Will The US Invade Pakistan

[WDRacing]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...istan

As if everyone in the world didn't know, Pakistan is a safe haven terrorlst factions. Is Pakistan next on the list? Will we back Isrial when they attack Iran.

Just something I know from personal experience. I spent 6 years in the Pacifac theatre playing various roles ranging from DMZ enforcement to Combat SAR. There are terrorsist factions in Thailand, the Philipines, Korea, Malaysia and China.

I know from intel reports that there are terrorlst factions in ALL of the Middle East countries...ALL. Perhaps the US should start the draft and invade the world...so we can install democracy and insure our personal freedoms once and for all.

WD

[rn79870]

One big problem. Pakistan is a nuclear power. There is no question about their WMD's.

[WDRacing]

Agreed...so if Pakistan is going to harbor terrorists and we can't invade because they are a nuclear power what are we to do next?

Also, any country has a right to be a nuclear power IMO. Just like any country has the right to manufacture chemical weapons. I only say this because WE are a nuclear power and WE have enough chemical weapons to lay waste to the entire middle east basically over night.

I just fear for my kids...we're a war mongering society. War breeds hate and right now just about everyone on the planet thinks the US is a war mongering nation.

[rn79870]

And you are correct with that post Brian. The problem is not unlike Bruce Lee in a spelling bee. All that training, all those assets, and the leaders won't be able to use them. One small nuke in one place and the world would be a different place today. It's like the big kid that doesn't fight back in school. Every little tard wants to flex his muscle and look like a hero. The day the big kid lays one on the nose of a little pest, the problem is over.

The only problem with my theory is who deserves 100,000 deaths?

[WDRacing]

Well...100,000 is an understatement even for a low yield nuke if it's placed with any type of advantageous discretion. But the point is the same...any loss of life is a bad thing IMO.

We have been playing offense for so long now...I wonder what would happen if we just played defense instead.

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I'm wondering...are WE the little pest?

[audtatious]

We are the only ones to use an atomic-style bomb. We have also shown to be responsible enough not to use them again. Would you trust Ali Abdul the suicide b0mber with a nuke? I sure would not because he/they would probably use it at some point because they don't value others lives.

The more countries that have nuke technology, the more chances there are for a nuke to go off somewhere or it to be used in war or due to religious ideologies.

[rn79870]

And that is exactly right. At least with Israel the terrorlst know that retaliation is certain, swift and direct. With the US, the terrorlst probably laugh at our inability to find even one moron like Osama.

We can thank Carter for enacting legislation/directives forbidding the CIA from "surgically removing" evil leaders. One Marine sniper could save the world.

[AZhitman]

We can thank Carter for enacting legislation/directives forbidding the CIA from "surgically removing" evil leaders. One Marine sniper could save the world.

...and I'd trade EVERY nuke we own for a reversal of THAT retarded decision.

[audtatious]

And that is exactly right. At least with Israel the terrorlst know that retaliation is certain, swift and direct. With the US, the terrorlst probably laugh at our inability to find even one moron like Osama.

We can thank Carter for enacting legislation/directives forbidding the CIA from "surgically removing" evil leaders. One Marine sniper could save the world.

Black Ops would work. Of course, then we would be further imposing our will against other countries and we can't have that. Without those people then who would we war monger against?

[WDRacing]

We are the only ones to use an atomic-style bomb. We have also shown to be responsible enough not to use them again. Would you trust Ali Abdul the suicide b0mber with a nuke? I sure would not because he/they would probably use it at some point because they don't value others lives.

The more countries that have nuke technology, the more chances there are for a nuke to go off somewhere or it to be used in war or due to religious ideologies.

By saying another country can't have nuclear technology you are saying it's ok to rob that country of a powerful energy resource. Since one goes hand in hand with the other...

I'm not FOR allowing other countries to become nuclear threats, I just fail to see how we can say they can't. What right do we have...

Yeah bad things happen...but that doesn't qualify our right to impose our will on foreign nations. That simply makes us the bad guy. If you have intel that says Ali the ARAB has a nuke, then by all means take that dude out. But until then we can't just march around imposing our idea's on an entire country just because a threat could eventually be there. That is pretty close to Nazi Germany...we're just not executing a race.

You guys know where I stand on Covert Ops...we should green light everyone on the CIA's watch list.

[audtatious]

Wait...

Now, where did I say anything about energy use?

[AZhitman]

Brian's been drinking again.

What right do I have to sucker-punch some clown who slaps a woman in public? None. Will I? Hell yeah.

