will 3gen. Q be as reliable/durable as our 1gen. Q ?
will 3gen. Q be as reliable/durable as our 1gen. Q ?
My 91Q with 132kmi. is running great , but I started thinking...I want to drive it for another year , and then maybe give it to my daughter when she turns 16 .You guys think 3gen. Q ( 2002 and up ) will be as good as our beloved 1 gen. ? I am talking from the quality , engineering , reliability , durability stand point . Obviously , it has the performance aspect covered .Also , you think it will be less / more expensive to maintain over the long haul ?Probabely the M45 falls under the same category .
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Repair cost are a function of moving gadgets. The problem is manufacturers have had to hold the line on costs and give more features at the same time.
The sweet spots of the entire Q line was 1993, 1995 and 2001 as it is with all brands just before they change designs and models.....the bulk of the bugs have been worked out.
If the 2003 Q stays the same for a while but they really haven't sold many.........I'll bet they haven't sold 8,000 since launch in 2001.......every year from 90-95 they sold more than that, some years almost double-15,000.
The sweet spots of the entire Q line was 1993, 1995 and 2001 as it is with all brands just before they change designs and models.....the bulk of the bugs have been worked out.
If the 2003 Q stays the same for a while but they really haven't sold many.........I'll bet they haven't sold 8,000 since launch in 2001.......every year from 90-95 they sold more than that, some years almost double-15,000.
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Re: will 3gen. Q be as reliable/durable as our 1gen. Q ?
I think the first Generation Q45 (G50) was designed in the 1980s when Japan was really booming, and expense of manufacturing and maintenance was secondary to the quality and excellence of the product. Now, everyone, except maybe BMW, who produces upper end luxury sedans for the masses is decontenting and dumbing down their offerings. I dont' think we will ever see another G50 nor a VH45DE from Nissan because of the economic realties of the marketplace.yidal8 wrote:You guys think 3gen. Q ( 2002 and up ) will be as good as our beloved 1 gen. ? I am talking from the quality , engineering , reliability , durability stand point.
I think Dennis nailed it again, although I would include the initial 1990 Q45s despite their flaws as they were revolutionary in performance for the times.Q45tech wrote:The sweet spots of the entire Q line was 1993, 1995 and 2001 as it is with all brands just before they change designs and models.....the bulk of the bugs have been worked out.
All said, would I rather drive a LS430, G430 or a Q45, M45? I would stay with Nissan. The compelling thing for me being I hate maintaining belt camshaft drives. It will be interesting to see how the sealed transmissions last. Maybe just the cost of driving a new luxury car.
The late second generation 1999-2001 Q45s (Q41s?) are the daily driver sleepers. Bulletproof is seen often in describing them. Not "modable", but then those people should really get a pre 1996 integra or civic.
So , the consensus so far is : NO , but there isn't anything better out there . you also seem to think that gen.3 will not become to be considered 'bulletproof' like gen.2 . Why? , gen.2 also shows a lot of cost cutting , compared to gen.1 .I will stay with Infiniti anyway , and get a certified preowned , just like I did with my 91Q . The question is what to get :Q,M,G,FX . I liked driving all of them , and could probabely live with any of them .This is not easy .
I think the current generation Q (orM) is an incredible value both new and of course (perhaps even more so) used.reliabilty is difficult to predict but keep in mind that in todays dollars the '94 Q was actaully more than the current Q selss for.
Again great value, (and the best headlights in industry).
Fred...
Again great value, (and the best headlights in industry).
Fred...
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Consider that the chassis and suspension of the second and third generation Qs are essentially identical. The second generation has a VH as opposed to a VK block, and the transmission can be flushed.yidal8 wrote:you also seem to think that gen.3 will not become to be considered 'bulletproof' like gen.2 . Why? , gen.2 also shows a lot of cost cutting , compared to gen.1 .
