windows vista's revenge

[brizanden]

lmao windows totally pwned peoplehttp://www.mojaveexperiment.com/?WT.srch=1#i personally love vista and dont get how people say its crap. Get a dec machine ( it really is a demanding os i know) and some good spyware protection (which you should have for any os) and your set i think. i think it has lots of good features especially for the average user. now i am in no way sayin it is the best os but best mainstream os imo.

[240Knightrider]

That is until your wireless device decides it wants to receiving signals...

and it says the service is started when its really not...

and the only way to fix the problem according to Microsoft is to reload vista...

XP for me for now

[240Knightrider]

Not trying to bash your post. But there are legitimate reasons for not liking Vista yet.

[brizanden]

^other then ur comp not being to handle it fully please feel free to list some. im in no way bashing your post and i would really like to see what you have to say.

[240Knightrider]

^other then ur comp not being to handle it fully please feel free to list some. im in no way bashing your post and i would really like to see what you have to say.

wow..for one thing, my computer can handle it. Secondly it was a customers computer. And you can google the known issues yourself.

Are you going to say this cant handle vista?? http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc....html

I love how you just assume my computer cant handle it. I run a computer repair shop..do you seriously think I use a brick to handle my stuff?

I think you took what I said all wrong. Vista is great operating system, and I repect Microsoft 100%. Im not Calling Vista Crap, but it does have problems that outway the worth of having it. Thats why people complain about it.


Modified by 240Knightrider at 2:09 PM 8/24/2008

[brizanden]

lol dudeeee. chill i think you took what i said wrong. i didnt mean you personally i meant your as a general statement of someones computer not being able to handle it. sorry for the confusion.

edit: and no that computer would be fine i would assume, but most non gaming or extreme laptops do have abit of a slow problem when it comes to vista. the cpu is a bit lacking, but nothing a little ocing cant fix. also i dont know much about laptop gpu's, but im gonna assume it is a bit sup par on that particular notebook and vista is quite graphically demanding. Anyway i wasnt attacking you dude i do sincerly apologize for making it seem like that. Could you please link me tho to some terrible vista problems i seem to have never experienced?

[240Knightrider]

lol dudeeee. chill i think you took what i said wrong. i didnt mean you personally i meant your as a general statement of someones computer not being able to handle it. sorry for the confusion.

edit: and no that computer would be fine i would assume, but most non gaming or extreme laptops do have abit of a slow problem when it comes to vista. the cpu is a bit lacking, but nothing a little ocing cant fix. also i dont know much about laptop gpu's, but im gonna assume it is a bit sup par on that particular notebook and vista is quite graphically demanding. Anyway i wasnt attacking you dude i do sincerly apologize for making it seem like that. Could you please link me tho to some terrible vista problems i seem to have never experienced?

nah man, im chile no worries

I think the biggest problem was the fact that most computer companies were trying to sell Vista with computers with only 512mb memory. Which we all know, doesnt work to well. Ive had so many computers come in that needed more memory.

I didnt take it as an attack, no im not linking any. Just google: common vista problems and you will have your list.

My main point is yeah vista is good, but people do have a point when they say they dont like it.

[brizanden]

most common problem i found was hardware not working or driver problems. those are old and problems most stuff has been updated to work with vista. at the time when vista was relatively new yeah of course there are gonna be little problems with older hardware or drivers not being available for vista.Another one i saw often was vista seems to have a problem with firewire devieces once it goes into hibernation.... well personally i dont own a single fire wire deviece. usb 2.0 works just fine, and i consider myself a very techy person so if a big comp nerd doesnt use firewire who the **** really does?A major one seems to be adobe reader being a ***** to instal if you turn uac off but i just installed it when i first set up my comp and then turned UAC off and adobe works fine for me.Lstly i hear itunes was a ***** intially with vista but i never experienced any problems with it crashing so it most have been an intial thing.Please feel free to list some more.edit: and as for the UAC itself i dont really mind it now, but it was abit annoying at first. i think the reason they made it seems pretty logical tho although microsoft seems to be putting the punishment on the wrong group. read here http://arstechnica.com/news.ar....html

[TheArkitekt]

I dont like the way vista emulates hardware failure. Mostly in networking, then all the sudden, bam it works. magic. not really but ok, ill stay with XP for now

[brizanden]

^huh. your post was not really an understandable sentence. please expand on that.

[Looneybomber]

I love how Vista fails to correctly recognize my U3 flash drive and how it depicts state judicial software, used to read encripted court documents, as a threat and will not open/run the program...don't ask me how I know.

Oh I also loves how it tries to do everything useless you can think of, that way it sucks up all your available memory. I mean seriously? Why!? I want a frickin coffee, not a double grande, half skim, half soy, mocha-cappu-caramel-latte-float, for 6.50. Give me a damn black coffee for .25! Keep your Vista and give me a 64 bit version of XP.

[brizanden]

I love how Vista fails to correctly recognize my U3 flash drive and how it depicts state judicial software, used to read encripted court documents, as a threat and will not open/run the program...don't ask me how I know.

Oh I also loves how it tries to do everything useless you can think of, that way it sucks up all your available memory. I mean seriously? Why!? I want a frickin coffee, not a double grande, half skim, half soy, mocha-cappu-caramel-latte-float, for 6.50. Give me a damn black coffee for .25! Keep your Vista and give me a 64 bit version of XP.

i have no clue why it doesnt recognize ur U3 flash drive as it understands my cruzer micro fine. And how am i supposed to know why it wont read encrypted doruments.... prol casue they are encrypted.

[240Knightrider]

Well there you have it.

