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Looking into upgradeing the processor on the dell , it currently has a 1.1 celeron with a PGA370 something on it (i think its the number of pins on its arse ) anyway a buddy told me that theres probably a beatter processor out there for it but also thinks that i was left alone to buy one i could get one that was so powerful it would toast my mother board ..so....

How do i find out how much my motherboard will take? is there anyway to tell? im figureing this is like engines and crankshafts , its pretty much known that a SR20 with 140hp has a crank that can withstand 500 hp , thinking the same is true with motherboards , maybe there overbuilt so i can give it a 2.0ghz shot of intel nawsssss?

the vtec stickers arent makeing it burn my CDs any faster


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Kind of like trying to get 500hp from an air cooled beetle. The Dell (and most other manufacturers) tend to be proprietary so they can cut corners and sell to dumb consumers cheap. If you can figure out which board they based it on, you may well find your power supply is not adequate, your graphics card is crippled compared to the retail version, your bus system does not support the fastest hard drives, etc.

My advice is spend some time at Anandtech and Tom's Hardware Guide, then white box it. Rolling your own is the way to go, rather than trying to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, or a VW beetle into a Lamborghini.

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Stoneage,

What's the model number on your Dell? Was it custom-built or did you buy a standard model? Let me know and I'll get you all the info you need. By the way, I"m a major computer nerd :)

Nick

P.S. I have found the NOS is the answer for fast CD burning. :)

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not sure if it was custom , got it after its first owner unboxed it and decided he didnt want it

its a dell optiplex Gx50 service tag 56rp411

im thinking of building my own , esp since its onboard soundcard failed and i had to put one in one of the 2 slots for cards

thanks blue , the people here in alaska arent much help and i was unsure of what hardware stores online to trust

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Stoneage,

Bad news buddy. Looks like your computer runs on a 100MHz front-side bus which was what I expected when you said Celeron processor. That means the fastest processor you could get for your computer would be a 1.3GHz but you honestly wouldn't notice a different since the bus speed is the same. :(

Looks like if you really want a faster computer you need a whole new system. I would recommend building your own as it is so much cheaper and you would be using brand-name parts, plus you know exactly what's been done to it. Same theory behind DIY mechanics here.

If you need any help on pricing, type of system or instructions on building or anything at all let me know.

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newegg.com will be your friend if you build your own box. I wouldn't shop anywhere else.

Too bad you can't OC those Dell FSB's. Then you could run anything from the Celeron/P3 S370 family.

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hmm well i guess the dell is done then

been looking at collage , looks like ill need a laptop , to bad i can build one of those , gives me a idea on what to look for tho

anyway thanks for the help guys

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Unless you REALLY think that you are going to need the mobility of a laptop (i.e. taking it to class, etc) then I would suggest getting a desktop for three reasons:

1) You can build your own. Newegg.com is the best place for parts by the way.

2) It is sooooo much cheaper than a laptop with comparable specs.

3) Laptops are way too expensive to fix. Example: the cheapest 15" screen i've ever seen fixed cost $800 and that was cuz the guy new some people at Hewlett-Packard who got him a sweet deal. Hard drives vary from 180-450 dollars and if the processor overheats then buy a new laptop.

IF you decide a laptop is what you want, buy the best possible warranty you can get.

Nick

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good points , the class ill be trying to take at the univerity of florida says i need a laptop for feild studys or something . ill keep my dell for the other stuff untill it blows up , then ill go and do a home built unit ....is a dell laptop any good ? this dell desktop has been great so far when it comes to stuff breaking , damn near toyota truck relaiblity

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http://www.pricewatch.com if u wanna build it yourself and its your first time just go with a bare bone system.. u can take most the parts out of your dell and use it in the new system (hard drive, soundcard (if its not built on) nic card, modem.. and so on) computers are really easy to build.. all plug and pray.. if u need any softwear u know how to get ahold of me, also if u come back to florida i can build u one at cost when u come down..

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Try this link if you would like to do something more with the Dell.

http://www.powerleap.com/Products/Ren370S.htm

look around the website it may give you what you need.

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Do NOT go the powerleap route. That is crap. First off, the computer is still limited by the components used on the original motherboard, second the highest it can go is a 133 FSB which won't be a noticeable difference for you and even if it were it'd be too slow in a year, third the price on it is more than buying a nice motherboard with a P4. Pricewatch.com is the way to go.

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Stonage you cannot upgrade your processor in your dell to anything other than a higher celeron(and not much higher at that) we use differant motherboards for celeron and P3 or P4. I don't like it but thats why I have never used my employee discount in the 3yr. I've worked there.

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I would avoid the intel processors, get a AMD, I was reading a article lately about the development of both and the AMD pulls ahead in the tests even though the P4 is rated at a much faster speed. It is because of the "pipelines" in the processor that cause the 1.25 GHz Power PC G4(motorla) chip to be compertitive with the 2.5 P4.

The pipelines are the parth that data goes through while being processed by the comp. Longer pipelines are more open to hazard.

Quoted from some article that I was sent.

"Modern-day processors try to predict the next move of the applications and have gotten very good at doing so. However mispredicting the next move, while not common, does happen roughly 10 percent of the time."

"Chips typically realize their mistakes during the last quartar of the pipeline, so the longer the pipeline the longer it takes to flush the message from the pipeline and fix the problem. As a result, performance suffers."

AMD uses a 10 stage pipeline, compared to Intel's 20 stage. Motorla uses a 7 stage. AMD chips are usually cheaper :D

If you want a low end computer for budget for computers that will go through the web, play some games and do other basic useful things, the celeron(intel) will be good or the duron(amd). Iam currently using a celeron, it does decent. I plan to build me a new computer after I finish rebuilding my car, I want to use a athlon chip. I hope that info helps some, I will also need to find out the name of this magazine(I dont think its PC world) because they seem to be very, very intellgent and informative.

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AMD's are the best processors out there. Gettin ready to build a new computer with and Athlon XP 2600+ Processor and the new Giga-byte GX-7VAXP Ultra Motherboard. Check it out.

Nick :)


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