Would like to eliminate ABS

[wrichard]

Q 45, would like to eliminate ABS and go to standard brakes. $2000 too expensive to repair ABS, can I just allow Abs motor to fail?

[lino]

Welcome to Nico.

What year is your car and what mileage is on it?

[elwesso]

who quoted you $2000 to fix the ABS? Is it just the ABS actuator?

I have a used ABS actuator and there are many other people on this board that probably have one.

What exactly is wrong with the brakes.

[Haitian_King]

Q 45, would like to eliminate ABS and go to standard brakes. $2000 too expensive to repair ABS, can I just allow Abs motor to fail?

You can do that?

Would it be more expensive to change it?

[Q45tech]

ABS, like air bags are a rated [listed] premium discounts in automotive insurance, so willful disconnecting, even failure to repair in a timely manner would be insurance fraud.

Obviously getting caught might require an accident with a death [serious investigation] but 40,000 people die each year in motor accidents in US.

Most people replace relays and find a junkyard controller or pump as substitutes when ABS components fail.

[oldmako]

How would it be fraud if you told your insurance company that your car didn't have ABS? That's usually one of the first questions they ask when giving you a quote. You'd assume more risk and pay a higher premium.

If the brakes function normally without ABS....what's the big deal? Most of us drove for 20-30 years before it became a standard item. No way I'd drop 2K to repair it on a car worth 4500 bucks (insert witty comment about "what's your life worth here") I'm saving that kind of ching for a transmission...rear end etc.

It's a computer which modulates (removes or reduces) brake pressure....if it's inop and the brakes are fine in all other respects, I see no issue.

So what's the answer? Besides not having the luxury of AL, would removing it interfere with the car's (normal) stopping ability?

[Q45tech]

As long a you legally notify your insurance company that you have redesigned the braking system and it is no longer oem, you are off the hook once they acknowledge you action, reprice your policy and send you another copy.

I seriously doubt any insurance company would write a new/modified policy with a modified brake system. Many do it [big brake kits, different pads, rotors, big wheels] and never face the music until they are charged with negligence in a legal action and their insurance company looks for a way to get out of some liability by finding illegal things you did.

Call your up and asked the proceedure?

ABS actually may increase straight line dry stopping distance especially with harder longer lasting than oem tires............since ever cycle is a loss of braking friction.

ABS is designed for wet and slippery conditions to trade off panic braking for steering function to steer around problem.....instead of sliding into it.

[mtcookson]

In most cases I've actually seen ABS to help decrease the stopping distance wet or dry... I wouldn't recommend removing it personally. Its one of the few systems that is proven assist the driver in having added control (compared to other systems like traction control and stability control).

[Raxephon]

I guess I'll be the black sheep.

You'll need a proportioning valve seperating the front brakes from the rear.

So 4, (2 sets of 2), going out and one coming into the proportioning valve from the brake master cylinder.

[maxnix]

$2000 too expensive to repair ABS, can I just allow Abs motor to fail?

The question is, can you prevent it from failing at this stage?

$2K is pretty inexpensive to have non-locked up brakes in rain and maintain handling. Maybe you think your life and that of your passengers and other drivers and passingers aren't worth $2K?

[RAP]

Quote "So what's the answer? Besides not having the luxury of AL, would removing it interfere with the car's (normal) stopping ability?"

NO. Cars with ABS do stop normally without a functioning ABS system.

The ABS on my Acura has been out for more than three years and it'll stay that way. It's a very expensive repair and opting for a used one without a usage history is probably not a very good idea.

Further the insurance company need not know if, or, when your ABS went inop if that is a concern.

Better to learn how to drive than rely on such gimcracks as ABS. Along with TCS, air bags and seat belts.

To learn how to drive: First, SLOW down and go from there. It's not difficult, saves mucho gaz and maybe your azz.

Jack

[marksport]

It shouldn't be that much to replace the ABS components. I had to replace my 2002 Q45 ABS pump, that cost $250 for a used unit plus install.

[nismo silvia]

The expense is up to you my 93 Q is getting g37 calipers and i am running all of my lines from a 300zx tt master most are steel braided but you can also save money and ben some hard lines to fit.

[Q451990]

It shouldn't be that much to replace the ABS components. I had to replace my 2002 Q45 ABS pump, that cost $250 for a used unit plus install.

Just out of curiosity, how did it fail... leaking? I haven't heard of any issues on the Q45 after 1992 or so when they updated the seals.

Heath

[maxnix]

The ABS on my Acura has been out for more than three years and it'll stay that way. It's a very expensive repair and opting for a used one without a usage history is probably not a very good idea.

Mine cost about $1,800 to repair the accumulator and pupmp. It was still working, just recycling every 4 seconds.

Pretty cheap in that cross country drives, driving in rain, and driving in freeway traffice here at 75 mph (normal flow) can't be reasonably avoided as I am not retired, nor a salaried nor a hourly wage worker.

Only gets activated once or twice a year, but can easily pay back its cost on just one application.

[lino]

The expense is up to you my 93 Q is getting g37 calipers and i am running all of my lines from a 300zx tt master most are steel braided but you can also save money and ben some hard lines to fit.

Are they 4-piston front and 2-piston rear calipers that are on the G37? Do you have any more details you can share about your brake set-up?

[Haitian_King]

You're not salaried or paid hourly?

Are you a drug dealer?

[lino]

You're not salaried or paid hourly?

Are you a drug dealer?