The jury is out on the third generation Q45. Look, it wasn't until 2001 that I could determine (with the invaluable help of this board, its predecessors and Q45tech in particular) that 1995 (or slightly less so, 1994 because of the one additional year's greater depreciation) was the model year to obtain a low mileage, well maintained Q45 in my case. That was six years after it was last produced.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t
This is comforting...
Image is the key for Infiniti before they are going to sell tons of Q's, which they are well on their way to.
Current new Q owners will enjoy these LINKS below
2002 Infiniti Q45 has everything but ejection seat
Cool cars - Q45
Motor Trend road test
The Q45 profile
Parkers Road test
Motorweek 30,000 mile longterm test
Infiniti's Q factor -Forbes -Be sure to click the pictures here.
Infiniti Q45 Premium Luxury Car Doubles For Racy Performance
The Q Is Back
Q45 accelerates into fantastic world of electronics
The car place review - good quicktime videos here
Radio roadtest
Automobile Magazine, May 2001
"Quite quick, so sweet." "The Q is striking." "It is a dreamboat, trimmed judiciously and beautifully in bird’s-eye maple, leather, and subtle bits of bright metal." "It’s [the 2002 Q45 engine] a beautiful thing." "The cabin features a dazzling array of technology." "Italy loved it, and Italy didn't even see the interior, which I inducted into my personal Hall of Fame, alongside the cabins of every current Volkswagen and Audi." "...I inducted [the Infiniti Q45] into my personal Automotive Interior Hall of Fame..."
Publication: Automobile Magazine, May 2001
Citation: AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE, May 2001.
AutoWeek Magazine Accolades for Infiniti Q45
AutoWeek, March 26, 2001
"The 2002 Q45 raises the Infiniti luxury flag a little bit higher, and it continues to be a great 'driver's car'." "Infiniti's 2002 Q45 luxury sedan is still a 'driver's car' and a whole lot more." "…At the soul of the Q beats an even more powerful 32-valve dohc V8 delivering 340 hp…capable of reaching triple digit speeds for extended periods of time with no complaints." "The new Q, …a viable option for someone wanting a luxury car that is different from the norm." "The interior is more inviting and the styling more classic…" "There's a ton of electronic stuff." "Both the voice-control system and the rear-view monitor are the kind of leading-edge features expected in a top-of-the-line sedan." "During an extended period of driving in excess of 100 mph, front- and back-seat riders on the trip found the surroundings comfortable enough for napping." "The new Q serves notice to other luxury car makers that Infiniti is once again a serious player in the high-end segment." "…This new car has a whole lot of what customers expect in high-end luxury, delivered in a slightly different package."
Publication: AutoWeek. March 26, 2001
Citation: AutoWeek Magazine, March 26, 2001.
Forbes.com Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Forbes.com Friday, March 30, 2001 (Michael Frank)
"This Infiniti has all the performance and luxury most buyers would ever want." "The amenities in the Q are extraordinary." "The new Q is a first: a Japanese luxury car with stellar performance—and soul."
Forbes.com (Monday, February 5, 2001)
"…A class leading ****pit." "…In terms of size, this Infiniti is already a match for the (Lexus) LS430." "The amenities in the Q are extraordinary." "Perhaps most impressive, however, is this car’s instrumentation. For the first time, we can honestly say that an LCD display has been seamlessly integrated into a dashboard without damaging the overall aesthetic."
Publication: Forbes.com Website
Citation: March 30, 2001 Forbes.com)
Auto World Weekly Magazine Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Auto World Weekly, March 19, 2001
"The new [2002] Infiniti Q45 can run with the big dogs." "A car ready to take on the best from Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz." "An unsurpassed value." "The Q's interior is irrefutably a styling best-of-show." "The knobs that control the radio volume and cabin temperature are small works of art." "Fit and finish are excellent." "The Q's ride is luxury car smooth, softer in fact than that of a similarly equipped BMW or Mercedes-Benz." "This is a fun car to drive, more fun than the Lexus LS430." "The 2002 Infiniti Q45 is easily the best Infiniti yet."
