Y33 cut stock coil spring?

[bullittandy]

Has anyone cut the stock front coil on a Y33? Those 2" drops with the aftermarket would be too much for me. I had my front suspension apart and it seems like it would be possible. Is the stock spring progressive on the top and bottom? I mean the bottom coil would the side to cut-how much of an spring rate increase would that be? How much to cut for a 1" drop?I know this is NOT recomended but I heard the same thing on my 55 Chevy and it rode BETTER with cut front coils.

P.S.If anyone has a set of stock front springs that they will sell me cheap I'd be much more willing to experiment.

[CrimsonQ]

Have fun

[maxnix]

Nothing like meaningless anecdote triumphing over real world engineering.

Seems like it would be intuitively obvious that a shorter spring with consequently less suspension travel would require a higher spring rate.

Have a ball.

[bullittandy]

Nothing like meaningless anecdote triumphing over real world engineering.

Seems like it would be intuitively obvious that a shorter spring with consequently less suspension travel would require a higher spring rate.

Have a ball.

What does this post mean? If I'm accurate and the tone is derisive then your reading comprehension is limited. Me cutting the coil spring of another car IS real world engineering.It IS obvious that the spring rate is increased--I didn't ask that. I asked HOW MUCH of an increase?

[Q45tech]

http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_menu.shtml

You will find what you need to calculate here

[mcrews]

What does this post mean? If I'm accurate and the tone is derisive then your reading comprehension is limited. Me cutting the coil spring of another car IS real world engineering.It IS obvious that the spring rate is increased--I didn't ask that. I asked HOW MUCH of an increase?

Your impression is correct. Brian likes to write meaningless sentences that are of no assistance and tends to turn people off. Several days ago, he stated a newbie had limited grammar, for starters, and proceeded to refer to him as an idiot. He was asked by two members to refrain or leave. Obviously he did neither.

Mark John Crews

[BadQ45t]

Either do the 2" drop or leave it, cutting is not going to yield any good results. The 2" grows on you....but spend the money on the KYB SR Specials, in hindsight I would have considered just doing those without the drop to keep my car at stock height....naaaaa, but seriously those shocks will give you so much of an improvement that would satisfy you.

[superuber]

Your impression is correct. Brian likes to write meaningless sentences that are of no assistance and tends to turn people off. Several days ago, he stated a newbie had limited grammar, for starters, and proceeded to refer to him as an idiot. He was asked by two members to refrain or leave. Obviously he did neither.

Mark John Crews

ouch!!!!!!!!!!!



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[bullittandy]

Your impression is correct. Brian likes to write meaningless sentences that are of no assistance and tends to turn people off. Several days ago, he stated a newbie had limited grammar, for starters, and proceeded to refer to him as an idiot. He was asked by two members to refrain or leave. Obviously he did neither.

Mark John Crews

Is it a game, a way to be provocative for fun? Or is it just hateful? It would be nice to know because it changes the tone of his posts dramatically.

[qsiguy]

Back on subject.... ..... If you are prepared to replace your springs in the event cutting doesn't work out, why not save the trouble and just take the torch to them? I've done that on an old Chevy truck to lower it and never had any trouble with broken springs or anything and it rode quite nice for a lowerd truck.

I'll probably get lynched for bringing it up but it can be done safely if you're carefull and take it slow and if you are ready to risk messing up your springs anyway, why not? Also, if you are prepared to cut your springs, you aren't likely super concerned with the performance aspect of it, mainly the cosmetics.

Ok, I've braced myself. I'm ready for the bombardment of attacks, hehe

[bullittandy]

Back on subject.... ..... If you are prepared to replace your springs in the event cutting doesn't work out, why not save the trouble and just take the torch to them? I've done that on an old Chevy truck to lower it and never had any trouble with broken springs or anything and it rode quite nice for a lowerd truck.

I'll probably get lynched for bringing it up but it can be done safely if you're carefull and take it slow and if you are ready to risk messing up your springs anyway, why not? Also, if you are prepared to cut your springs, you aren't likely super concerned with the performance aspect of it, mainly the cosmetics.

Ok, I've braced myself. I'm ready for the bombardment of attacks, hehe

Your suggestion is on topic on two counts.

