Would anyone pay to have their harnesses tucked?

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A few months ago I pulled every single wiring harness out of my car to fix some of the butt connectors and other issues, and I decided to attempt to tuck my harness (the one that runs in to engine bay). It now runs under the dash and is for the most part hidden. It's by far one of the best things I've done to my car. All of my electronics work now, and my engine bay looks so much nicer. Below is possibly one of the worst Paint drawings I have ever done, but it gives you an idea of the general layout.

If I get some interest I will take some pics of my setup and better paint drawings :chuckle:

I'd like to hear some feedback from people and maybe get some ideas on pricing etc. I'm a full time, unemployed college student and I currently have $4 in my bank account. So I thought this would be a cool way to make a little extra cash.

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These are the only wires that run into the bay (besides the wipers which branch off immediately) If you don't need headlight motors it would be half that size.

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My bay. Notice the lack of huge fuse and relay boxes and battery.

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Open space on driver side

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Basic area where the fuses sit. Please excuse the butt connector, it was a temporary fix for my fuel pump switch.

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They actually tuck up into the wall behind the ECU so they aren't just hanging there. It's kind of hard to see here.

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This was the original way I routed the driver headlight wiring. I've since moved it down to be more secure and out of the way. The bundled up wire is the horn, I didn't have it hooked up yet. Those without the bumper support can run it under the radiator support like stock.

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I think people are going to want to see pictures of your work before they trust you with a $400 wiring harness. And the integrity of the cars electrical system. Maybe start off by doing some friends so you can build a small portfolio so people can see the consistancy and quality of your work. If you are gonna do this for money I sugest making a small investment in some tex-flex... https://www.wirecare.com/land_SleevingMain.asp
Its good stuff I used it on my harness and highly recomend it. Good luck man! I hope it all works out!

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For some reason I only took a few pics while I was working on installing mine, and I don't have any pics of under the dash :tisk: I can remove the dash sometime soon and snap some pics because that's where most of the action happens. It's a tight fit under there with all that extra wiring, but Everything fit back together with no problems.

I was thinking I'd make tex-flex an option to have put on. I first saw that stuff on WCs thread and it looks amazing. However, the only part of the harness that can actually be seen easily is up above the wheel well and by the headlights, so you don't really benefit from seeing how cool your tex-flex looks. I would encourage everyone to look at the harness tuck above since that was my inspiration when it was first started a year ago.

I'll see if I can snap a quick picture a little later of the harness running along the wheel well. It's about 1/4" of wires compared the the previous 1" on both sides. That means no more wheels chewing through your harness.

I wish I had a few local friends available to show off their tucked harnesses, but New Mexico isn't really big on the 240 scene so I don't have a ton of 240 friends here.

I have a spare harness in my garage, so I was thinking if I was going to start doing this I would just take a core charge, then ship out the finished harness. That also helps with downtime on your end.

If I can get a couple people interested after I put up some old pictures, I will do the spare harness I have and fit it in my car for pictures. After that I could send it out for someone to test out and review. I'll let it go cheap basically the price I paid for the harness ($60), parts ($10), and shipping($20?). That's a while down the road though, I just thought I'd gauge some interest and see how many people actually care about getting that harness out of the bay.

I just thought of this: I could only do s13s. Just so we're clear on that. I have no s14s available to test fitment or operation.

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You would also have to take into consideration what engine is in the car, Ka, Sr, Rb, etc...

I was quoted upwards $500 to get a tuck done on my car, but ended up getting it done for about half that. This included relocating the battery and a few other things as well. I'd say the demand is there, but it may be difficult to do without the car in front of you.

Post up some finished pics.

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sci2000tech wrote:You would also have to take into consideration what engine is in the car, Ka, Sr, Rb, etc...

I was quoted upwards $500 to get a tuck done on my car, but ended up getting it done for about half that. This included relocating the battery and a few other things as well. I'd say the demand is there, but it may be difficult to do without the car in front of you.

