will 16x8 et34's fit over zeal function V6 on S13 without spacers?

[continental_drift]

i look at these boards all the time, i have a question i was hoping you guys could help me answer so i finally joined. anyways, i had considered getting some advan A3A's because...well, they're hot...but 14's on an s13 just isn't what i'm going for, i prefer 15's. despite my preference for 15 inch wheels, i've found a super buy (ultra cheap) on some AutoStrada Modena 3 piece, kinda common japanese wheel back in the day but don't see it as much now, its a ferrari F40 knock off wheel. you usually see them on like z32's in 5 lug. anyways, these are 4x114.3 and the fronts are 16x8 with a +34 offset, rears are 17x8.5 with a +45 offset. these offsets are a little high for my tastes but the wheels still look good and are a true 3 piece. this is really a several part question i guess

pt 1: is the difference between the +40 stock and the +34 offset sizing enough to clear the zeal coilovers up front without spacers (or is the 2 inches of extra rim width going to kill it?)pt2: will the 17's in the rear make it more difficult to maintain a drift with my stock, underpowered motor?pt 3: am i going to have to roll/pull my fenders to fit these with a drop and not rub (this kinda goes along with whether i'll be running spacers or not...)

right now i'm running s14 15x6 4x114.3 alloys on my '89 coupe with the zeals, extreme negative camber up front, super dumped, 20mm spacers. this car was recently vandalized so i'm going to swap the V6's onto my currently stock '91 coupe and thought i might pick up something dishy...which is ironic since i'm considering these wheels which have maybe an inch and a half of lip when i was lookin for more like a 3 inch lip with a 3 spoke design...anyways. i already know what the general opinion is on offsets above +17, so this is really more of a technical question than an opinion poll. anyways, glad to hear from anyone who has these wheels, or has test fitted a lot of wheels over zeal coilovers. thanks guys, by the way, your experiences will really help me decide whether or not to make this purchase, just like they have with many other nissan issues i've had, so really, thank you.

Micah
Modified by continental_drift at 9:03 PM 10/22/2005

[naed240sx]

I have kts coilovers and 16x7+32 front, and 16x8+35 rear. The fronts have a little over 1/2 inch of clearance. This amount would be larger, but the es100 tires I have have a giant rim protector bar. Add 1/2 inch to both sides of the front wheel, and it will be a very close fitment. I think It will fit, but may rub depending on what tires you run.

[GhostDriver]

I think the front wheels should be OK but I don't know how the rears are going to fit. They'll definately need spacers.

[continental_drift]

thanks guys, that definately helps. the guy was running these with lowering springs, not coilovers, i just talked to him and he said he had stock fenders with no roll. how much spacing do you think i'll need in the rear? and depending on whats on sale, i'll probably end up going with some falkens up front, or possibly my new favorite cheap tire, barum bravarius...at one point I had es100's on my FC...them suckers got grip!

by the way, added a couple pics. i'd probably end up polishing that lip and painting the faces after cleaning them.
Modified by continental_drift at 9:07 PM 10/22/2005

[McRussellPants]

I highly doubt they'll fit without spacers.

- A 9in wide rim needs a offset less than 15 to fit on Zeal

-That would mean a make 8 +25ish about the same.

-Zeals are well known for having small lower mounts.

-either way... a 20mm Bolton spacer will get your wheels looking and fitting right.

PS... 16/17 stagger? I'd wait for something better

[SmithSR]

-don't need a small mount, but a tapered mount-8" +35 with 215 on a properly lowered coilover car clears nicely. Almost like it was planned..-fitting right means tucking in at the top to allow for suspension travel.. be careful!

Phil

[McRussellPants]

-don't need a small mount, but a tapered mount

Wait... what?

I was talking about Zeals having a smaller lower bracket (mounting holes closer to the strut) than most other coilovers.

Some other guy was having problems getting 17x8 +35s on Tein HEs. either way, a 15mm front and 30mm Rear spacer would bring those offsets into not wack territory anyway.

[naed240sx]

Wait... what?

I was talking about Zeals having a smaller lower bracket (mounting holes closer to the strut) than most other coilovers.

Some other guy was having problems getting 17x8 +35s on Tein HEs. either way, a 15mm front and 30mm Rear spacer would bring those offsets into not wack territory anyway.

With a 30 mm rear spacer, his his rear wheels will be far from flush. the tire of my 16x8+35s sticks out exactly as far as the fender, meaning that the rim is just slightly inset. This is what you want, otherwise rubbing will easily ocurr.

[sleepyRPS13]

nice modenas

[continental_drift]

sleepy- thanks! old skool is the poop.naed- so i'm to understand that the 16"x8 +34's will fit the rear, fairly flush no spacer? mcrussell- you're right about the smaller lower bracket, and what you're saying about spacing makes sense if i roll the fenders, but i don't know if i'm comfortable with a 30mm rear spacer...sounds kinda risky. and about the stagger, i've seen plenty of 16/17 stagger set ups look clean, but that was one reason i asked about how it will preform, cause i've never run it before.

so now i have a dilemna. my plan was to buy them (all 4) because its a set, and then restore them. my buddy works at a chrome/machine shop and he was gonna polish and clear the lip at work to hit it with the bling, and then we were gonna prep and paint the center disks so they aren't alloy-riffic anymore. now i'm considering just offering to buy the 16's and run them in the rear (from the looks of naed's car, that should tuck)...or i could buy the whole set, restore them, and see how they look...or sell the 17's. i've got those zeals pretty compressed though.

[continental_drift]

So noone knows of a set of oni's for sale at a decent price, or some SA3's?by the way, this is my new '91 SE coupe ($800 bucks!!! sometimes life is good!) all i've done to it so far are the wangless trunk (swapped that off my '89, no wang holes) and debadged/removed trim. my 89 in the pic above is the one that was burglarized/vandalized. honestly, now i don't know what i want to do. i want to run a matching set, but if these 17's are gonna become a pain in my butt, then i don't know if i want to risk it. I love old school 3 pc wheels, especially 3 spoke (like the oni's, a3a's, sa3) truth be told, i really like mesh too (who doesn't?) but i'm working on finding alternatives to having my ride look like everyone elses, i definately don't know of any s13's running AutoStrada's. anyone have definitive info bout the staggered set up and whether the 17's will only fit if i run 30mm spacers? btw, SR smith - are you referring to the angle of camber? (tucking at the top to allow for suspension travel), or are you more referring to wheel and tire width in relation to ride height/dampening/spring rate?

cheers,Micah
Modified by continental_drift at 1:29 PM 10/23/2005

[McRussellPants]

anyone have definitive info bout the staggered set up and whether the 17's will only fit if i run 30mm spacers?

Well the rear may fit without any spacer... and perhaps a 30mm spacer is a little aggressive for sissypants 0 camber.. The front I for sure think you'll at least need a 5mm to clear it.

A 10 on the front and 15 on the rear though... would definately fit and every where and not be socal flush.

Ive seen a pic of a silvia with those Autostradas in the rear as drift spares in 17x9 +45 with a 15mm spacer... it looked decent... but I dont think a 16x8 17x8.5 stagger is gonna turn out well.

[continental_drift]

yo, this may be wishful thinking, but you don't have a link to that pic of the sil runnin the 17x9 Autostradas, do you?

[McRussellPants]

Nope... it was in a drift tengoku.