1st-You've actually done this-it worked and now your sharing your FIRSTHAND knowledge. 2nd-You're worried that people are going to attack you-that's not the point of a website dedicated to Infiniti Q45's.

[mcrews]

this was Brian's reply to a newbe who had made his own "tornado" air churner. now ignoring what we all know, the guy took the time to share - w/ a pic - an idea.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard P. Feynman

abboushi, besides your flawed grammar, I bet your experimental design is likewise flawed. Show us the design and data, and you can go save GM at a great salary!

Any idiot who believed this worked would immediatley wonder why they are not employed in turbine jet engines, the king of airflow efficiency pumps. At low altitudes, some adjustable device is employed by certain types of jets engines to restrict flow so the engine doesn't stall.

Extra points if you know who the author is.__________________Brian

this was the newbe's reply:to tell you guys the truth, I am posting this because i thought it would help but if you guys claim my numbers are incorreect thats fine. I didnt pay much for it i made it, it cost $3.00 I thought may help some but didnt post it to impress you guys, I seen an increase and im happy you guys can kiss my ***.

well......looks like Brian can make people feel ****ty on two sites. By the way, Brian, the Grammar Teacher, spelled POOR....porr. But hell, he's the big dog. I would like to think the moderators would send a pm to Brian.What really pisses me off, though, is the newbe is probably fluent in 2 languages but short cuts his posts and emails. Brain can't catch a clue in his only language and jams some new guy right out of the box. And of course unlike everyone else at these forums, who gets carried away at times and then makes some act of humility to make up. .....not a peep out of brian.....

Mark John CREWS

[louiegz]

If I had a $1 for everytime Brian told someone to do a search, I'd have millions. The search engine is crap and that doesn't promote new discussion. I just wish his replies wern't so mean spirited.
Modified by louiegz at 12:50 AM 6/20/2006

[BadQ45t]

Back on subject, leave the springs alone, get the new high performance shocks and you will get more results by far.....leave it, heating springs and cutting them is not for Q's.

[louiegz]

I'm surprised that Falk hasn't rung in on this. He's the Y33 expert. Get the 2in drop springs. Falk says he likes them. Not only that, cutting the spring seems like such a half a$$ed solution. Look up some posts from Falkdesigns. He has them. Or better yet, try to get in touch with him.

[qsiguy]

Wasn't really "worried" about getting attacked, just making a joke because that's what usually happens when someone suggests something that's not up to the "Q" standards. I 100% suggest and recommend upgrading to lowering springs but the point of bullittandy's post was that it wasn't in his budget to spring for springs (pun intended, hehe) so he was looking for other options. Although we'd all love to have the best for our machines it's not always possible as some of us have other responsibilities and limited budgets.

Just my $.02

[bullittandy]

Not only is it a budget issue but also performance/comfort. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the way my car rides. I drove a 2005 Lexus ES300 from OK to Atlanta and it did not ride as well nor was as subjectively quiet as my 97 with 200,000 miles. I don't like the fender gap but 2" is too much. I need 1" of lowering or nothing. Does anybody have a set set of Y33 springs used-how about the Tien's guys? I'd be willing to pay $50 for the front set to experiment with.Taking the front suspension out was easy-I bet I could do it in an hour next time. How 'bout a real discussion about an ACTUAL modification (other than arguing over oil type)! Maybe I can lower it and retain my pillowy ride?I'll cut-then report.

[superuber]

How 'bout a real discussion about an ACTUAL modification (other than arguing over oil type)! Maybe I can lower it and retain my pillowy ride?I'll cut-then report.

Who's arguing? Don't discount a valid question by a personwho may not know what oil to use. Plus, it wasn't even onyour thread! Remember people on this board are at all different skill levels. Some pro's, some DIYers.



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Modified by superuber at 2:08 PM 6/20/2006

[Falkdesigns]

Thanks louiegz, the reason I haven't chimed in so far, is that I was in the hospital for 4 days last week with my wife as our son was born. We came home Saturday, and I've been too in awe of our baby to do much else but stare at him and hold him!! I'll be back at work tomorrow, so I'll take some time to go through threads and see what I've missed.

