You guys ever ran into srt-4's on the road?

[9240sx]

How are all your KA's keeping up with SRT-4's???Back when i had my KA i would of never kept up that well.And i had alot of mods.

[GrilledCheese33]

How are all your KA's keeping up with SRT-4's???Back when i had my KA i would of never kept up that well.And i had alot of mods.

Its all the driver, and a 5 speed is a must

[98s14inaz]

why **** on srt4?

isn't it 210hp for less than 20k?

what doe this neon is a neon mean? it's 60 advertised hp faster than the ka

rwd isn't everything, you know....

1000$ for injectors, safc, tuning, boost controller and you can proabably get it over 250hp easily

Lets check your math...

$20k srt neon + $1000 worth of parts = $21K faster srt neon 250whp

$4k s14 ka24de powered + $6k worth of parts (turbo, wheels, brakes, ecu, injectors, mafs, ebc, exhaust, suspension, etc) = $10k fast as hell ka-t 250whp at least.

A neon is just a neon, except when you pay $20k for it then it is just a neon with a car payment. Don't get me wrong, Dodge building that car was the best thing to happen to the sport compact market. It may wake up some of the other manufactures *cough* nissan *cough* *cough* to start making fast cheap cars. You just won't see me driving anything with 4 doors until I have kids lol

[nismodave]

Lets check your math...

$20k srt neon + $1000 worth of parts = $21K faster srt neon 250whp

$4k s14 ka24de powered + $6k worth of parts (turbo, wheels, brakes, ecu, injectors, mafs, ebc, exhaust, suspension, etc) = $10k fast as hell ka-t 250whp at least.

A neon is just a neon, except when you pay $20k for it then it is just a neon with a car payment. Don't get me wrong, Dodge building that car was the best thing to happen to the sport compact market. It may wake up some of the other manufactures *cough* nissan *cough* *cough* to start making fast cheap cars. You just won't see me driving anything with 4 doors until I have kids lol

[240SXer]

They're quick but a FWD car will never be what a RWD car is. I smoke all the SRT-4s i've ever encountered. Some pretty damn modded. They're decent on slicks because they actually have torque. But after around 400whp they can't really go well.

[Fenvy]

Lets check your math...

$20k srt neon + $1000 worth of parts = $21K faster srt neon 250whp

$4k s14 ka24de powered + $6k worth of parts (turbo, wheels, brakes, ecu, injectors, mafs, ebc, exhaust, suspension, etc) = $10k fast as hell ka-t 250whp at least.

A neon is just a neon, except when you pay $20k for it then it is just a neon with a car payment. Don't get me wrong, Dodge building that car was the best thing to happen to the sport compact market. It may wake up some of the other manufactures *cough* nissan *cough* *cough* to start making fast cheap cars. You just won't see me driving anything with 4 doors until I have kids lol

you forgot one important factor: most ka are over 150k miles. 20k for a neon is like 0 miles

if everyone is to rebuild old engines then there will be no market for new cars

you can't compare new car to a 15 year old car with 150k on the engine. it's like comparing apple to banana

rwd isn't as godly as you might think. I drive one but I am sick of people treating it like a pu ssy or something.

[240SXer]

FWD is crap. I drag race. Whenver I see a FWD car I know it's going to be slow unless it's on a slick. That's just how it is. FWD = Sucks

[Fenvy]

why don't you elaborate how ****ty fwd is and how godly rwd is?

and please do not say rwd can drift

[240SXer]

RWD hooks up. FWD does not. It's not very hard. Do you know what happens when a car accelerates?

The back end dips down because of the forward motion of the car. The weight of the car is transfered to the BACK of the car. What tires are propeling the car? The front. Therefore there is a LOT less weight on the front tires therefore it does not get traction. With RWD you get MORE weight on the back tires which helps it even more. This is simple physics and you can't change it. You can setup FWD suspension to not transfer weight to the rear as bad, but it will still be crappy.

You're in Cali right? I'd be glad to show you what a RWD car on street tires will do to ANY FWD car also on street tires. My car does not even have a lot of power either. I'm on stock turbos.

[Fenvy]

RWD hooks up. FWD does not. It's not very hard. Do you know what happens when a car accelerates?

The back end dips down because of the forward motion of the car. The weight of the car is transfered to the BACK of the car. What tires are propeling the car? The front. Therefore there is a LOT less weight on the front tires therefore it does not get traction. With RWD you get MORE weight on the back tires which helps it even more. This is simple physics and you can't change it. You can setup FWD suspension to not transfer weight to the rear as bad, but it will still be crappy.

