XS turbo kit vs Greddy turbo kit

[hayato kazami]

hey guys

which turbo kit you think is the best of the best? (for KA)

a) XS turbo kit b) Greddy turbo kitc) Nsport turbo kitd) others.....e)none of the above

Please consider the power range and price.......

sounds like a exam question huh? ^-^

[nismofan14]

hey guys

which turbo kit you think is the best of the best? (for KA)

a) XS turbo kit b) Greddy turbo kitc) Nsport turbo kitd) others.....e)none of the above

Please consider the power range and price.......

sounds like a exam question huh? ^-^

d)others and e)none of the above? wait a minute, is this a trick question? hehe Umm.....of the three listed the greddy is the least expensive w/210 horsepower but has just been released. The other two are more expensive but have more power and also include stuff the greddy doesnt. Then again WD has a kit that might be worth waiting for.

I am gonna wait till his is finished and then decide but if i cant wait that long I will peice together my own.

[trpower7]

Yeah.......why do I smell another AfterDark coming............. Why don't we stick with companies that have already produced what we know to be the most practical kit as far as mass-production that can be sold on any kind of scale. If they could make it much cheaper, to make more power, they would. It's that simple. No one holds some magic secret to a kit; these 3-4 companies (especially Greddy) have done the homework, the R&D, and put the investment money in to make a kit they believe is viable, reliable, sellable, and marketable. That's about as good as it's going to get folks; things only get cheaper when you start being able to produce them on even a more mass scale with assured sales, competition rises, prices drop, etc. The competitive market has nailed the price of around 210 hp on a KA at around $3300 for a kit. Simple. If I had to buy any of them I'd go with Greddy, biggest name, has an e-manage, top-feed rail, etc. After that NSPORT provides a great turbo and all the intercooler you'll ever need, then it's just fuel you have to worry about (past 6-7psi). FMAX has some funky pipe routing and uses a JWT, I love the JWT ECU but at such a low power level I'm not a fan.

[nismofan14]

I agree with you on the greddy and If I had the money right now I would buy it. But what is wrong with WD' plans. I don't want to start another **** thread like the one a couple of weeks ago, but atleast see what comes of his kit and see if it will be another reliable option. These other companies with their "big names" had to start out as a small company also. But all in all Greddy is the the cheapest and at the time with power levels not far from the other kits.

[trpower7]

It's just simple economic market theory. There are enough producers to meet demand, who have already established mean price ranges. You can't compete with that, it never works. Even the companies that can produce kits for cars they KNOW will sell en masse still have to price around $3500 (think Edelbrock, Holley, etc). And that's with millions in backing, research, etc. Who spends $3000+ on something without a company name to back it up? Just seems remarkably naive' to anyone who has even a small schooling in business, market economics, supply and demand theory, etc.........

[14.5drift]

Of course if your talking new for new you can't underbid the big companies ( ussually ) considering a business that large has mass overhead to cover you never know where there money goes. But when you start picking up used items like the ebay t28 or saab front mount intercooler ( items of that nature ) you can drastically reduce the price of a turbo kit.

[mean green s14]

get a nsport kit and be done 240 hp at the wheels is more than enought for a car like a 240sx, the kit is pricey but it takes all the guessing from the game. 240+whp for 3800.00 + 2800lb 240sx=a garanteed good time!

[trpower7]

Absolutely correct, my point is that from a marketing standpoint it is really a futile effort to enter the pre-fabbed kit game without major corporate backing. If someone wants to make up junkyard kits for people and sell them that's their business, but if they want to be able to sell it with any kind of gaurentee or warranty or reputation, it's going to be the big boys and nobobdy else.

[WDRacing]

Absolutely correct, my point is that from a marketing standpoint it is really a futile effort to enter the pre-fabbed kit game without major corporate backing. If someone wants to make up junkyard kits for people and sell them that's their business, but if they want to be able to sell it with any kind of gaurentee or warranty or reputation, it's going to be the big boys and nobobdy else.

I have to say that your last 3 posts have been fairly ignorant. Just because you are willing to sit back and pay higher prices doesn't mean the rest of the 240 comunity is. I've said this 1000 times now. I'm not out to get rich, I have a ton of experience with forced induction and I can weld. So why not build some kits for people???

Why is this different from AfterDark?? Because this is turbo's not front clips from another country. Don't like my kit, don't buy it. But spreading bad propaganda about a paying NICO sponsor and respected Moderator will get you nowhere. Oh, and in case you guys are wondering, I've dealt with accounts in the military that lean more towards 5.7 million in items on an anual basis. So from a bussiness aspect, I think I've got the finance side of things worked out. As for reputation, I don't expect anything until I install my first kit and it outperforms the rest. I don't expect anything until I can prove my statements.

This is not a WD's turbo kit thread. My kit is not available and won't be for several months. The best kit out right now is the Greddy. No doubt about it. I'm not sure if all the tuning bugs have been worked out, but its the one I would get if I was in the market.

WD

[trpower7]

I stand by my original statement. And I'd be hesitant to make such claims until you've.....well......actually touched a KA. Seems like a whole lot of claim to make when.......well........you haven't actually touched one yet. If it was that easy every other company would have already done it, that's why they employ PROFESSIONALS in each specific field. Good luck with it all, but I don't quite think there's enough evidence to support any idea other than the average person is much better off going with the TM companies........

[Structure240sx]

back on topic i have the nsport kit and like it alot but i dont have expirence with any others or do i know anyone personally with any turbo kits. i do like import-autoperformance's kits. i was on FA not to long ago and someone got their stage 1 kit and said everything bolted up perfectly

[bruinbear714]

I stand by my original statement. And I'd be hesitant to make such claims until you've.....well......actually touched a KA. Seems like a whole lot of claim to make when.......well........you haven't actually touched one yet. If it was that easy every other company would have already done it, that's why they employ PROFESSIONALS in each specific field. Good luck with it all, but I don't quite think there's enough evidence to support any idea other than the average person is much better off going with the TM companies........

