Xbox Original Classics Downloadable from The marketplace: December 4th

[redtop91]

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/game...t.htm

Neato.

[Loki]

Indeed! But I believe it would be cheaper and more efficient to simply find a cheap copy of the game!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Everyone I know is getting all excited about this. I'm just confused.

We have old games that are poorly emulated and instead of paying ~$10 for them and slapping in a disc you have to wait for a download and then use up limited disc space? Doesn't sound too hot to me.

Add to that the fact that none of those games in the first set are particularly enticing and you've got one pretty underwhelming new feature.

If I wanted any of these old games, I have my legacy Xbox (though I don't want them, and in fact never touch my old box unless I'm watching DVDs or get a hankering to haul out the cockpit for some Vertical Tank chaos) or the superior PC versions (Halo, Fable, Crimson Skies).

BTW: You can get Halo for the PC for $10 (and that was 3 years ago). 5 bucks more for a badly emulated version of an inferior version of a crappy game? No thanks.

I kind of fail to see why MS even devoted resources to this project.

[Jiggyfry]

I just wish my Toe Jam & Earl 3 game worked on my 360. Maybe they should concentrate on getting all the original titles to work with the 360 first.

[Loki]

Everyone I know is getting all excited about this. I'm just confused.

We have old games that are poorly emulated and instead of paying ~$10 for them and slapping in a disc you have to wait for a download and then use up limited disc space? Doesn't sound too hot to me.

Add to that the fact that none of those games in the first set are particularly enticing and you've got one pretty underwhelming new feature.

If I wanted any of these old games, I have my legacy Xbox (though I don't want them, and in fact never touch my old box unless I'm watching DVDs or get a hankering to haul out the cockpit for some Vertical Tank chaos) or the superior PC versions (Halo, Fable, Crimson Skies).

BTW: You can get Halo for the PC for $10 (and that was 3 years ago). 5 bucks more for a badly emulated version of an inferior version of a crappy game? No thanks.

I kind of fail to see why MS even devoted resources to this project.

I think this is mainly due to the success of the Wii's Virtual Console. The Wii pulls this off much better though.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Interesting point. Maybe that was their thinking...But how many GCN games are on the VC? None. Even N64 games are few. VC is for classic games...games you might not be able to find for consoles that you might have but which might not even work anymore.I'm pretty sure there's no shortage of working Xboxes or games for them yet. Maybe in 10 years...

[R240sx]

Interesting point. Maybe that was their thinking...But how many GCN games are on the VC? None. Even N64 games are few. VC is for classic games...games you might not be able to find for consoles that you might have but which might not even work anymore.I'm pretty sure there's no shortage of working Xboxes or games for them yet. Maybe in 10 years...

Its the classic microsoft Me too attitude, they wait untill another console tries it and bashes it to hell, then if its successfull they secretly slip it under the radar, Wii and ps3 had this from the gate.

[redtop91]

Funny, it seems to me that Xbox was the first console to offer a hard drive and since Sony has followed suit. First to offer an organized online console community which Sony is still trying to copy without much success. I know your argument is trying to elevate Sony but Sony hasn't come up with ANYTHING in a vacuum and who can honestly say that they have? The "me too" attitude you reference is called business. You might want to take an economics class and learn yourself. You remind me of myself awhiles back. I'm not so blinded by brand loyalty as yourself though.

[Loki]

Interesting point. Maybe that was their thinking...But how many GCN games are on the VC? None. Even N64 games are few. VC is for classic games...games you might not be able to find for consoles that you might have but which might not even work anymore.I'm pretty sure there's no shortage of working Xboxes or games for them yet. Maybe in 10 years...

Well, here is how I see it. Firstly, the GCN wasn't incredibly popular, and it doesn't have a huge library of must have games. Secondly, any must have games for the GCN and pretty much be bought on the cheap, and aren't too hard to find. It would be nice if VC offered more good N64 titles, but some of the best have licensing issues, such as with Goldeneye. So putting out a ton of the older stuff is generally the best course of action.

[R240sx]

Funny, it seems to me that Xbox was the first console to offer a hard drive and since Sony has followed suit. First to offer an organized online console community which Sony is still trying to copy without much success. I know your argument is trying to elevate Sony but Sony hasn't come up with ANYTHING in a vacuum and who can honestly say that they have? The "me too" attitude you reference is called business. You might want to take an economics class and learn yourself. You remind me of myself awhiles back. I'm not so blinded by brand loyalty as yourself though.