Imposition of our will on a nation is no different than imposition of our will on an individual, than it is on a group of individuals, than it is on a group of individuals who represent a nation.

"Ali" has a nuke, but he's the leader of the nation. His followers will carry on his actions if you take him out. Therefore, "one shot one kill" does us no good. There must be a full-scale intervention with troops on the ground.Oh, wait - that's what we did.

[WDRacing]

Wait...

Now, where did I say anything about energy use?

So it's ok to have nuclear plants? Perhaps I'm in error here, but plants lead to the easy production of plutonium. If I'm wrong then I retract that statement.

Brian's been drinking again.

What right do I have to sucker-punch some clown who slaps a woman in public? None. Will I? Hell yeah.

Imposition of our will on a nation is no different than imposition of our will on an individual, than it is on a group of individuals, than it is on a group of individuals who represent a nation.

"Ali" has a nuke, but he's the leader of the nation. His followers will carry on his actions if you take him out. Therefore, "one shot one kill" does us no good. There must be a full-scale intervention with troops on the ground.Oh, wait - that's what we did.

I'm not drinking again Greg. Protecting a women from being abused right in front of you is your civic duty. Not to mention the fact that the guy abusing his wife/gf is breaking the law.

By your train of thought we need to invade every country that has terrorists and every country that is nuclear that is not a part of NATO. Since every nation has terrorists it must be the entire nation that comes under siege from the almighty United States. That's a real easy place to stand when you're not the one deploying bro. What about the people that have been deploying since 91?

You show me a leader that will actually invade, kill everyone and come home and I'll support that ideal. Not this...go over drive around until fired upon or a bomb explodes ****. Show me the village or city where the terrorists are, drop in a blue82 and move on to the next objective. Because until we use those types of tactics, we're simply going to be at war forever. Which is the only thing I'm against.

I want our troops to be able to take a friggin break. We're out of money Greg...we're cutting 12,000 more people from just the USAF next year. We're combining career fields and they are actually entertaining the thought of combining the Army and USAF again because they don't have the resources to support two different services.

So something has got to give man...I'm all for killing every person that even thinks badly about America. But we are friggin killing ourselves in the process.

We have Nukes sitting underground wasting away...**** it...drop a few of them dudes, take the oil, put up some Walmarts and a Disney Land. That wills secure our borders, give us valuable resources and no one can actually stop us.

That or come home...

[AZhitman]

I don't disagree, but there's just as much non-war-related "gov't waste" as there is war-related.

Hell, half my buddies at the local base do nothing all day but surf the web - you know this.

The folks who have been deploying since 91 reupped and will likely retire at 38 with sweet bennies for life.

I don't feel sorry for them one bit, they have that **** figured out.

[audtatious]

So it's ok to have nuclear plants? Perhaps I'm in error here, but plants lead to the easy production of plutonium. If I'm wrong then I retract that statement.

I have no issues with them having nuke energy as long as some governing body is monitoring the spent materials and those same countries are not trying to create materials for bombs

[rn79870]

If you want to see what the CIA can do to screw with an enemy, readThe Secret War Against Hanoi: The untold story of spies, saboteurs and covert warriors in North Vietnam. Richard H. Shultz, Jr. 1999

Psychops and misinformation is a very powerful tool. I only hope the CIA is as active today as they were then. (Yes, we were active in North Vietnam during the war). An interesting read to say the least.

[WDRacing]

Kate is one them except she'll be 39...

Gov spending where the Mil is concerned is so grossly fvcked up Greg. I'll never argue that one bro. We deployed to the P.I. once and brought a C5 full of deicing fluid and other crap for a cold weather long term Op. It costs 1.5 million to deploy a C5...the weather in the PI was oh...97ish every day.

That's just one little error...basically a drop in the ocean...lol.

This is also not taking into account the problems that alot of these guys are coming home with. PTSD like crazy...look at Mike, that dude is one step from homicide on any given Sunday.

Without all the misappropriation you're still spending over a billion a day in Iraq/Afgan right now. With the dollar value tanking and gas/food prices going up. I honestly think we are screwing the pooch here man...and badly.

While we're talking about retirement. They also want to implement the 62 year old requirement to actually receive your financial benefits. You can have health care but you don't get your 50% until you're 62. So all the guys that are Infantry need to find jobs just to live. Yeah they make great cops and security...but how many of those jobs are there?

I dunno whats happening to this great country Greg...but it scares me.

[AZhitman]

If you want to see what the CIA can do to screw with an enemy, readThe Secret War Against Hanoi: The untold story of spies, saboteurs and covert warriors in North Vietnam. Richard H. Shultz, Jr. 1999

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