You're in Cali right? I'd be glad to show you what a RWD car on street tires will do to ANY FWD car also on street tires. My car does not even have a lot of power either. I'm on stock turbos.

what's hook up? do you mean what you said about rear end sinking?

do you have t25 or gt2540r? your signature confuses me

I think our car is about the same in terms of power. I have beaten my share of fwd but that doens't mean they suck. It's just due to power difference.

you already stated advantage of rwd and disadvantage of fwd so I won't go there

fwd: it is easier to get power from engine to driving wheels since they're on the same end of the car. A shorter driveshaft, lesser moving parts and lesser distance so horsepower loss is minimal due to mechanical inefficiency. Since the weight of the engine is directly over the driven wheels, it can increase traction over slippery surface.

rwd requires not only a long driveshaft but also a differential that result in greater drivetrain loss. rwd is generally easier to lose control

there are a lot of fast rwd but here are also plenty of fast fwd, just look over on honda-tech.

Was it not cheese boy who beat a 10 second viper with a 92-95 civic hatch?

Both fwd/rwd can achieve power/traction when modded. Both sides has advantage and disadvantage over others. I don't think fwd is as bad as you think.

integra type r, ep3 civic si, rsx type s are pretty good fwd (with the intention to race them) from what I can see.

[240SXer]

I've got a 2JZ I don't have the SR at all anymore. I had a GT2540R on the SR I used to have. Now I’m on stock twins. But ya, I’ve got a Turbo supra engine with an automatic transmission. I know just a wee bit about drag racing.

Hook up is when the tires are not spinning. When a car is "hooking" the car has traction. The rear of the car dips back when a car accelerates. You clearly don't know a whole lot about drag racing. Ever see a prostock car with a wheelie bar? How about without one, notice the front tires are completely in the air. That's because so much weight has gone to the back that it actually picks up the front of the car.

When you see a FWD car with a "wheelie bar" it's actually not a wheelie bar. It's a dampening bar to try to prevent the car from transferring weight to the back, and to keep max weight over the front tires.

It's not always about power. Traction is just as important, and often a lot more important. It's not about power. Ever see a 11 or 12 second Honda on street tires? It's not funny. The Honda just spins and spins and will end up running a 14 or something slow like that. The power is important, but it's even more important to get the power to the ground. Power without traction is pointless unless you just like doing burnouts while the other guy in the RWD car is down the street. I've raced plenty of FWD cars with much more power than mine and won because I get better traction then they.

Ever play GT4? Buy a FWD car, then a RWD car with the same power same weight. Race them both, the FWD will be a LOT slower in the 400m because it won't get traction.

Yes, FWD does get more power to the wheels. Like I said, It's easier to make power than traction so it does not really matter how much power you get if you can't use it.

You're right though, if you want a car that'll go good in the rain or snow FWD is better. But if you're talking about a car that you want to go fast FWD sucks.

I hate how people throw up that Cheesefrog video of him racing the 10 second Viper. If you remember on the video they raced from a roll. Meaning they weren’t stopped. If they would have been racing from a "dig" or dead stop the Viper would have Handed Mr cheesefrog his ***. If you even watch the video you'll hear the guy in the viper say: "I'd have to go down low to get him" then his friend in the passenger seats says "He can't go down low he's FWD he'll spin his *** off" watch the video again.

Tell me one advantage a FWD car has over a RWD in any aspect of racing. I'm not talking about a grocery getter I’m talking about an actual advantage in any aspect of racing. Not picking up kids from a soccer field.

[240SXer]

Why are no REAL sports cars FWD? Think about it. RSX is NOT a REAL sports car Btw. Nor is the Type R or any of those cars. Also, why is the most Powerful FWD car you can get a Cadilac sedan?

[PantherRacer]

I was always under the impression that the Integra Type R was in fact a real sports car due to it's success in many japanese races, and street races. And then again, we must bring up the fact that drag racing isn't everything, it's just really easy. Granted, as the power increases it becomes harder to control the car and keep it straight, but try to hold that same amount of power on a race track without going off the road.

And what is your formula for a real sports car? I'm guessing that "not fwd" is on ur list

[240SXer]

I guess I don't consiter it a "real" sports car if it's chassis just came from a regular ol integra which is just a sport compact economy car.

You can't take a civic and put a buch of Mods on it and call it a sports car. It is what it is. Sporty yes. Sports no.

