Your opinion on fitment for my new wheels/tires

[Dori Dori]

I can't find ONE bad review on rotora brakes. I really don't care either way, I just think it's stupid to say they suck without any real reason - especially since you're a mod and people tend to pay closer attention to your posts b/c of that fact. Post one thing that makes them suck. As for your story, none of us have any idea how the rotors were handled or what condition they were in before the event or even if they were in fact Rotora rotors. I hope you're not leaving vital bits of the story out to make for flame bait.

[Dori Dori]

well a lot of times we can't always have "real world evidence" because we cannot afford it. for instance people say spec clutches suck and theres been a number of people having problems.

Then one should STFU and not make ignorant statements.

we don't have the $ to test every clutch spec, act, rps etc etc. so we go by what we hear from our "fellow helpful members" is there a real big problem with that?

No because there are plenty of members using said clutches and real word experiences can be shared.

and lets say with body kits. we hear from some members that ebay kits don't fit right or whatever so we avoid buying it. i don't see the problem without real world evidence as long as its not pulled out of our azzes.

Are you retarded? If there's no real world evidence then they would be pulling opinions out of their "azzes". If they can provide proof or posts then a statement such as "ebay body kits suck" is valid.

i don't think we are required to cite every source we find... at all... this isn't homework. nismofly just said what hes read and although his explanation isn't really explained in detail he made it quick and simple.

He made NO explanation. He made a flat out statement based on, as far as anyone knows, bull sh*t.

i have no real first hand experience with big brake kits and most of you guys don't either we are just barfing out stuff we've read about.../QUOTE]

And you don't see a problem with that? That's called, the blind leading the blind. It's the same reason that to this day retards still think cross-drilled rotors make for greater stopping power.

ap, wilwood, stoptech, brembo, all have r&d and are used heavily in all forms of racing with positive reviews so i don't have any doubts unless i find some bad reviews.

Rotora sponsors race cars...I think that should count for something.

[onosqv]

Helllo! ooooo, i like the rims, I was actually saving up moolah to get those same rims (diff color & offset tho ).

DO NOT PUT over fenders on w/ that setup. I don't care if you bought it already, it's a waste for ur setup.

As a reference on how much you need to pull... on my friend's s13 (which requires more pulling than on an s14), he ran 9.5 +15 (which is 5 mm further out than ur rims), he only need to pull slightly, still looks conservative.

Soooo, since s14 has better clearance, you will probably only need a roll, and the pull probably only resulting from the roll.

The camber you will run will probably be around -2 degrees and should fit fine...

If you wanted to use over fenders, you should have bought much more aggressive offsets... If you realllly wanna use ur overfenders, buy new do luck rims, you can sell your old ones to me :p.

[Juujai]

WAY OFFTOPIC TO ORIGINAL POSTbad day or what? i can care less about rotora or any other manufacturer. you sound like you work for rotora. not talking about your girlfriend or something defending it like your butthole in prison. let it go... chill

statements aren't really ignorant as long as theres reasoning behind it even if its not your own personal real world experience. a friend, a dog, a family member, a forum member whatever as long as theres some logic behind it.

there are a lot of factors... like nismo fly said hes heard stories about rotora being bad and you have that link showing its ____. we should all just STFU then right? since we don't have real world experience with the actual product.

quoting line for line is pretty gay. are you a lawyer or what? no need for nitpicking. thats like trying to say everything i've said is completely invalid when a lot of the things you reply to are similar or just reinforcements as what i've said... whatever though. calm down and chill. get off the rag.

in the end money talks. bs typing doesnt mean much. i'd much rather buy a product thats cheaper and not outsourced with more lemans, gt, nascar r&d over some new stuff thats only tested in little drift events... your choice your money. its product preference.

[TOPSECRT88]

BrokeAs240sx: thanks for the input, if those wheels didn't take so long to get, i would be happy to sell them, and get some w/ negative offsets. But for now i don't want to wait another 6 months lol.

[Dori Dori]

WAY OFFTOPIC TO ORIGINAL POSTbad day or what? i can care less about rotora or any other manufacturer. you sound like you work for rotora. not talking about your girlfriend or something defending it like your butthole in prison. let it go... chill

Had a great day actually, thanks for asking! I said I don't care about Rotora, just want to know what makes them suck - try reading. As for my girlfriend, you can make fun of her...I do.

statements aren't really ignorant as long as theres reasoning behind it even if its not your own personal real world experience. a friend, a dog, a family member, a forum member whatever as long as theres some logic behind it.