It's not difficult to piece together a kit - Buy the revhard manifold, the t3/t4 turbo, some u-bends, l-bends, etc etc, clamps, oil return, oil feed, and an intercooler. Weld the downpipe, intercooler pipes, and an oil return bung in the oil pan. The hard part is getting the right amount of fuel into your engine, and even that's not too difficult if you know a little about electronics and the way the engine electrical system works. It doesn't take a genious to figure how out it all integrates together.

The reason why you don't see many KA turbo kits is because there is SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH DEMAND FOR IT. PERIOD. Why spend $3000 on a turbo kit when you can get an sr swap for around the same price? If the term KA was as common as B16/B18, there's be over a dozen turbo kits for the engine priced at around $2500.

But if I were to choose turbo kits, I'd go with the Greddy kit because its under $3000 and includes a fuel system. Can't beat that price, especially when you can add in an intercooler kit and have a nice fuel system and front mount for under $4k.

P.S. What's the fundamental difference between a KA and an SR besides the fact that one is 0.4L larger and the other has a turbo?

[WDRacing]

I stand by my original statement. And I'd be hesitant to make such claims until you've.....well......actually touched a KA. Seems like a whole lot of claim to make when.......well........you haven't actually touched one yet. If it was that easy every other company would have already done it, that's why they employ PROFESSIONALS in each specific field. Good luck with it all, but I don't quite think there's enough evidence to support any idea other than the average person is much better off going with the TM companies........

Stand wherever you want. What you say speaks so loudly I can't hear you. You obviously have no idea about forced induction or you wouldn't have made the above statement. There is no difference between the RB, the KA or the SR when it comes to adding boost.

WD

[tapdeznutz]

bruinbear is right its all about demand. if demand ever gets to the point of b16/18 everyone would have a turbo kit availible and for cheaper. these kits by XS Engineering and Greddy and all the other big names have to make that dollar to keep the doors open so their kits are pricey. i have been reading this board like crazy getting all my info together before i make that step. and WD has caught my eye. i dont know him personally or anything but i like what i hear. in my opinion it sounds like WD genuinely wants to make these kits and sell them for like 100 bucks over the actual cost. sure going with the big companies has its advantages like less hassle and headache, with a price of course. i always like to compare nikes to adidas. and even though nikes are generally more expensive i perfer adidas anyways. well sorry for getting off topic but we just need to put alittle more thought into it before we say anything.

jay

[TurboKA37]

trpower: who is making junk yard kits?you obviously dont know anything about what WD is planning so you have no right to talk about the kit he wants to produce. especially since its not even a kit yet.

[trpower7]

Stand wherever you want. What you say speaks so loudly I can't hear you. You obviously have no idea about forced induction or you wouldn't have made the above statement. There is no difference between the RB, the KA or the SR when it comes to adding boost.

WD

I OBVIOUSLY have no idea eh? How do you qualify that statement? What REAL evidence do you have towards that? I have two FI cars that say I do, and a host of people's I've worked on that say I do as well. It goes A LOT further than "I know how to make my car make a lot of power with forced induction". It involves how to produce, market, sell, advertise, price adjust, R&D, gaurentee, offer consistent service, have tech help, etc. Hey, I wouldn't buy a widget modification from a company that had never seen a widget. Even if "well all widgets are pretty much the same, and we know about modifying widgets, so why should this particular widget be any different?" It's just that simple. Edelbrock's D16 turbo kit is priced at $3300. Damned near every other civic is running around with a D16. The market just says that to gaurentee a kit it's going to be around $3500. As much as I love the KA, and I do as many members can attest to, it's very fundamentally different from an RB and SR for the simple reason that a Nissan engineer never put the idea of that engine being forced induction into the equation when designing the engine. There are quite a few things that are going to have to be reckoned with. It happens that it handles it quite well. But on the same level as Nissan designed FI engines, probably not quite.

Aren't all of you kind of going at this sight-unseen? It seems like the blind leading the blind here, albeit WD knows a ton about FI, and probably a ton about the KA from reading and technical manuals and all. But realistically, I'm sure the guys at HeavyThrottle, McKinney, etc, know just as much and have fifty spare KA's lying around to tool with. Not to mention at least some company backing, full machine shops, etc. The market seems to have determined that for the people that want to do it themselves there are several proven reliable methods and ways to do a homemade kit (DUY's setup is a GREAT example) and you can buy, at the market price most any car's turbo kit sells at, a reputable brand name kit for sub-$4000. There isn't demand for it, it's difficult and very unstable to try to sell something to the general public in any kind of quantity without a backable gaurantee, reputation, etc. I'm saying I think you all would be better off exploring some options that are more viable and immediate, proven and reliable at least to some extent. The answer "just wait for WD's kit to come out" seems to come up far too often and somewhat ahead of itself.

[nismofan14]

Ok, since the original question was answered and this post is not about WD's turbo kit(as stated above), maybe we should just let this go. Really, wtf is your deal.....sry i mentioned that he may have something worth buying...but hayato did ask for other options and I just figured that I would inform him that this *may* be one. So now that I have appologized for giving info on a site dedicated to supplying info, maybe this B.S. will stop?

[TrunkMonkey]

Ok, since the original question was answered and this post is not about WD's turbo kit(as stated above), maybe we should just let this go.

i agree.

trpower7, i'm not sure what the deal is, but if people want to wait and see what WD has to offer then that's their choice. you wonder why people seem to be eagerly anticipating WD's kit? it's because it's another option. i'm wondering why you seem to be so against it.

this one is finished.

-demetrius