No, drag racing isnt everything. Luckly RWD's dominance isnt only with Drag racing. Call it easy all you want. People who say that tend to have slow cars

[SmithSR]

And what is your formula for a real sports car? I'm guessing that "not fwd" is on ur list

from Sir Jackie Stewart, on the definition of a proper sports car:

"two wheels for propulsion, and two for steering."

[98s14inaz]

you forgot one important factor: most ka are over 150k miles. 20k for a neon is like 0 miles

if everyone is to rebuild old engines then there will be no market for new cars

you can't compare new car to a 15 year old car with 150k on the engine. it's like comparing apple to banana

rwd isn't as godly as you might think. I drive one but I am sick of people treating it like a pu ssy or something.

Are you sure about that buddy? First off your math is wrong again...I said s14...10 yr old car. Second of all it is a well known fact that the KA24de or even the ka24e will last well over 150k if properly maintained...i'd like to see a neon do that.

When did I say the 240 was godly? I just said dollar to dollar it is better. I could give two $hits about drifting. You don't have to rebuild the ka to boost it, just don't ghetto rig stuff. Not to mention finding another ka is easy as hell because the sr guys just throw them away. I would take my s14 ka-t any day of the week over just about anything in the sub $20k catagory.

[240SXer]

Yeah, lol. Can you imagine somone putting the Integra TypeR in the same class as a Porsche or a Corvette, viper, NSX, etc. lol...

[adrianfromthecastle]

i dont know to much about the neons, but i know they are quick for an affordable price. But it aint JDM, so its not of my interest. Regardless if it's motor is quicker than a stock KA (which of course is true), i'd still go for a s14 over a neon any day, c'mon man.. it's a neon!?

[duff]

the car is decent, but has anyone noticed how most of the people who drive them are ***holes and think the car is perfect? well at least that's how it is in IL

[97ka-t]

Same in NC

[240SXer]

Same in Ca

[NIGHTfall_240sx]

slightly?? your joking right?

PIC PIC

..yes but look at the 240 and the silvia.... not the same car

[Red coupe]

wow this thread sucks....Lets not be so ignorant as to just straight out say "FWD is worse" Ive seen plenty of racing FWD cars be plenty fast....Touring car series often have both set ups thrown in together and do just fine being competitive. I don't like FWD but in the real world car set up > what wheels make it accelerate...All things being equal chassy wise a RWD car will flex more due to it being pushed rather then pulled.This means that they require more bracing, and more weight...you may loose some traction due to turning and acceleration being on the same tires but you also can generally have a much lighter car.A car is mealy the sum of its parts, more goes into deciding if a car will handle well then weather or not it has a drive shaft.

[tom1986ca]

youre right about the neon being a good bang for the buck, but its ugly as a vw bug, id much rather have a cool looking car and soup it up myself. o and by the way, i had a hard time deciding in the sti or 240 when i was shopping, i ended up choosing the 240 but i totally respect the sti. its my favorite sounding car in the world i think aside from being a hardcore nissan fan, subarus are my other favorite car.

[98s14inaz]

wow this thread sucks....Lets not be so ignorant as to just straight out say "FWD is worse" Ive seen plenty of racing FWD cars be plenty fast....Touring car series often have both set ups thrown in together and do just fine being competitive. I don't like FWD but in the real world car set up > what wheels make it accelerate...All things being equal chassy wise a RWD car will flex more due to it being pushed rather then pulled.This means that they require more bracing, and more weight...you may loose some traction due to turning and acceleration being on the same tires but you also can generally have a much lighter car.A car is mealy the sum of its parts, more goes into deciding if a car will handle well then weather or not it has a drive shaft.

FWD cars were originally produced because they were cheaper to manufacture, not because of performance gains. No one is insulting the neon, I for one like the srt4. I do however like my 240 better.

[jessetang]

One night at around 1 I was going home on a local street. I was messing with my brother's Mazda Millenia for a traffic light start, taking my 89 240sx to about 40mph (155k, right front crack by my friend sold this car for me at 200USd, complete stock beside a momo steering wheel and razo pedals). Then I saw a Mazda MX-6 (do not know if he put anything in it, but saw some 16' rims and Alum exhaust) ran next to me until the stop light. I took off and killed him three times (bad luck that day with three red lights in a roll). By the time he caught up, I was home already (live three blocks away from the road.

[Rod Slider]

OoOoOoOoOo....street racing is a no-no...lolFWD's sole purpose was for there economical production values (aka cheap to make), plus the lighter weight means that the cars could be propelled with smaller weaker motors thus saving more money. But anyone can make the best of what they have, FWD or RWD.