Publication: Auto World Weekly. March 19, 2001
Citation: AMI Auto World Magazine
Car and Driver Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Car and Driver, May 2001 (Barry Winfield)
"The new [2002] Q is quite a kick." "The interior of the new Q is pretty cool." "The Q45 boasts a couple of surprising extras." "This car promises to be a serious contender." "Altogether, the Infiniti Q45 offers performance, styling distinction, and equipment levels that should get everyone's attention."
Publication: Car and Driver, May 2001
Citation: Reprinted with the permission of Car and Driver, May 2001.
Road & Track Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Road & Track, May 2001 (Dennis Simanaitis)
"Smooth but hard, dynamic with a definite edge." "[The 2002 Q45 makes] A strong styling statement in a class where conservatism is the norm." "The driving position is well nigh perfect—and the best enthusiast’s seat in the house."
Publication: Road & Track, May 2001
Road & Track, July 2001
"A completely fresh look and engine have given the Infiniti flagship an agressive new character."
Publication: Road & Track, July 2001
Citation: Reprinted with the permission of Road & Track.
National Post Accolades for Infiniti Q45
National Post, March 30, 2001
"The ride is noticeably stiffer than Lexus’ LS 430 and well into BMW and Mercedes territory.”
Publication: National Post, March 30, 2001
Citation: National Post Automotive Writer – David Booth
Popular Mechanics Accolade for Infiniti Q45
Popular Mechanics, April 2001
“Armed with the most powerful standard headlights in the world, the new Q45 is ready for the luxury sedan wars.”
Publication: Popular Mechanics, April 2001
Citation: Popular Mechanics, April 2001
FreshAlloy.com Accolades for Infiniti Q45
FreshAlloy.com, April 2001
“With the 340 horses underneath the hood, Infiniti raises the bar on power in the premium luxury market. The LS430 has 290, which is 50 less horses in the stable. Ouch.”
Publication: FreshAlloy.com, April 2001
Citation: FreshAlloy.com April 2001)
USA TODAY Accolades for Infiniti Q45
USA TODAY, April 27, 2001
“Now, Infiniti returns to its roots with an ’02 Q that does the original proud. It is fast, it is quick, it is agile.” The whomping good V-8 engine gives the ’02 Q the hard, unforgiving, scary quickness that makes you nervous about trying to answer the common question “What’ll she do?” “Drive something ordinary, then hop back into the Q45, and you’re rewarded with a feeling as relaxing and sublime as a hot bath after a hard day.”
Publication: USA TODAY , April 27, 2001
Citation: Copyright 2001, USA TODAY. Reprinted with permission.
iZoom.com Accolade for Infiniti Q45iZoom.com, April 2001
“Now, there’s an all new Q, one that has all the luxury your passengers might want, but also was designed with the knowledge that the driver might want to be an active participant, not just another passenger.”
Publication: iZoom.com, April 2001
Citation: Zoom.com, April 2001
Ward’s AutoWorld Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Ward's AutoWorld, April 2001
“The Q45 works to unite the best of both worlds and it succeeds.” “The floating-on-clouds ride exudes luxury.”
Publication: Ward’s AutoWorld, April 2001
Citation: 2001 Ward’s Auto World
Motor Trend Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Motor Trend, May 2001
"The New Q is fitted with more technology than most any vehicle roaming the road today. Its available equipment list reads like a what's what of cutting edge automotive trickery." "Unlike some cars today, which look good from the front, but aren't as appealing from the side or rear, the Q45 is attractive from all angles." "If the new Q45 had anymore technology onboard, it would surely fly."
Publication: Motor Trend, May 2001
Citation: Motor Trend, May 2001
Motor Trend, July 2001
"Performance, technology, and luxury about in the new Q, from a highlyengineered 4.5 L/340-hp V-8 to voice-activated systems, industry-leadingsafety equipment, and one of the most comfortably appointed interiorswe've recently seen." "The new engine features all of today's high-tech tricks, includingcontinuously variable timing, titanium valves, and throttle-by-wire."