And there was NO reasoning behind it hence making the statements ignorant.

there are a lot of factors... like nismo fly said hes heard stories about rotora being bad and you have that link showing its ____. we should all just STFU then right? since we don't have real world experience with the actual product.

That link is somebody else's real world experiences. I'm linking to a story direct from the horse's mouth. If nismofly has really heard of all these bad experiences, why can't he link any of them so people can read what's so bad about them??? I could have said "Rotoras rule b/c I've heard lots of people say so" but that would make me a dumbass.

quoting line for line is pretty gay. are you a lawyer or what? no need for nitpicking. thats like trying to say everything i've said is completely invalid when a lot of the things you reply to are similar or just reinforcements as what i've said... whatever though. calm down and chill. get off the rag.

Responding all over the place with pointless crap warrants line for line quoting. I can promise you I'm far from homosexual though, I'm 100% relaxed, and have yet to have a menstrual cycle (but I am waiting!!! *joy).

in the end money talks. bs typing doesnt mean much. i'd much rather buy a product thats cheaper and not outsourced with more lemans, gt, nascar r&d over some new stuff thats only tested in little drift events... your choice your money. its product preference.

I wouldn't buy any of them since Z32 brakes are more than enough on street tires. What makes you think Rotora outsources parts though? According to their site, everything they make is in house and they produced OEM products since the 80's. There may be GT cars using Rotora brakes...do you know for sure? Nascar = fail. LeMans = carbon fiber galore braking components so comparing them to street brakes = fail.

[nismofly]

the reasoning behind it is i dont like seeing people pay money for questionable parts, whether or not they still buy them is up to them, they dont have to listen to me, last time i checked it doesnt say that anywhere

so my real world experience doesnt count but that one does? ok.....

heres just a few examples of quick statements, if you must:

rotora brakes are pretty crappy, i would suggest wilwood, alcon, apracing/brembo. i guess stop tech if you can find them cheap

I'm a big fan of AP racing brake systems...never failed anyone I know. The brembo GT brake systems are also unholly bad-***.

Rotora is nice, but...meh...I'm unimpressed with them overall.

-Chet

Quality is hard to measure visually as there are so many different low cost grades of cast iron. You have to measure the ratio of solid metal to air space in vented rotors plus xray the unit to see the quanity and shape of the internal curved spiral vents [vane structure].http://www.advancedcooling.com/caststeel.html

"Discs should have curved vans and both greater thermal storage capacity and better airflow characteristics than OEM - otherwise you will not have achieved anything worthwhile. Depend on actual test results, not advertising claims. Discs should be mill balanced to less than 0.75 ounce-inch (54 g-cm), run out should be less than 0.002" (0.051 mm) and thickness variation should be less than 0.0007" (0.018 mm). On race applications these tolerance are typically reduced to .25 ounce-inch, 0.0005" and 0.0001" respectively"http://www.stoptech.com/whitep...1.htm

!!!!!!!!!!!It appears as thes disc are very low quality as their mill balancing specs are 3 TIMES worse than oem [54g/cm] minimums and almost 10 times worse than the absolute best quality available.

People use printed specs when they know the buying public is ignorant of the facts.

Interesting they charge a lot and are the rave of Honda owners shows few know about rotorshttp://www.autocarparts.com/part/1233/43

http://www.balancetechnology.c....html

ive seen more, that was just 30 seconds of searching on here

also, ive yet to see rotora used in any series that uses steel brakes, the GT classes at le mans, super gt (jgtc), world challenge, rolex, grand am cup....nothing

As for your story, none of us have any idea how the rotors were handled or what condition they were in before the event or even if they were in fact Rotora rotors. I hope you're not leaving vital bits of the story out to make for flame bait.

now why the **** would i do that?

i already said they were in good condition, if i had known they would cause chaos maybe i wouldve taken 400 pictures for everyone to analyze

thats just one first person experience as well, i know people that have similar

im sorry if some of my info doesnt comes from people at the track and not the internet, but frankly i dont see how that ruins the credibility

like ive said already, its not my decision, but i personally would *never* choose something i have heard questionable opinions/experiences about, versus something thats been used in many different forms and all ive heard is praise, never problems

[TOPSECRT88]

btw, my wheels will clear my coilovers right? Would it be stupid if i ran a small spacer for a more aggressive stance w/o the overfenders?

