yet another example of Ignorance peddling in US Media

[PalmerWMD]

Sometimes we see this from the left sometimes from the right.

Opinion makers seem to count on the lack of analytical skills among americans.
Here is today's example.

In this article, this internet magazine populated by (among other things) anti immigration activists published the following article.
http://theweek.com/article/index/211...-in-18-seconds the author describes how "a filmmaker Challenges" 2 young women to scale the fence.

A clip is provided and much is made of the fact that they can do it in less than 18 seconds

They then spend a lot of time talking about how easy it was for them and therefore the fence is uselss and imply we shouldnt build it at all.

Ok lets think about this:

-These 2 women were very fit and had clearly practiced previously .
The article claims it was their first try, but I think maybe it was their first try "that day".
activists rarely let a chance to add a little extra spin pass by.

-Much is made about the fact that they could do it in less than 18 seconds..

Do this I reply:

- 18 seconds is a looong time to sillouhette yourself on top of an open fence while fearing oberservation.

- Large groups: most of these crossings are performed by larger groups up 50 indivuduals, if everyone exposes themsleves for 18 seconds this will result in many MINUTES of exposure,making detection even in our porous borders a much better likelihood.

- Also not everyone will be able to do the fence in 18 seconds. if these girls want to try it while being 5'1 tall and with a backback on their backs and at child on one arm I would ike to see them do it then.

-Also drug smugglers carry backbacks up to 150 lbs of dope roped in a bale(I have personally seen it). trust me they do not want to risk tearing that cargo and 150lbs even for those in shape guys is not a trivial load.

So anyone who spends even a few seconds thinking about this can make this analysis.
The makers of the film and the article obviously spent a lot longer thinking on the subject and must be well aware of the above points as well.

So why do they persist when they know the core of their argument is absurd?

It's called activism. manipulate the majority to act against it's interests by any means neccessary including disinformation.

And that article is a classic example of deliberate disinformation

PS: If the fence really <was> useless these people wouldn't be agitaing against it

[PalmerWMD]

This reminds me of an experience I had back when I grew up in Europe:

Some of us kids would climb on the roof of the local subway station (which was above ground there) just for fun.
It also covered the local strip mall which was integrated into the station and when we were bored we thought it was cool.

Well one day I reach onto that ledge we always used to pull ouselves up on and my hands came back all bloody and cut to shreds.

Apparently the local station caretaker had been tired of punk kids climbing on his roof breaking the rules, so he did something about it and affixed glass shards on the ledge where the kids would pull themself up onto the roof.

Neither me nor my parents would even think about complainig about it ,since I was obviously doing something I wasnt supposed to be doing and anything that happend to me from that, was on me ( still had the scars for some years)

So of course me and the other punk kids stopped climbing on the roof.

Now when someone performs a much greater "rules violation" than just climbing a roof, but let's say entering a country illegally maybe we can spend the pennies per foot and coat the fence in glass shards?

No one would even try to climb it anymore, even with good gloves on it would be much too risky...

But something tells me that the activists who wrote the previous article about the "lack of effectiveness" of the fence will not be onboard with this suggestion either, even though it would 100% address their complaint about the fnece's supposed ineffectiveness..

[dusred]

Ok lets think about this:

-These 2 women were very fit and had clearly practiced previously .
The article claims it was their first try, but I think maybe it was their first try "that day".
activists rarely let a chance to add a little extra spin pass by.

-Much is made about the fact that they could do it in less than 18 seconds..

So what. Mexicans are tough too and could probably do it in 10. Just sayin. . .

- Also not everyone will be able to do the fence in 18 seconds. if these girls want to try it while being 5'1 tall and with a backback on their backs and at child on one arm I would ike to see them do it then.

A baby could easily be squeezed through the bars.

-Also drug smugglers carry backbacks up to 150 lbs of dope roped in a bale(I have personally seen it). trust me they do not want to risk tearing that cargo and 150lbs even for those in shape guys is not a trivial load.

Again, problem solved when the smugglers carry a bale or bag that can be squeezed through the bars.

It's called activism. manipulate the majority to act against it's interests by any means neccessary including disinformation.

And that article is a classic example of deliberate disinformation

I agree. These activists were out to prove a point and they proved it (even if they did it in a deceptive way). That doesn't change the fact that that fence is worthless for keeping illegals out of the country. Necessity is the mother of invention. I'll bet if my life depended on it I could devise a system that would get me and my family over that fence in 5 seconds. Seriously.

This reminds me of an experience I had back when I grew up in Europe:

for fun. . . .

So of course me and the other punk kids stopped climbing on the roof.

You weren't climbing on that roof to make $1,000,000 on drugs.

Now when someone performs a much greater "rules violation" than just climbing a roof, but let's say entering a country illegally maybe we can spend the pennies per foot and coat the fence in glass shards?

Bingo. We need a double fence similar to the one between north and south korea (okay that was a stretch but you get the point). Nobody would think about thinking about climbing over it. Sure, there are some who have still overcome it and got over.

No one would even try to climb it anymore, even with good gloves on it would be much too risky...

Bingo. This is what I was saying above.

But something tells me that the activists who wrote the previous article about the "lack of effectiveness" of the fence will not be onboard with this suggestion either, even though it would 100% address their complaint about the fnece's supposed ineffectiveness..

Probably right.

I hope you're not getting the wrong impression - the fence is better than no fence at all but it's still quite ineffective. Sure, those who are absolutely determined to get over will still get over it so you draw the line at a happy medium. How about a solid concrete fence that's 14 feet tall with spikes and electric razer wire on top? Expensive? Yes, but do it once and do it right. Sure, some would probably still get over. How about an unmanned drone to constantly patrol the area?