Post up some finished pics.
Well I won't be doing anything with the engine harness. For most engine installs you adapt the engine harness to fit the chassis harness. I don't know about the rb, but on my sr install didn't affect my chassis harness at all. If the rb install is different, I have a friend with an rb20 I could use as a test mule.

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Gotcha.

Sounds like it could be a good idea.

Were you able to keep your glovebox and A/C components in tact. I don't have A/C, so that gave me a ton of room for the fuse box and harness, but with A/C I'd imagine it would be a pretty tight fit.

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Got a few pictures up.
sci2000tech wrote:Gotcha.

Sounds like it could be a good idea.

Were you able to keep your glovebox and A/C components in tact. I don't have A/C, so that gave me a ton of room for the fuse box and harness, but with A/C I'd imagine it would be a pretty tight fit.
Yeah the glovebox is still fully functional. I don't have running A/C, but all the interior components are still there. It wasn't a super tight fit. I really need to take the dash off so you can see how it's routed through there. I have all the stock pieces, so no one should worry about fitment.

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Pics look good :dblthumb:

Is that a Royal Purple bottle zip tied for a coolant overflow :rotfl

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sci2000tech wrote:Pics look good :dblthumb:

Is that a Royal Purple bottle zip tied for a coolant overflow :rotfl
Haha yeah! I don't really have the model "tucked harness engine bay". I just don't like wires everywhere, my OCD comes out when I see cut wires and plugs for non-existent electronics just hanging and cluttering my engine bay while I'm trying to work in there.

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I hear ya.

At about this point, I said F it, may as well do a full tuck and fix everything.

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So all you wouldd be doing is a chassis harness tuch and not the engine harness?

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Here's some constructive criticism

-Techflex, heatshirnking, etc should be STANDARD. It's cheap and makes a hell of a difference, don't make it an option
-The stock fuse boxes are garbage, get some aftermarket fuse panels and go from there, not only room to expand, but a lot smaller
-I don't know if you're removing anything, but cut out all the unnecessary crap, there's usually wiring for things you don't even have/options. It makes a big difference in size of the harness
-The location you have might seem good, but it looks like it will be in the way of your feet/legs. What you should do is pull out the glove box, and mount the new panels back there(behind it), it will clean it up a lot

Also, since you're inquiring about people paying...it must look good! No one will pay if it looks half asses or not complete, even if it's dirty it can kill a sale. People like seeing stuff nice and neat. My advise would be do what I said above, then take some pictures, you will probably get a lot more interest that way.

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zach-Ka wrote:So all you wouldd be doing is a chassis harness tuch and not the engine harness?
Yeah, it would be really hard to do an engine harness tuck without having your motor there to test fit. There would be too many variables: What engine you're running, abs, cruise control, what intake manifold you have, etc.
omgshawn wrote:Here's some constructive criticism

-Techflex, heatshirnking, etc should be STANDARD. It's cheap and makes a hell of a difference, don't make it an option
-The stock fuse boxes are garbage, get some aftermarket fuse panels and go from there, not only room to expand, but a lot smaller
-I don't know if you're removing anything, but cut out all the unnecessary crap, there's usually wiring for things you don't even have/options. It makes a big difference in size of the harness
-The location you have might seem good, but it looks like it will be in the way of your feet/legs. What you should do is pull out the glove box, and mount the new panels back there(behind it), it will clean it up a lot

Also, since you're inquiring about people paying...it must look good! No one will pay if it looks half asses or not complete, even if it's dirty it can kill a sale. People like seeing stuff nice and neat. My advise would be do what I said above, then take some pictures, you will probably get a lot more interest that way.
Thanks for the criticism.

I solder and heatshrink everything along with the stock type sheathing where necessary. Techflex is not that cheap, and it has to be ordered. Also, I thought it was too perforated to be used outside of the cabin or engine bay. Techflex is good for engine harnesses because it keeps things flexible and isn't as ugly as the normal tubing or just having taped wires. I think having 6 feet of it under the dash is overkill, but that's up to the buyers I suppose.

