My heart tells me to do either ka-t or rb 25. I wish I could work out a scenario where I could help with the installation of the turbo/engine....you know, be kinda like an apprentice. I would love the rb because of its sound/comes stock with turbo and it would be a little diff. but I would also love the turbo because that would just be bad *** and I could slowly buy the pieces and add them on as I go... I doubt a shop would let me help in the process and I dont know any nissian afficianados around here that have a garage.
I really would like to have a part in the installion no matter what I do..
Would you recommend KA-T to a novice?
Re: (Mangudai)
What is your budget for engine mods? Do you own tools and a garage?Mangudai wrote:My heart tells me to do either ka-t or rb 25. I wish I could work out a scenario where I could help with the installation of the turbo/engine....you know, be kinda like an apprentice. I would love the rb because of its sound/comes stock with turbo and it would be a little diff. but I would also love the turbo because that would just be bad *** and I could slowly buy the pieces and add them on as I go... I doubt a shop would let me help in the process and I dont know any nissian afficianados around here that have a garage.
I really would like to have a part in the installion no matter what I do..
Re: (Mangudai)
I think you'd be surprised about helping out in shops. Every shop I've been to has been real cool about that...and I wasn't even working on my car. Just go up to one that specializes Nissans and such (luckily Modern Speed Labs is just across town from me) and ask the owner if you can volunteer some of your time to helping them out. Start sweeping floors and just watch the engine installs. Thats how I learned most of what I know about cars.
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Agreed...I used to hang around the service station across the street from my house growing up in Boston. Thats where I got into cars. The owner and mechanics were all about showing me what was what. If its your car and you want to help, then I'm sure at the very least you can watch and have things expalined in a step by step.
Also, since you seem to want to pick up some actual knowledge, go buy Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. It is the single best book you can buy for turbocharging any car. He explains almost everything. I had been telling people to read that long before I actually did, because I had used it as a reference. Had I read the whole thing I would have saved myself MAJOR heartache.
I think we've expressed a miriad of opinions here. This is an excellent thread and I love watching us come together and rationalize scenerio's. In the end though, its only up to one person.
Just for the record, have you considered swapping in the VH45 or the LS1. Both are all aluminum V8's that weigh less then the KA thats in there now. If you want some more intel on this hit me up on AIM WDRacin or email [email protected] or swing into the new Hybrids forum and post up there.
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Also, since you seem to want to pick up some actual knowledge, go buy Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. It is the single best book you can buy for turbocharging any car. He explains almost everything. I had been telling people to read that long before I actually did, because I had used it as a reference. Had I read the whole thing I would have saved myself MAJOR heartache.
I think we've expressed a miriad of opinions here. This is an excellent thread and I love watching us come together and rationalize scenerio's. In the end though, its only up to one person.
Just for the record, have you considered swapping in the VH45 or the LS1. Both are all aluminum V8's that weigh less then the KA thats in there now. If you want some more intel on this hit me up on AIM WDRacin or email [email protected] or swing into the new Hybrids forum and post up there.
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I hate to be a wet blanket but I have to take issue with something.
That is the point that very few people ever look at practicallity as being a factor. Nobody has asked any qualifying questions to see what is best for this guy. Instead everyone just spits out an opinion on what they think would be good. I see this over and over.
I mean, I guess if everything is hypothetical banter it's all good but we don't even know his budget. Notice I asked above.
In this case, the best option for wetting one's beak in automotive mechanics is a straight forward engine swap to an engine that is made for the car.
Swaping other motors or doing a turbo kit might be sweet but it is more involved and less likely to end well. If the guy wants to jump in head first and give it a shot, more power too him but lets at least asses the situation before going crazy.
That is the point that very few people ever look at practicallity as being a factor. Nobody has asked any qualifying questions to see what is best for this guy. Instead everyone just spits out an opinion on what they think would be good. I see this over and over.