You speak to a person that has all 3 consoles my friend, and your right the xbox was the first console to offer a built in hard drive and online, and its integrated it extermely well. but with comments from top microsoft executives like, HDMI is not needed, 1080P is not needed, 20gb is more than enough, home isnt needed, it only makes them look foolish. lets not forget the fact that the ps2 had hard-drive support, but due to being a peripheral object fell into obscurity only seeing use from games like FFXI to name a few. Fortunatly for Microsoft they no longer have peter moore working for them, and since has shown a level of professionalism that deserves merit, but looking at the many business ventures that microsoft has entered into the past one can only ask where is the innovation?

[redtop91]

lets not forget the fact that the ps2 had hard-drive support, but due to being a peripheral object fell into obscurity only seeing use from games like FFXI to name a few.

Which was released AFTER the Xbox. It's funny you say to name a few when that was the ONLY one. That's like saying GCN had online support because Phantasy Star Online used it.

Fortunatly for Microsoft they no longer have peter moore working for them

He was a business man. He, beyond being a higher up, had little/no say in the hardware or software development or improvement process.

but looking at the many business ventures that microsoft has entered into the past one can only ask where is the innovation?

Once again, what ideas truly develop in a void?

[R240sx]

Which was released AFTER the Xbox. It's funny you say to name a few when that was the ONLY one. That's like saying GCN had online support because Phantasy Star Online used it.

Not so, while it was released late in north america it launched in japan in 2001, before the xbox was ever released. If you really want a list of games that used the HDD you should just google it, the point i was making was not that it did it better than the xbox, just that it did it before the xbox.

He was a business man. He, beyond being a higher up, had little/no say in the hardware or software development or improvement process.

again you mis-interpreted my point, it was not about them copying other business, it was the notion of rediculing another company and resorting guerilla marketing to tarnish another companies name, then turn around and slide in similiar features, which is what peter moore did, with comments like 1080p is too much. Similiarly right up to the launch of the ps3 console sony was guilty of the same thing from ken kutaragi, with comments like "next gen doesnt start till we say so" and "xbox 360 is competing with ps2" fortunatly he's been put to pasture as well.

Once again, what ideas truly develop in a void?

well, i do believe microsoft came with HD-DVD before Sony could come out with there Blu-ray format, thats something that came "from the void" as no one else was offering high definition media discs at the time. also again xbox live is something not seen on any other console even today. i could go on because technology is always increasing at such a rapid pace, that new ideas do seem to develop seemingly out of the void but that would be for a different topic.
Modified by R240sx at 2:24 PM 11/20/2007

[C-Kwik]

In all honesty, who cares about all the finger pointing and idea stealing. Both Sony and MS has shown a great deal of being able to adjust in this generation. Previous generations weren't nearly as flexible. The competition has made this possible. I guarantee if MS wasn't doing so well, Sony would still have a 60 GB and 20 GB model and possibly without a price drop yet.

As for the downloadable games, MS has found that downloadable content has been doing quite well. Why not offer up old xbox games if hey stand to gain more profit? It won't please everyone, but there are many who have embraced the XBOX live marketplace. I'm sure MS's analysts have access to hard data that would have justified putting these out there. I'd actually love to see online distribution for all their games. It would make it much easier to put a 360 in my truck and play it off the hard drive instead of the optical since it would be less prone to the vibrations inherent with such an environment. Functionally, this would be almost as good as the modded xbox I had in the G35. But I doubt I'll see major 360 games available online anytime soon....

[redtop91]

Not so, while it was released late in north america it launched in japan in 2001, before the xbox was ever released. If you really want a list of games that used the HDD you should just google it, the point i was making was not that it did it better than the xbox, just that it did it before the xbox.

Even so Sony copied Xbox's model of using the hard disk drive for multimedia and downloadable content. We can go around and around about who stole from who, and in that you are proving my point. Everyone steals from everyone so don't try to point the finger at MS.

again you mis-interpreted my point, it was not about them copying other business, it was the notion of rediculing another company and resorting guerilla marketing to tarnish another companies name, then turn around and slide in similiar features, which is what peter moore did, with comments like 1080p is too much. Similiarly right up to the launch of the ps3 console sony was guilty of the same thing from ken kutaragi, with comments like "next gen doesnt start till we say so" and "xbox 360 is competing with ps2" fortunatly he's been put to pasture as well.

well, i do believe microsoft came with HD-DVD before Sony could come out with there Blu-ray format, thats something that came "from the void" as no one else was offering high definition media discs at the time.

Neither of the respective formats that each company endorses were developed by them, they just chose to back different technologies. Maybe I did miss the point of what you are trying to say but when you present somewhat biased facts in a known Xbox fan's thread you couldn't have expected me to overlook the details.

I have hard copies of all of the downloadable games, I just think it's neat that should they become damaged, I can get a copy without leaving my couch which is especially appealing come winter time. I just hope that they patch Halo to include multiplayer, which they won't, but it's a fun notion to entertain anyways.

[Jiggyfry]

I REALLY want to play Toe Jam & Earl. Dang.