Drivers was an understandable issue. But the issues that are still there are more advanced and not worth the time of us IT guys to work around when XP works Perfectly for what we want.

As for encrypted...i have encrypted files and Xp reads them just fine. Just have to decrypt them first..and im pretty sure LooneyBomber knows how to do that.

[brizanden]

yeah well i have everything new so my vista works excellent and i dont need to decrypt files so i give it lol. I think it is a far more useful os if your not having issues, but there are always people who resist change.

[MinisterofDOOM]

nah man, im chile no worries

Greetings, Chile. I'm Luxembourg.

^other then ur comp not being to handle it fully please feel free to list some. im in no way bashing your post and i would really like to see what you have to say.

Vista is unnecessary, that's what's wrong with it. Or, rather, it WOULD be unnecessary, if Microsoft hadn't engineered it's release so meticulously. With it's DX10 exclusivity and the EXTREMELY premature ceasing of support for XP, Vista is being forced onto the market instead of being allowed to phase in properly over time. This poses a LOT of problems on a LOT of levels for a LOT of different types of customers.

When XP came out, for comparison, people with older machines were safe sticking with 98SE (which was superior and much more dependable and stable for a while, arguably until SP2, especially for people trying to run older software). Those people were able to take their time adopting XP, or simply not upgrade. No such luxury, now. If you want a new machine, you have to go Vista, even if you'd prefer XP for it's lighter weight as it were.

But it's not just people buying new machines that loose out, either. Since XP is no longer supported, corporate software is being pushed to make the move to Vista. And if developers are only developing for Vista, that means companies running that software must also upgrade. And once again you run into that same problem: instead of being able to gradually switch over, these companies must make the change en-masse. And in some cases that means upgrading or replacing machines to do so.

Going back to the 98-XP changeover and SP2 from above:Vista isn't at "SP2" yet. It hasn't reached the point where it discards the major functional disadvantages that are a side effect of still being in the early stages. Microsoft is doing it backward: you're supposed to let the early adopters help you find the kinks, sort them out, and THEN go full-steam ahead. But the kinks are still there in large number and you don't get any more full-steam ahead than being the only choice.

Also, as far as actual functional problems, the ONLY people I ever hear say Vista is okay (usually their statements are something like "Vista doesn't deserve it's bad rap") are ultra-casual PC users who do little more than look at pictures, surf the web, and email friends. EVERYONE else hates the OS for it's compatibility issues, it's shortage of functional drivers, it's increased memory usage among many other things.

I love how Vista fails to correctly recognize my U3 flash drive

I HATE U3. A terrible idea. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and it makes what should be an ultra-super-extremely simple task fantastically overcomplicated. WHY on earth does my flash drive need to emulate a CD ROM? Why can't it just be a damn flash drive?And I don't want floating icons and superfulous imitation start menus hogging my desktop. And I CERTAINLY don't want superfluous software hogging memory (both flash and RAM). U3's argument for "portability" is ridiculous...install a program on a flash drive and run it on any computer. It'll work WITHOUT U3 and WITHOUT a special U3 variant. Because that's how modern OSs work. That's why we have things like DirectX.

What annoys me even more is that Sandisk requires you to fill out a survey to tell them why you want to uninstall U3 from your disk before you can even download the uninstaller...which then proceeds to simply format the disk (erasing ALL data!) instead of just uninstalling the damn useless program like an uninstaller is supposed to do.

http://www.xanga.com/Ministero....html

[Looneybomber]

i have no clue why it doesnt recognize ur U3 flash drive as it understands my cruzer micro fine. And how am i supposed to know why it wont read encrypted doruments.... prol casue they are encrypted.

It doesn't support the Judicial software that reads the documents. It's treatment of it is boarderline to a virus by means of quarantining (sp) it.

I HATE U3. A terrible idea. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and it makes what should be an ultra-super-extremely simple task fantastically overcomplicated. WHY on earth does my flash drive need to emulate a CD ROM? Why can't it just be a damn flash drive?

Oh, I use it just like a normal flash drive. Plug it in, pull it out. However, it doesn't recognize any programs within the U3 software side - no biggie. But the major programs I use - WinISD - will not close because it will always fails to read some address, which forces me to ctrl+alt+delete it.

[brizanden]

i agree with the u3 thing. i dont like it at all either. i dont need some of my space hogged on a flash drive so it can show me a pretty menu. its a storage device not a game. and you cant even delete the crap off the cruzer ones, but i use it anyway lol. and iguess i have exxperienced some problems with vista when running gnu code. actual some serious ones, but i just got pissed off at gnu instead of vista lol. idk i seriously like vista, and will stick with it cause i know it will only get better.i wanna try out Ubuntu i think its called. the one where your desktop is a cube. i heard you can do crazy things with that.

[240Knightrider]

I use PNY...never any crap installed.

[PoorManQ45]

Interestingly enough I'm actually running Vista Ultimate 64bit on both of our self built gaming machines.

On BOTH systems I noticed an improvement in FPS in games, and higher MBps read/writes with HDTach.

Oh, and due to it being a true 64bit os the os responds EXTREMELY fast relative to 32bit version.

I'm running 4GB on both machines(thinking of going to 8).

Both machines are running with Page File turned OFF, and the OS Kernal is forced to load into memory. Everything in the OS actually loads extremely fast.

Startup time with programs fully loaded is under 30 seconds.

Shutdown is ~10 seconds

Vista is honestly not bad when configured properly.

[pflicht]

Vista is honestly not bad when configured properly.

QFT

BUT... You SHOULDN'T have to do nearly as much configuring as Vista requires for an OS to run properly...

But im OS-bi... I LOVE XP, and Im really liking Vista Ultimate (32bit and 64bit)