Winter Tires -TPMS & Wheel Questions (2nd Gen)

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Winter Tires -TPMS & Wheel Questions (2nd Gen)

Postby outtolearn88 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:41 am

Hello Everyone, My first Nissan car. 2014 Rogue SL AWD Premium.
I'm looking into getting a set of winter tires & wheels. Wondering about the TPMS valves, Can they be reset by me or is it a "DEALER" only job ? Can't find much info for the 2014 model. Can a second set of 4 valves be learned by the car and just be reset a each wheel change over by me ? Is this like a "DEALER" only job because it will take a dedicated scan-tool ?

Any information would be greatly appreciated . ;) Thank You
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Re: Winter tires & wheels

Postby ImStricken06 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:00 am

you dont need to relearn them. they will reset after a few miles. and your car can only hold 4 codes(so no extra sets).

and you dont need them. i had winter rims/tires for my g37s, and regular tire valves. the light stayed on, but no big deal. once spring came around, i installed the summer rims/tires = and the tpms reset itself after a few miles.

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby outtolearn88 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:20 am

Thanks for the info, but this might not apply to the 2014 Rogue. Because the TPMS system is completely new to this vehicle or so I was told. Like I said before having a hard time getting information on this. I've been told different by several tire & wheel shop's. Still not happy at the taught of having the warning light on all winter (almost 5 months here).
Hope some one with the same 2014 Rogue can share there experience.

Would there not be a way we could do the reset ourself ?
Like by the wire grounding technique of some other Nissan & Infiniti vehicles ??

Thanks for the info ;)

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby yi_dennis » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:15 am

I swapped my rims with non TPMS for winter and switched back to OEM for summer. The TPMS seems to work with the OEM, but its about 1psi higher than compared to my tire gauge. I also noticed the easy fill does not work, so maybe it does need to be reprogrammed.

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby outtolearn88 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:58 am

Can I ask you have a 2014 Rogue ?

Thanks

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby yi_dennis » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:27 am

Yes its 2014 Rogue.

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby outtolearn88 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:22 pm

All right. Keep us updated if there's any change, as if you do have to get them reprogramed to make the easy fill work.

Thank You, greatly appreciated.

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby dave08902 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:56 pm

They make clone able TPMS sensors. They copy your existing sensor ID and then program it to a new sensor. When you switch between summer and winter your car always see's the correct sensor data. Napa sells clone able sensors and they will go out to your car to read the ID with a TPMS programmer and then program a new clone sensor. No more TPMS light

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby outtolearn88 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:59 pm

Wow ! Nice idea. Will look into if available here in Canada for the 2014 Rogue.

Thanks, much appreciated.

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby outtolearn88 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Hello again Everyone, Not much luck.... Seems like the TPMS on the 2014 Rogue are all new ! No clone model available yet...... Or so they tell me.

Has anyone had any luck finding a model ?

Any input appreciated, Thank You

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Re: TPMS Question (swapping rims)

Postby dave08902 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:00 pm

I checked Parts.nissan.com and all the sensors from 2008 to 2014 have the same part number. They just don't have the listing in their TPMS reader yet and they didn't get the updated fitment list. All you need to do is go back to the store and ask them to set their TPMS scan tool for a 2013 or lower and see if they can read the sensors. If they can read the sensor then it has the same communication protocol and they can program a sensor for you with the same ID. My buddy has done this several times in his shop.

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Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby scottadamsmith » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:18 am

I am considering getting a new set of wheels/winter tires, but for the cost factor, would like to skip the TPMS sensors on them. I know there will at least be a light on the dash due to them being missing, but does anyone know if this is a constant light or a blinking light? Also, does it chirp at you similar to some of the other warnings like low fuel? Trying to gauge the level of annoyance and whether I can deal with it.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby RyleyinSTL » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:56 pm

Constant warning light in the cluster plus warning message in the center LCD. If your willing to spend money on 4 new tires and wheels why not spend the little bit extra to add in TPMS?

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby scottadamsmith » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:16 am

Thanks for the info. Does that warning message do the little chirp similar to the low fuel warning?

Regarding spending the extra money: On Tire Rack, I am out the door for under $700 for winter tires + rims, mounted and balanced. To add additional TPMS, it's another $430. That money pays for 2/3 of the cost of another set of winter tires + rims for my wife's Accord. If these can be had cheaper, I might consider it, but the one's on my parent's minivan corroded and had to be replaced at 60k, so they don't seem like something I want to invest more and more money into. Especially for the tires that are going to see the most snow/salt.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby nav2014 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:55 am

Timely discussion. I was looking at costing for winter tires with steel rims up here in Toronto. Cheapest I could find was Bridgestone Blizzak WS80 for $1000 installed at Costco. Did not think about this TPMS thing as I just got this vehicle. So how does it work, are these sensors installed on the tire valve ?

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby muffy514 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:55 am

I live in Montreal, QC and we have a mandatory Winter Tire Law which is slightly annoying but overall a good thing.

I bought my tires off tirerack.com and had them shipped to a business at the border in Champlain NY. I bought high end Good Year Ultra Grip Ice WRT's for about $500 all said and done.

I had purchase TPMS for my CR-V and spent about $100 on ebay. Needless to say I was very upset when I found out the cost of the TPMS from the dealer being over $90 a wheel. I then was even more upset when i found out there are no aftermarket sensors for the car to date.

After a little research I discovered (and confirmed with dealer) the part number for the TPMS if 40700-3VU0A it is often listed without the dash 407003VU0A. I tried finding these sensors on eBay just listing my year and model but could not find anything at all. Searching with that part with no dash pulled up some hits however the prices were still high.

