Wikileaks Iraq war logs: every death mapped

[RCA]

Data:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... alism#data

Large Map Version:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablo ... deaths-map?

Over 100,000 so far

[dusred]

I'm f*** tired of these leaks. I don't give a damn about free speech - these are classified war documents and we are at way and by having them leaked our troops are being put at risk. The person leaking them should be charged with treason and executed.

[RCA]

Yeah, Wikileaks is putting them at risk...

Not our government and military leaders

[breadbox]

lol. nice RCA. We are Rebel scum. X-wings get in Attack Position!

[Dattebayo]

I tried to pork the death star a couple of nights ago, but I couldn't find the small exhaust port just below the main port....

Also, how is this intelligence going to affect anything? I can't see a real reason to be upset...

[ADDirishboy]

100,000 deaths in that time span isn't bad. I thank all those soldiers who laid down their lives, the ones who are over there fighting, and the ones who were there but are now home. I pray they all get home safely.

[Rev_D21]

100,000 deaths in that time span isn't bad.

Interesting statement. So then, what's your idea of bad since 100,000 seems to be acceptable?

[asoomal]

Wow, thats crazy. I keep on zooming and there's more every time :|

[Urabus GodofTraction]

100,000 deaths in that time span isn't bad.

Interesting statement. So then, what's your idea of bad since 100,000 seems to be acceptable?

60 million or so...


/troll.

[dusred]

Interesting statement. So then, what's your idea of bad since 100,000 seems to be acceptable?

What is an acceptable number to you?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Also, how is this intelligence going to affect anything? I can't see a real reason to be upset...

+1

[alms24sebring]

Umm the enemy can send more people to the bigger confined hotspots.

I think IrishBoy is not saying acceptable. Of course nobody wants anybody to die but its war, paople will die, and thats the fact. Over the span of almost a decade (wow), 100,000 may be less than expected, compared to previous wars. I wouldnt even say its not bad though. Not bad would be like 20,000 for me. Way too many civilians

[Rev_D21]

Interesting statement. So then, what's your idea of bad since 100,000 seems to be acceptable?

What is an acceptable number to you?

Oh let's just say the Earth would be a very quiet place if I got my number.

[krash]

100,000 deaths in that time span isn't bad.

Interesting statement. So then, what's your idea of bad since 100,000 seems to be acceptable?

100,000 TOTAL deaths during the whole thing? Seems like it could have been a lot worse.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Umm the enemy can send more people to the bigger confined hotspots.

Like the enemy doesn't know where its insurgents are dying? The enemy knows exactly what it wants to do. If it wants to take one area, it'll put more force there.

I find it a little hard to believe that the enemy would be basing its strategy off a map that shows where people died (not even just their people, but all people combined since the beginning of the war).

[USMCgetsome]

come on guys you think this was leaked on accident. They did it on purpose to get you guys back in the game of FEAR and to keep us busy with the idea of keeping the fight alive in afghanistan. I say to hell with it. Let the boys come home and let those weak cultured people die at the hand of each other!

[Dattebayo]

weak cultured people

Wait, you just described America...

[RCA]

come on guys you think this was leaked on accident. They did it on purpose to get you guys back in the game of FEAR and to keep us busy with the idea of keeping the fight alive in afghanistan.

These leaks do the exact opposite for me...

Bring them home.

[USMCgetsome]

hey datte i'm not talking about americans. Although, now adays were herded like sheep and follow as such. I was directing it to the muslim extremeist. If the residents can not protect themselves from these idiots then they don't deserve thier own country. They all have access to weapons and i see it as being silly to not fight people dominating your way of life.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

They all have access to weapons and i see it as being silly to not fight people dominating your way of life.

That's pretty much exactly what they are doing right now with Americans.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

As my stepfather used to say back in the 80's when we were involved with Lebanon "we should just nuke them till they glow and then shoot them in the dark." Personally I don't have an issue with the number of deaths considering the amount of time that's passed. If you were to see something like this from WWI or WWII you'd all be s*** yourselves. Keep in mind that that the 100K number also includes civilian casualties along with the number of Coalition and Insurgent/Iraqi military deaths. How many of those little red dots on that map were caused by IED's or suicide bombers? How many were actually caused my Coalition forces? When you take those questions into perspective it just shows that the enemy forces don't care about anyone but their cause. Civilian casualties are an exceptable (if even considered) loss as long as they were successful in killing or maiming their intended target. The US military goes out of its way to preven any civilian casualties, and in the event that it does happen they are there giving aid to those hurt.

I'm going to bite my tongue on how I feel about these intel leaks, I'll just say that there are too many god-damned tree hugging, pot smoking hippies and right wing Liberals in this country and our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves. I'm all for change and improving the quality of life, but I really wish we could go back to the way things were when my mom and my grandparents were growing up.

[Dattebayo]

hey datte i'm not talking about americans. Although, now adays were herded like sheep and follow as such. I was directing it to the muslim extremeist. If the residents can not protect themselves from these idiots then they don't deserve thier own country. They all have access to weapons and i see it as being silly to not fight people dominating your way of life.

That's pretty much exactly what they are doing right now with Americans.

[ADDirishboy]

100,000 TOTAL deaths during the whole thing? Seems like it could have been a lot worse.

That's all I was saying. It's terrible that we lost 100,000 troops, yes. But just like Krash stated, it could have been a LOT worse. That was the only thing I was getting at there.

The way that some people talk about the war makes it seem like millions have died. And yes, I do know people who think that. It makes me laugh.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

It's terrible that we lost 100,000 troops, yes.

We haven't lost 100,000 troops.

[ADDirishboy]

We haven't lost 100,000 troops.

Oops, I forgot it was 100,000 deaths total. I was thinking 100,000 for our side alone. Yea. Not that many casualties for that long of a time span.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

I feel as though pretty much every war we've been involved with since WW2 has been plagued with doubt and opposition, which has lead our leaders to sort of "pussyfoot" around so as to not piss anyone off.

WW2 was just straight up, balls out warfare, and that's why (among other factors) the casualties were so high (as well as the monetary expenses). There was 0 pussyfooting around in WW2.

The US also has much more technology now to "unman" the front lines. I think I heard that the war in Iraq is the 2nd most expensive war in our history (behind WW2). I'm willing to bet a lot of that expense is from our efforts to keep US casualties low by implementing these technologies. Worth it? You bet.

[Loki]

Anyone bother looking at it? The murders recorded are US Forces, Iraq Forces, Civilians AND enemy combatants. The majority of the random dots I clicked on seem to be civilians. It's a big toll on the people of Iraq.

[Jesda]

People die in a war. People in the Iraq war died in Iraq. What is the purpose or value of this information?

[AZhitman]

Invalid information is invalid.

Did they count all the morons who blew themselves up making IED's? Or the illiterate cretins who shot each other learning to fire an RPG?

Irrelevant numbers are irrelevant.

I don't care about "leaked" info - I'd be more pissed at whoever released the information JUST because they did something they knew they shouldn't have done.

[rb30dett]

This info should not have been leaked, even though it's been an extended period of time, it is still valid intel. Past locations might be public, but some are isolated areas that are vital to the enemies strategy. Wether you like it or not, we are fighting in their "backyard". I know that we have a bunch of intel and we also know how these guys fight. Who knows, another country might use this to their advantage. It's not much, but it's still something. Besides, I don't like how it's just put out there, and also how some of you talk about fallen Americans so flippantly, and without respect. This is not just to people on NICO, but to everyone in this blessed country. If you're going to talk about the war with ignorance, then you can stop or go somewhere else. Man up, grow a mustache, and enlist and do something about it. Until then, you have no room to complain.