He probably has a piggy bank :



And maybe he is self-employed....and still has more coming in:

[Q45tech]

When we are offered a wreck, the first thing we look for is a working ABS because we know we can resell it for half what the wreck costs us, a few more parts and the wreck becomes a profit center. Even eventually having to pay to have the shell towed away to crusher.

[maxnix]

You're not salaried or paid hourly?

Are you a drug dealer?

No, business owner.

Self employment is a weird concept to many.

[mtcookson]

Self employment is a weird concept to many.

That's for sure... though it used to be that around 80% were, essentially, self employed and 20% worked for that 80%... now its nearly flipped to where 20% are running things and 80% and working for them.

[Haitian_King]

No, business owner.

Self employment is a weird concept to many.

Not a weird concept. Just wondered what sort of employment required that much travel when not earning a salary or hourly wage.

What sort of business are you in?

[Rex]

Removing/disabling the ABS has both short term and long term costs, just weigh the advantages (to you) and disadvantages (to you and the next owner) before doing so.

Not a weird concept. Just wondered what sort of employment required that much travel when not earning a salary or hourly wage.

What sort of business are you in?

Of course this is way off topic, but the logical guess (lots of travel/driving & self employed) is real estate.

[Haitian_King]

At least it's civil.

Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed real estate. Now if he said he spent a lot of time on the phone, I would have guessed it.

Driving? Could have been anything. Possibly a chain of stores/shops that he visits/inspects.

The key here is imagination.

[RAP]

Quote from Rex above:Removing/disabling the ABS has both short term and long term costs, just weigh the advantages (to you) and disadvantages (to you and the next owner) before doing so.

How so pray tell?

I did not remove the ABS in my Acura. It just went bad and I have not repaired it so far. Probably not gonna. Not so much the cost, but rather it's really not useful for me.

I will not remove the unit from the car since the wiring is bundled with other wires as part of the harness and I have no desire to disturb any of those wires, or any wires, on any modern cars unless absolutely necessary.

The tubing for the brakes/fluids goes through the ABS system and works quiet well the way it is and will not fail because of that.

Now for the hot driver above. The legal speed limit, since legal and ABS is mentioned, is probably no more than 60 mph in congested areas and possibly less. There is a slow traffic lane for the pokes and that is usually on the right. So no one is required to speed. Duh. I don't find it difficult to drive slower in congested areas if I so desire. Plus from long time observation I can assure ya'll that I will arrive at destination about just as fast as any hot rodder. My observation, and, I drive most every day as required for doing MY JOB.

On the one hand it's "I have ABS so I can speed in excess of the legal limit"? ? ? or, on the other "it's illegal to not fix a broken ABS"? ? ? So what the story here?

I am well aware of the ABS, MUCHO Airbags, three point harness/seat belts, etc that are part of the insurance questionnaire when buying coverage. I am also aware that I AM responsible for my, and the safety of others, when operating my vehicles. SLOW is the way to GO for the most part.

The single greatest improvement to vehicle brakes has been the vaccume booster to assist mechanical brakes IMO. Everything since then has not done much for stopping the vehicle except disc brakes. An improvement also.

Not much success in improving the mental process though, unless one is so inclined.

Jack

[RAP]

No, business owner.

Self employment is a weird concept to many.

Can't pass this up. What's weird about being self employed? When I WAS SELF EMPLOYED, many years, I really didn't have much time for car forum chit chat so that is weird, but now...



Jack

[nismo silvia]

They are 4 fornt and 2 rear trying to find some g35 rims for a good price so i can put them on though.

[Ulises31]

My tow truck is a Dynamic 601 on a 1995 Chevy 3500HD.

The ABS light turns on and off very often and my brake pedal goes very soft, it eventually stops but I am using all my calories on each stop sign.

Lets stay away from prices and go to reliability, lets talk about 35 mph towing a heavy vehicle and one of those kamikaze from the tons that are driving in Miami, change lines into your path and stops to make a turn or just a red light etc

Now, do I want something capable to stop my truck or a bunch of electronics that fail and turn the pedal soft as a fresh kake?

The problem with the ABS on a chevy truck, I dont know on an airplane because I have never been driving one but on a Chevy pickup truck, once the ABS fails for whatever reason, the pedal goes very soft

Insurance? Since it is only on the front wheels, Progressive does not consider it as a real ABS and I am not getting any discount for ABS anyways

So now, my question is:THERE IS ANY WAY TO ELIMINATE THE CHEVY FACTORY ABS? Just a pump that works.

*** Talking about quotes, at my local dealership named Maroone Chevy in LeJune and SW 8th St, the sensors, just the sensors for the two frot wheels cost me $200 each, I didnt bother with asking for anything else because it was about $2000 for everything that I need in order for having my brakes back in business.

I will be curious for other quotes but lets stay away money and go to safety, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO HAVE THE CHEVY ABS OR A SINGLE PUMP THAT STOPS MY TRUCK WHILE YOUR DAUGHTER IS CROSSING THE STREET RUNNING AFTER YOUR DOG?

[Q451990]

Welcome to NICO?? You revive a 2 year old thread to tell us about the virtues of ABS on a Chevy tow truck in an Infiniti Q45 forum?

[BCC93QT]

if its a tow truck i think it would be wise to keep the ABS. I wonder how many people would allow you to tow their car if they knew you had no ABS But why am i even responding to that, he will probably never post on this site again hopefully....