Publication: Motor Trend, July 2001
Citation: Motor Trend, July 2001
Image is the key for Infiniti before they are going to sell tons of Q's, which they are well on their way to.
Current new Q owners will enjoy these LINKS below
2002 Infiniti Q45 has everything but ejection seat
Cool cars - Q45
Motor Trend road test
The Q45 profile
Parkers Road test
Motorweek 30,000 mile longterm test
Infiniti's Q factor -Forbes -Be sure to click the pictures here.
Infiniti Q45 Premium Luxury Car Doubles For Racy Performance
The Q Is Back
Q45 accelerates into fantastic world of electronics
The car place review - good quicktime videos here
Radio roadtest
Automobile Magazine, May 2001
"Quite quick, so sweet." "The Q is striking." "It is a dreamboat, trimmed judiciously and beautifully in bird’s-eye maple, leather, and subtle bits of bright metal." "It’s [the 2002 Q45 engine] a beautiful thing." "The cabin features a dazzling array of technology." "Italy loved it, and Italy didn't even see the interior, which I inducted into my personal Hall of Fame, alongside the cabins of every current Volkswagen and Audi." "...I inducted [the Infiniti Q45] into my personal Automotive Interior Hall of Fame..."
Publication: Automobile Magazine, May 2001
Citation: AUTOMOBILE MAGAZINE, May 2001.
AutoWeek Magazine Accolades for Infiniti Q45
AutoWeek, March 26, 2001
"The 2002 Q45 raises the Infiniti luxury flag a little bit higher, and it continues to be a great 'driver's car'." "Infiniti's 2002 Q45 luxury sedan is still a 'driver's car' and a whole lot more." "…At the soul of the Q beats an even more powerful 32-valve dohc V8 delivering 340 hp…capable of reaching triple digit speeds for extended periods of time with no complaints." "The new Q, …a viable option for someone wanting a luxury car that is different from the norm." "The interior is more inviting and the styling more classic…" "There's a ton of electronic stuff." "Both the voice-control system and the rear-view monitor are the kind of leading-edge features expected in a top-of-the-line sedan." "During an extended period of driving in excess of 100 mph, front- and back-seat riders on the trip found the surroundings comfortable enough for napping." "The new Q serves notice to other luxury car makers that Infiniti is once again a serious player in the high-end segment." "…This new car has a whole lot of what customers expect in high-end luxury, delivered in a slightly different package."
Publication: AutoWeek. March 26, 2001
Citation: AutoWeek Magazine, March 26, 2001.
Forbes.com Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Forbes.com Friday, March 30, 2001 (Michael Frank)
"This Infiniti has all the performance and luxury most buyers would ever want." "The amenities in the Q are extraordinary." "The new Q is a first: a Japanese luxury car with stellar performance—and soul."
Forbes.com (Monday, February 5, 2001)
"…A class leading ****pit." "…In terms of size, this Infiniti is already a match for the (Lexus) LS430." "The amenities in the Q are extraordinary." "Perhaps most impressive, however, is this car’s instrumentation. For the first time, we can honestly say that an LCD display has been seamlessly integrated into a dashboard without damaging the overall aesthetic."
Publication: Forbes.com Website
Citation: March 30, 2001 Forbes.com)
Auto World Weekly Magazine Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Auto World Weekly, March 19, 2001
"The new [2002] Infiniti Q45 can run with the big dogs." "A car ready to take on the best from Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz." "An unsurpassed value." "The Q's interior is irrefutably a styling best-of-show." "The knobs that control the radio volume and cabin temperature are small works of art." "Fit and finish are excellent." "The Q's ride is luxury car smooth, softer in fact than that of a similarly equipped BMW or Mercedes-Benz." "This is a fun car to drive, more fun than the Lexus LS430." "The 2002 Infiniti Q45 is easily the best Infiniti yet."