I agree the stock fuseboxes suck, but some people want to keep them in the stock setup for an easy diagnoses. If someone finds a sweet aftermarket fuse box that they want put in, that's no problem at all for me. I can print out a diagram for it too. The ugliest part about the harness is the stock fusebox because they are old and dirty and there's a mass of wires going in and out of it. Even with organization in the back it's hard to get it to look nice.

I can remove anything. I removed a ton of stuff on mine: ac wiring, abs, etc. And that isn't just clipping and taping wires, I completely removed the pins on the SMJ and took the wires out. That would for sure be an option to anyone.

The picture above is with the fuse box pulled out of its normal position. With everything in place it sits behind the ecu and you can fit the kick panel over it like stock. You can't see anything with that panel in place. If you have the blower motor in your car still, there is zero room behind the glovebox. You can barely fit the harness between the glove box and blower motor.

I could take any kind of special request from a buyer as long as it doesn't involve adding things I don't have available. I don't have a supply of special connectors and I can't wire up alarms or anything like that unless I have some detailed diagrams of where you want it and what connections need to be made. If you wanted it routed differently, that would be fine too as long as I can test fit it on my car.

When I have some free time I'll fix up the extra harness I have and take some pics of the install in my car. I can tell there's at least a little bit of interest in this. I'm not trying to make a living, it's just something fun that I can do to make a little extra cash. And there wouldn't be a huge price tag on it either. I'd have to sit and think about how long it takes me to do it, cost of supplies, and shipping but it certainly wouldn't be close to $500 as mentioned above.

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sci2000tech wrote:I hear ya.

At about this point, I said F it, may as well do a full tuck and fix everything.
That's a good looking car you've got there. You would benifit from getting all those wires out of that nice engine bay :chuckle:

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The biggest thing that would appeal to me is if you gaurenteed your work. I know thats a slippery slope but i would expect you to fix anything that was different after the tuck

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zachattack_5491 wrote:
That's a good looking car you've got there. You would benifit from getting all those wires out of that nice engine bay :chuckle:

Thanks man.

I would take you up on your offer, but I already got my tuck done :naughty:

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I just finished up the engine harness today, so there are a few more wires than in this pic but you get the idea.

I paid a bit more then what you're asking too and have seen people pay $500+, so I'd say your price is more than fair. Since I had my tuck done at Ace up motorsports, they have probably done wiring on at least half a dozen other cars. I think the demand is there when the price is reasonable.

OK, I'm done thread jacking with my pics now :gapteeth:

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J14cm7 wrote:The biggest thing that would appeal to me is if you gaurenteed your work. I know thats a slippery slope but i would expect you to fix anything that was different after the tuck
I understand that. I mean obviously I'm not running an official business here and you can't file complaints or any of that, but I've done quite a few sales on Nico. I'm an honest guy and if I truly make a mistake I would do my best to fix it. I wouldn't really want to just throw all my info up on a public forum, but anyone who would do business with me would have all my info and could easily reach me if there was a problem. I think if I was going to do this, I would have to put up an ad in the fabricator's market and get the OKAY from all the main guys in charge. I think the main reason for that is so that they can make sure we aren't scamming people on Nico.
sci2000tech wrote:

Thanks man.

I would take you up on your offer, but I already got my tuck done :naughty:


I just finished up the engine harness today, so there are a few more wires than in this pic but you get the idea.

I paid a bit more then what you're asking too and have seen people pay $500+, so I'd say your price is more than fair. Since I had my tuck done at Ace up motorsports, they have probably done wiring on at least half a dozen other cars. I think the demand is there when the price is reasonable.

OK, I'm done thread jacking with my pics now :gapteeth:
That looks awesome! Well i'm glad you got it done. Keep up the good work :dblthumb:


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