Thanks, p.s. the coilovers are Buddy Club

[j-z]

heres a reasonable brake suggestioin. why not go with z32 calipers, 350z rotor caliper adapters, and run some aftermarket two piece 350z rotors. id paint the calipers pearl white to match your car and theyd bling behind those nice azz wheels youve got. you could do that whole brake setup for about $500 with rebuilt calipers from the parts store. since youre not really going all out track, and just one more of a driver car thatd more than suffice for what youre looking for along with looking good. .fuk mcrussell! hes a big fag thats just trying to act hard like he knows everything and has done everything. have you seen his shlt bucket LOL??? fuking poser you need to shut your mouth.

[TOPSECRT88]

heres a reasonable brake suggestioin. why not go with z32 calipers, 350z rotor caliper adapters, and run some aftermarket two piece 350z rotors. id paint the calipers pearl white to match your car and theyd bling behind those nice azz wheels youve got. you could do that whole brake setup for about $500 with rebuilt calipers from the parts store. since youre not really going all out track, and just one more of a driver car thatd more than suffice for what youre looking for along with looking good. .fuk mcrussell! hes a big fag thats just trying to act hard like he knows everything and has done everything. have you seen his shlt bucket LOL??? fuking poser you need to shut your mouth.

I may just do a set up like that. Although i just wanted some big 6 piston bling bling

lol and yes, i have seen his car, i guess everyone can't have good taste...

p.s. about the color, the car will be painted silver soon and fitted w/ Origin Lab aero, just looking for the right silver.
Modified by TOPSECRT88 at 11:24 AM 5/20/2006

[TOPSECRT88]

btw i am seeing something about "bolt on" spacers and how they are safe and different from "sandwich" spacers, how are they different? I am seeing guys saying that 25mm bolt on spacer is good. If i got those could i run my fenders and still have that flush look?

[Dori Dori]

the reasoning behind it is i dont like seeing people pay money for questionable parts, whether or not they still buy them is up to them, they dont have to listen to me, last time i checked it doesnt say that anywhere

so my real world experience doesnt count but that one does? ok.....

heres just a few examples of quick statements, if you must:

ive seen more, that was just 30 seconds of searching on here

also, ive yet to see rotora used in any series that uses steel brakes, the GT classes at le mans, super gt (jgtc), world challenge, rolex, grand am cup....nothing

now why the **** would i do that?

i already said they were in good condition, if i had known they would cause chaos maybe i wouldve taken 400 pictures for everyone to analyze

thats just one first person experience as well, i know people that have similar

im sorry if some of my info doesnt comes from people at the track and not the internet, but frankly i dont see how that ruins the credibility

like ive said already, its not my decision, but i personally would *never* choose something i have heard questionable opinions/experiences about, versus something thats been used in many different forms and all ive heard is praise, never problems

Since I have no idea what q45tech's are in reference to, I can't comment on that, but every other comments is...dun duh duh daaah...hearsay and speculation!

As for the flame bait comment, I made it b/c you post like you have some hard core facts proving that a set of brakes are crap but back it up by saying you've read on forums that they are crap. Well that's a stupid point and to be honest, I thought better.

And as for your buddy with the FD, the bottom line is you have no idea how the rotors were handled, if they were rotora rotors, how many track days they've seen...anything. I know guys that took perfectly good rotors, got em cryo'd, and ruined them in 20mins. I've seen brand new 911's eat through rotors like they were nothing. I've seen a lot of things. Does seeing one incident mean all those things I've seen are crap? No, it doesn't. If that were the case, sell your Nissan because they're crap, don't EVER fly b/c planes are crap...

[TOPSECRT88]

My thoughts exactly about the arguing.

Yea, i may be staying away from the Rotoras.

Thanks for the help polor

[polorbear206]

no problem...

VERRRRRY Nice car btw

woops deleted my last post when i went to save it

[redears240]

i second that about the guy suggesting to burn your wheels.

he is gay, dont listen to ppl. like that.