Publication: Auto World Weekly. March 19, 2001
Citation: AMI Auto World Magazine
Car and Driver Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Car and Driver, May 2001 (Barry Winfield)
"The new [2002] Q is quite a kick." "The interior of the new Q is pretty cool." "The Q45 boasts a couple of surprising extras." "This car promises to be a serious contender." "Altogether, the Infiniti Q45 offers performance, styling distinction, and equipment levels that should get everyone's attention."
Publication: Car and Driver, May 2001
Citation: Reprinted with the permission of Car and Driver, May 2001.
Road & Track Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Road & Track, May 2001 (Dennis Simanaitis)
"Smooth but hard, dynamic with a definite edge." "[The 2002 Q45 makes] A strong styling statement in a class where conservatism is the norm." "The driving position is well nigh perfect—and the best enthusiast’s seat in the house."
Publication: Road & Track, May 2001
Road & Track, July 2001
"A completely fresh look and engine have given the Infiniti flagship an agressive new character."
Publication: Road & Track, July 2001
Citation: Reprinted with the permission of Road & Track.
National Post Accolades for Infiniti Q45
National Post, March 30, 2001
"The ride is noticeably stiffer than Lexus’ LS 430 and well into BMW and Mercedes territory.”
Publication: National Post, March 30, 2001
Citation: National Post Automotive Writer – David Booth
Popular Mechanics Accolade for Infiniti Q45
Popular Mechanics, April 2001
“Armed with the most powerful standard headlights in the world, the new Q45 is ready for the luxury sedan wars.”
Publication: Popular Mechanics, April 2001
Citation: Popular Mechanics, April 2001
FreshAlloy.com Accolades for Infiniti Q45
FreshAlloy.com, April 2001
“With the 340 horses underneath the hood, Infiniti raises the bar on power in the premium luxury market. The LS430 has 290, which is 50 less horses in the stable. Ouch.”
Publication: FreshAlloy.com, April 2001
Citation: FreshAlloy.com April 2001)
USA TODAY Accolades for Infiniti Q45
USA TODAY, April 27, 2001
“Now, Infiniti returns to its roots with an ’02 Q that does the original proud. It is fast, it is quick, it is agile.” The whomping good V-8 engine gives the ’02 Q the hard, unforgiving, scary quickness that makes you nervous about trying to answer the common question “What’ll she do?” “Drive something ordinary, then hop back into the Q45, and you’re rewarded with a feeling as relaxing and sublime as a hot bath after a hard day.”
Publication: USA TODAY , April 27, 2001
Citation: Copyright 2001, USA TODAY. Reprinted with permission.
iZoom.com Accolade for Infiniti Q45iZoom.com, April 2001
“Now, there’s an all new Q, one that has all the luxury your passengers might want, but also was designed with the knowledge that the driver might want to be an active participant, not just another passenger.”
Publication: iZoom.com, April 2001
Citation: Zoom.com, April 2001
Ward’s AutoWorld Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Ward's AutoWorld, April 2001
“The Q45 works to unite the best of both worlds and it succeeds.” “The floating-on-clouds ride exudes luxury.”
Publication: Ward’s AutoWorld, April 2001
Citation: 2001 Ward’s Auto World
Motor Trend Accolades for Infiniti Q45
Motor Trend, May 2001
"The New Q is fitted with more technology than most any vehicle roaming the road today. Its available equipment list reads like a what's what of cutting edge automotive trickery." "Unlike some cars today, which look good from the front, but aren't as appealing from the side or rear, the Q45 is attractive from all angles." "If the new Q45 had anymore technology onboard, it would surely fly."
Publication: Motor Trend, May 2001
Citation: Motor Trend, May 2001
Motor Trend, July 2001
"Performance, technology, and luxury about in the new Q, from a highlyengineered 4.5 L/340-hp V-8 to voice-activated systems, industry-leadingsafety equipment, and one of the most comfortably appointed interiorswe've recently seen." "The new engine features all of today's high-tech tricks, includingcontinuously variable timing, titanium valves, and throttle-by-wire."
Publication: Motor Trend, July 2001
Citation: Motor Trend, July 2001