I would strongly suggest against cutting the springs, Louis Cypher did it and said the front springs bind up (coils get stuck on one another). I know 2" drop is more than you say you'd like, but if you change your mind, I'm picking up 5 sets of Tein's today (3 sets are available for sale still).

[louiegz]

Thanks louiegz, the reason I haven't chimed in so far, is that I was in the hospital for 4 days last week with my wife as our son was born. We came home Saturday, and I've been too in awe of our baby to do much else but stare at him and hold him!!

A new Q driver born. Be behind the wheel before long. Congrats Falk!

[bullittandy]

[QUOTE=superuber]

Who's arguing? Don't discount a valid question by a personwho may not know what oil to use. Plus, it wasn't even onyour thread! Remember people on this board are at all different skill levels. Some pro's, some DIYers.

You're right, I should've said "discussing." Sorry.I wasn't referring to another thread about the oil-just using it as example.I don't want to discount anyone's questions-that would be the last thing I'd want to do.What I meant was-wouldn't it be fun to discuss the pros and cons of an actual modification? Such as cutting the spring on a Y33 and having the person that actually did this to report back what they discovered. As compared to a thread that consists entirely of people giving the theoritical reasons not to do it. Don't get me wrong- I love theory but I think its better when balanced with reality/experience/practice.

[Jesda]

Surely, after four years, the people at this forum have skin thick enough to deal with Brian. If you read between him being a blatant a-hole and him telling people to use the crappy search function, there's a valid point. Dont cut the springs. What works on a classic American car is different from what you'll experience on a modern luxury car built in Japan.

Congratulations Kevin!!!!

[superuber]

Didn't mean to jump down your throat! Sorry!I agree completely with your views on posting.I just don't want people to get the idea we are all like......well you know who!

http://community.webshots.com/user/neheadsuperuber

[Falkdesigns]

Thanks Jesda!

Bullitandy, read my previous post; someone on here did cut his stock springs, and had problems. Just see what I said above.

[ceningolmo]

Thread jack...

Congrats Kevin. Hope all is well with both Mom and baby?

[BadQ45t]

Congrats Kevin!!! I would have given you mine but I have no clue if my mechanic kept them. If he did they are in LA, if you are interested e-mail me at [email protected] and if he has them you can pay shipping and they are all yours. But, he might have trashed them, let me know and i'll find out.

[bullittandy]

Has anyone cut the stock front coil on a Y33? Those 2" drops with the aftermarket would be too much for me. I had my front suspension apart and it seems like it would be possible. Is the stock spring progressive on the top and bottom? I mean the bottom coil would the side to cut-how much of an spring rate increase would that be? How much to cut for a 1" drop?I know this is NOT recomended but I heard the same thing on my 55 Chevy and it rode BETTER with cut front coils.

P.S.If anyone has a set of stock front springs that they will sell me cheap I'd be much more willing to experiment.

I have a set of stock springs coming in this tuesday and will be cuting on Friday. I'll be posting before and after pictures and will accepting apologies or well deserved "I told you so's" then.

[bullittandy]

Nothing like meaningless anecdote triumphing over real world engineering.

Have a ball.

I'm assuming that you tried cutting the stock springs on a Y33 and it didn't work. Otherwise what purpose does your opinion serve?Well I did it, I lowered my car 1" (my goal) and have not suffered any ill effects other than needing a new alignment. It seems that your post would be a "meaningless anecdote," as compared to my "real world engineering." Thanks for the compliment Maxnix-I didn't know you had it in you.

[bullittandy]

Turns out that after swapping tires left to right, increasing the lug torque and increasing the pressure from 32 to 35 that I don't even need an alignment!!

Hey Maxnix, try "searching" for humility or as we say in the South "eating crow."

[louiegz]

Turns out that after swapping tires left to right, increasing the lug torque and increasing the pressure from 32 to 35 that I don't even need an alignment!!

Just to play it safe, I'd think you should still get the alignment. I'm not the biggest fan of lowering, especialy when you drive in bad roads like here in NJ, but those Y33 just look awful with all that wheel gap. Y33s have to be lowered. Looks good.