Well K-Car, remember once you gave a few links that reviewed the Nordfrost IIs? One of them had a guy talking about how he didn't go with the Blizzaks because they were not capable of being studded, unlike the Nordfrosts, whose studded performance he praised, but he said that if they didn't have studs they were probably not as good as the Blizzaks (at least while the outer "spongy-ice-defying" layer on the Blizzaks wasn't worn down).
I wouldn't know for sure myself never even had a car before this summer, but once again the Nordfrosts are a little expensive, and looking for them on google gave me a bunch of Russian links (which is ok, cuz I can read them, but not ok since they would all be located in Russia, hence negating their usefulness to me), so I'm not even sure they come in the 195/60/16 size. Thanks for your tips though, when I have more money, I'll look into the unpronouceables...
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