After a couple weeks of checking daily i found some used sensors for only $60 on eBay. I wasnt too worried about them being used as they seem to be only used on the newer Generation of Rogue so they are most likely less than a year old. I have not installed them yet so I cannot confirm they work, but I did my research and confirmed with the dealer they are the correct part.

Here is the link from ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Nissan-407003 ... 43&vxp=mtr

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:12 pm

Hello muffy514, First, Good on you for doing all that research. I've been at it myself but don't come to the same conclusion...... As from what I've learned the 2014 Select Rogue, witch in fact is a 2013 model carrier over is the one with TPMS # 40700-3VU0A. A 355 MGhz model. We on the new 2014 Rogue have the 433 MGHz model. So as to my research there's no clone model available yet. So if you end up spending the $$$ as took get the OEM originals, you'll still be stuck as to have them reprogrammed at each tire change. That is because the vehicle can only hold in memory 4 TMPS codes. So for now I have decided to wait and see what will become available at a reasonable price and as not to pay at each wheel change over for programming.

Good Luck and pplease keep us updated..... ( Kinda hope I'm wrong on the info I have been given....LOL)

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby andygold » Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:22 pm

I contacted Schrader as i thought i read that they supplied Nissan with the TPMS tire valves for the 2015 Rogue. The gentleman from Schrader replied that they do not supply the valves for this vehicle. He didn't know who supplies the valves for the 2015, but he believed that the valves for the 2014 were supplied by Siemens. I haven't had time to verify this, but just passing it along as it may help in locating the proper part without having to pay dealer prices.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby yi_dennis » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:39 am

So when you change from Summer rims and tires to Winter rims and tires, does the tpms have to be reprogrammed each change over?

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:40 am

Short answer : Yes on the new 2014 + models

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby nav2014 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:38 pm

What if I don't buy rims for Winter tires and just put them on Summer tire rims. Do I still need to do this re-programming thing at the dealership ? That is a PITA and something that had I known 10 days back before buying Rogue would have avoided like plague. That is a very expensive technology for just knowing the tire pressure. Thanks but no thanks, I can still put myself a calendar reminder to check tire pressure every 1st day of the month, the old fashioned way and avoid buying all this specialized equipment and setup.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:31 pm

If you keep the same original mags then NO NEED to reprogram. The vehicle can only hold 4 TPMS codes in it's memory at once. That's why I'm waiting till the new generation of clone able models come to market (433MgHz). Yes new technologies can be a bit of a pain ( $$$ grab more) at the start of a new or redesign vehicle.

Will just sit it out and wait for now.......

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby ashwinde » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:03 am

This is a timely discussion. I recently purchased a 2014 Rogue SL and was shopping around for winter tires. I would like to forgo the TPMS sensors on my winter tires due to the cost. However, the dealer service lady said that the TPMS system is required for proper ABS and Stability control operation for all 2014+ Rogue models. Is that really the case or just bull?

Secondly, does anyone know if a qualified mechanic (other than dealer) is able to reprogram the TPMS system at every tire change?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby aborres » Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:02 am

nav2014 wrote:Timely discussion. I was looking at costing for winter tires with steel rims up here in Toronto. Cheapest I could find was Bridgestone Blizzak WS80 for $1000 installed at Costco. Did not think about this TPMS thing as I just got this vehicle. So how does it work, are these sensors installed on the tire valve ?
I'm in Mississauga and I have the 2014 Rogue SV AWD w/ family package. I bought the Blizzak WS80s and the steel rims from Costco and when Costco put the tires on the rims, they also installed TPMS sensors (Item# 562517 - 7001 Redi Sensors w/ Snap) for $38.99 each and no additional charges for installation. Costco offers free lifetime tire changeovers and that includes free TPMS resetting. I don't know if the sensors work because they said they can't program it until they install the wheels on the car (I carried the new wheels w/ TPMS + tires in the trunk).

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:46 am

Hello aborres, Can you please tell us is your Rogue the New 2014 model or the 2013 carryover 2014 Select model ? Because Costco here in Quebec has no TPMS to offer for the 2014 model as I was told ????

Thank You for your response.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby aborres » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:24 am

outtolearn88 wrote:Hello aborres, Can you please tell us is your Rogue the New 2014 model or the 2013 carryover 2014 Select model ? Because Costco here in Quebec has no TPMS to offer for the 2014 model as I was told ????

Thank You for your response.
I have the new 2014 SV AWD with Family Tech package. I did further research and it looks like the TPMS frequency of the ones Costco installed in my wheels is 315 MHZ. As Outtolearn88 mentioned above, the 2014 TPMS uses 433MHZ. Now I'm seriously doubting that it is the correct sensor. I will only know once Costco installs the wheels to my car. Thank goodness for Costco's excellent return policy.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:25 pm

Yup, I think they messed up on your TPMS install. Let us know how it works out.
Thanks for the update.

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby scottadamsmith » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:12 am

When you add tires/wheels on tirerack.com it recommends the 433 sensors for the 2014 Rogue. Bummer because when you said Costco put them in for that price, that is about 1/3 of the cost of the ones on tirerack, so I was ready to go get a membership for that alone (assuming they price match tirerack on the rest)

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby outtolearn88 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:04 am

Yes it's a BUMMER........ We just have to wait it out sometimes. I'm sure there will be a clonable version of the valves soon. You all keep us updated here on the forum. We can all share our information & experiences.

Thanks everyone !

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Re: Winter Tires - foregoing TPMS (2014)

Postby memyself » Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:43 am

Just got four used sensors from eBay, the frequency on it says 433 Mhz. That means they should be working fine right?


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