so, creating an “offensive unit of the year” award. Now that's what you call, selfless. Even though Tebow is probably a lock, when all is said and done, Colt will stand with his head high, and graciously congratulate Tebow on the award. He is a true leader, on and off the field. Always acknowledging his teamates and how he could've never done it without them. Now that's what you call class.

COLT FOR HEISMAN!!

[JimmyMethod]

The last thing the NFL needs is more criminal Quarterbacks. Killing dogs is bad, but trying to rape girls...

I really hope the NFL steps in before the draft and declares him ineligible.

Also, his dreadlocks suck. :-p

[generic808]

The last thing the NFL needs is more criminal Quarterbacks. Killing dogs is bad, but trying to rape girls...

I really hope the NFL steps in before the draft and declares him ineligible.

Also, his dreadlocks suck. :-p

Jimmy, still hating I see. I think you've been drinking a little too much Haterade in your diet! Everyone has a past. All allegations of rape aside, Colt is a great QB who will be playing come Suday's. Tebow, on the other hand, may be leading a practice squad and watching from the sideline on God's day.

Are you still set on Hawaii not making a BCS bowl? If so, you're wrong. Sugar Bowl, here we come, baby!!

And are you still doubting Colt's ability as a QB? Hate to burst your bubble, but he'll be in NY this Saturday Suprise surprise!!

I guess when all is said and done, you still can't eat your own words. It takes a man to do that, so I guess you figure out the conclusion to that one And when/if Hawaii does beat Georgia in the Sugar, I know exactly what will come out of your mouth. Uh...Well, they got lucky. Or Georgia is a "high school" team too. Or the refs made bad calls throughout the entire game. People like you have an excuse for everything in the book! So, with that said, we'll just have to wait and see come New Year's day.

BTW where's thou mighty Michigan Wolverines on the map? Did they even rank in the top 50? Are they planning on dropping down to the 1AA with Appalacian Idunno's, or what?

And if you ever make a visit out here, please let me know. I have no animosity toward you, and would love for you to come to one of my training sessions. You'll see how intensely we train and how dedicated we are to our respective sport out here on the islands.

[palika]

Colt Brennan is def. an incredible Quarterback, and I think he'll make a great professional QB as well.. which is a lot more than I can say about Tebow.

BUT.. the best QB in college football right now is Graham Harrell from Texas Tech. Harrell beat Brennan in yards (5298 to 4174), completion percentage (72.7 to 71.4%), and TD's (45-38). The fact that makes his numbers even more impressive.. . He did it against a schedule of Big 12 opponents rather than WAC opponents.

You might want to also take note that Brennan plays an average of less than 3 quarters a game. Tyler Granke has taken over and still produces his fair share of touch downs, and yards.

Hawaii---Georgia....Sugar Bowl......

My money is Hawaii by 3.

But that is just my opinion.

[palika]

You know you gotta give Hawaii props no matter what, on a $50,000 recruiting budget annually, and they don't go state to state to recruit (ie. mostly local talent, and ESPN) they have produced a very respectable team. A team that most PAC 10 and ranked opponents that were invited to play, chose to decline the opportunity. So Hawaii was forced to select weaker teams to fill the schedule.

I was kinda hoping that Hawaii would play Boston College, I think that would have made a exciting game.

[S14-NEO]

well as good a season as hawaii has had they still have yet to really play a high caliber team...get ready hawaii, georgia is going to bring the SEC pain...and oh yeah michigan fans, i feel for ya cause my gators are going to make yall our woopin post..lmao

[JimmyMethod]

Jimmy, still hating I see. I think you've been drinking a little too much Haterade in your diet! Everyone has a past. All allegations of rape aside, Colt is a great QB who will be playing come Suday's. Tebow, on the other hand, may be leading a practice squad and watching from the sideline on God's day.

I have no doubt Tebow will show up late or not at all in the draft in a year or two.I also happen to know that I don't cheer for people who are criminals, no matter how good they are at what they do.Quote »Are you still set on Hawaii not making a BCS bowl? If so, you're wrong. Sugar Bowl, here we come, baby!! [/quote]I never said they wouldn't make one, I said I'd be impressed. The fact that they barely survived the worst team in the PAC10 show's they aren't the 'strong but untested' team many people had hoped for. It showed they're the 'average and untested' team the rest of us had said.

Quote »And are you still doubting Colt's ability as a QB? Hate to burst your bubble, but he'll be in NY this Saturday Suprise surprise!! [/quote]There's no trophy for 5th place...Quote »I guess when all is said and done, you still can't eat your own words. It takes a man to do that, so I guess you figure out the conclusion to that one And when/if Hawaii does beat Georgia in the Sugar, I know exactly what will come out of your mouth. Uh...Well, they got lucky. Or Georgia is a "high school" team too. Or the refs made bad calls throughout the entire game. People like you have an excuse for everything in the book![/quote]See, I don't need to make excuses. I really don't care about Georgia, nor do I care about Hawaii.

If Hawaii wins, I'll be pleasantly surprised. It'd make the SEC look bad, which doesn't bother me in the slightest. However, I'm not going to say Hawaii is in the same class that Georgia is.

Quote »BTW where's thou mighty Michigan Wolverines on the map? Did they even rank in the top 50? Are they planning on dropping down to the 1AA with Appalacian Idunno's, or what? [/quote]We'll be playing on New Year's against a very good Florida team that will probably beat us.See, just because I'm a fan, doesn't mean I'm delusional... Opposed to you.

You're taking this all way too personal, but we all can wait and see what happens. It's the year of the upset, maybe it won't have worn off by the 1st.

[JimmyMethod]

You know you gotta give Hawaii props no matter what, on a $50,000 recruiting budget annually, and they don't go state to state to recruit (ie. mostly local talent, and ESPN) they have produced a very respectable team.

They don't recruit in every state, they just take players from Colorado that get kicked off the team because they tried to rape a girl...

[palika]

You're missin the point; but that's alright.