I mean, I guess if everything is hypothetical banter it's all good but we don't even know his budget. Notice I asked above.
In this case, the best option for wetting one's beak in automotive mechanics is a straight forward engine swap to an engine that is made for the car.
Swaping other motors or doing a turbo kit might be sweet but it is more involved and less likely to end well. If the guy wants to jump in head first and give it a shot, more power too him but lets at least asses the situation before going crazy.
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Well here's where I disagree with you homegirl. I didn't need to ask any qualifying questions. Because I'm very good and reading through a person words and seeing what they really mean. He said after reading what was involved that he was scared. That means he lack confidence in his ability to do the job. Which is fine because he knows his limits. He also said he doesn't have a garage and all the tools needed to do the job.
So the obvious answer would be to have a shop do the work and try and help/watch as best he can. Now if you're going to PAY a shop, you might as well get THE best bang for your buck. Which I'm sorry to say IS NOT the KA...I'm a KA supporter because its in the car already and turboing it is a better option the swapping in a SR. But thats bsaically it, I've worked on the entire line of Nissan motors that were brought to life between 89-98. The KA is simply not ranked in the lead...for several reasons. But thats not really the debate in this thread.
By participating in the swap of a new motor, you get all the basic theory you would if you were turboing the motor that is already in the car, because the motor is still pulled, reworked and then reinstalled. Simply reading and watching will net a ton of knowledge. You'll also pick up wiring, fabrication and a few other great area's of automotive. One can only learn as much as he wants to, if he wants to learn everything, then he simply chooses to apply himself.
When you first came onboard Nico you asked some basic noob questions. You didn't appear to have much knowledge pertaining to forced induction. But I could tell you listened to what was said, filtered out the BS for fact and now you're tuning your own ECU. You know more about ROM tuning then I do by far and are making huge leaps in your project. But I knew you would. Just like I'm pretty sure Mangudai can grab ahold of this and rock out with his c*** out
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So the obvious answer would be to have a shop do the work and try and help/watch as best he can. Now if you're going to PAY a shop, you might as well get THE best bang for your buck. Which I'm sorry to say IS NOT the KA...I'm a KA supporter because its in the car already and turboing it is a better option the swapping in a SR. But thats bsaically it, I've worked on the entire line of Nissan motors that were brought to life between 89-98. The KA is simply not ranked in the lead...for several reasons. But thats not really the debate in this thread.
By participating in the swap of a new motor, you get all the basic theory you would if you were turboing the motor that is already in the car, because the motor is still pulled, reworked and then reinstalled. Simply reading and watching will net a ton of knowledge. You'll also pick up wiring, fabrication and a few other great area's of automotive. One can only learn as much as he wants to, if he wants to learn everything, then he simply chooses to apply himself.
When you first came onboard Nico you asked some basic noob questions. You didn't appear to have much knowledge pertaining to forced induction. But I could tell you listened to what was said, filtered out the BS for fact and now you're tuning your own ECU. You know more about ROM tuning then I do by far and are making huge leaps in your project. But I knew you would. Just like I'm pretty sure Mangudai can grab ahold of this and rock out with his c*** out
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Re: (WDRacing)
I missed the part where you dissagree.
My whole point is that a direct swap is the most practical when paying a mechanic to do the work - therefore the SR takes it. Paying them to do a KA-T you may as well walk in azz first with a crack full of KY.
My whole point is that a direct swap is the most practical when paying a mechanic to do the work - therefore the SR takes it. Paying them to do a KA-T you may as well walk in azz first with a crack full of KY.
Re: (Edub1)
I agree with the above but I believe that by asking if KA-T would be recommended to a novice he meant doing the labor himself. It wouldn't really matter whether he was a novice or not if the shop was doing the labor.
This topic should be clarified or locked.
This topic should be clarified or locked.
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Re: (Edub1)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAEdub1 wrote: Paying them to do a KA-T you may as well walk in azz first with a crack full of KY.