Why you don't drive like a complete idiot at a track, ATTN Drifters.

[Nismo_Freak]

http://videos.streetfire.net/c...0.htm

This moron totals his EVO, and wastes valuable track time for everyone else for the sake of making a video of him drifting. This jackass should have been thrown off the track for his passing much less his driving.

Good lesson.

[dousan_pg]

guy was pretty good drifting

but yeah drifting for grip events aint cool.his passing was questionable for sure haha

he did understeer off the course though, could have happenned to anyone.

[nismofly]

so he was either a student that just trashed a schools car, or he was an instructor doing that with a schools car

either way,

[naed240sx]

guy was pretty good drifting

but yeah drifting for grip events aint cool.his passing was questionable for sure haha

he did understeer off the course though, could have happenned to anyone.

Yeah I agree. Chances are he was driving his own car, and instructors gave him permission to drive drift. Don't think he was a complete idiot, besides the way he was passing.
Modified by naed240sx at 11:22 AM 4/10/2006

[skylndrftr]

Without knowing the rules of that track day its hard to comment.

HOWEVER, if anyone tried anything like that at any NASA HPDE race control would disembowel them. Not just the pass on the elise the drifting in general. That said he had to be a poffesional just based on the car control.

[nismofly]

Chances are he was driving his own car

its got school decals all over the car, that would be like taking a skip barber viper out and drifting during on of their school days

unless the guy just took his own car and slapped decals from a school all over it

(yes i took french, and it sucks, but i do remember a few words )

i can make out "ecole pilotage" - driving school

[Nismo_Freak]

guy was pretty good drifting

but yeah drifting for grip events aint cool.his passing was questionable for sure haha

he did understeer off the course though, could have happenned to anyone.

While I agree he had excellent car control, drifting at a HPDE with a field of cars on the course is just stupid as we can both agree to.

I know too many l337 drifters that would be doing the same stunt, and I've known too many people talk about how the track is free reign to just do whatever you want.

[dousan_pg]

do you know what type of event this was?

i mean showing a vid and saying dont do this when you dont know the track where its at, no info or background why the guy was doing this..sure the vid sucks the guy crashed, he didnt crash drifting though..so i dont see the point of this.. imean if he crashed mid drift or into another car its another story

he did bad stuff gripping

and ive seen more grip crashes then drifting when i go to events, uesd to do a lto fo SPEEDTRIALS events here in socal. we had our 'drift group' which was one run group, if we ran in other groups we gripped, no worries. but the accidetns ive seen at tracks like buttonwillow and willow springs during these events werent drifters, they were grippers.

anyone who says track is free reign should be shot the in the face, castrated and hung by their toes.

thats why ther are drivers meetings before events.if i ever met someone who said that i would punch them in the throat.

anyways we do agree that this guy was an idiot. not necessaryily for the drifting (we dont have any info on the type of event and stuff) but becuase of his reckless driving (passing) and his undresteer skills. haha..anywyas, good vid but couldtn tthey hvae shortened it to a fe wthings..it was too long..

anyways, always obey track event rules. thats why they have grip and drift and such classes/groups/events. for a reason. i wotn go to a grip event to drift and i would expect the same from grippers.

[Nismo_Freak]

It looks like a PC group event by the number of 911's present. Other than that it's just an assumption.

[nismofly]

also the words at the beginning say something like "how is this reasonable?" making me think he wasnt supposed to be doing it but was doing it to be a rebel type

im not sure on the track, somewhere in france, doesnt look like magny-cours

i agree though dousan, you have to respect each others track time and not drive how you want because you feel like it

[sr20goofus]

i thouhgt it was cool at first how he was drifting AWD, dont see that much except for tarmac racing, then the more i watched, it was the worst line i have ever seen, sure he passed the little black car in a corner (also a poor idea), but later hes drifting that quick S turn and the little black thing disappears through the turn because hes too busy sliding around. I am glad NASA doesnt allow this during HPDE's. My opinion, poor idea, a bad line right before the flip, he was all over that apex way too early and a tad too hot apprently. I just thin it was poor decision making skills by the driver, cant balme the tires or the weather.

[0wn3r]

my definition of a track and racing is to actually race... not be nice and drive like gramma.

the idea of not passing someone when u have the opportunity is rediculous to me.

[nismofly]

youre not supposed to pass like that at track days, its not wheel to wheel racing

thats one of the reasons im looking forward to wheel to wheel, out braking people and other stuff you cant do at track days

[0wn3r]

youre not supposed to pass like that at track days, its not wheel to wheel racing

gay. like i hinted at, that's the same as driving in the street then. if i was paying to be at a track, i'd probably be pushing my limits.

[nismofly]

you can push the limits all you want, you just cant be running over other cars doing it

the purpose of track days isnt to race, its to learn how to drive/race at the limit so you dont kill yourself and/or other people when you do go racing, at the same time doing it in the safe environment of a track where youre not a public hazard trying to drive like this on the street

[Joe]

gay. like i hinted at, that's the same as driving in the street then. if i was paying to be at a track, i'd probably be pushing my limits.

wow, no. it dosent work like that.

driving on track is nothing like the street.

p.s. dont ever go to a track event with an attitude like that.

[swwifty]

Perfect example of why not to try and save it if your about to go off.

Clutch in and straight off. Two wheels off, and you flip.

I'm suprised noone got hurt in the accident, it was a pretty nasty crash.

[0wn3r]

wow, no. it dosent work like that.

driving on track is nothing like the street.

p.s. dont ever go to a track event with an attitude like that.

why?? i just find it retarded that you have to be held back by other people and can't actually USE your car. next, you're going to tell me they use a signal when making turns and stop for school buses

[skylndrftr]

please in the future post anytime your gonna be on a track so i can avoid you entirely.

the idea of the track day is to independently learn the limits of your car. they do it because of the range of people cars and skill levels on the track. I've been instructing in a car and had someone come flying past the inside of us right before a turn because they hit the gas not the brake. It can happen in a race to but its a lot less likely to happen to someone who has taken all of the classes and gotten their race license. Its not like they totally ban passing either. they usually set specific passing zones (or at the least rules) which become loser as the groups advance.

[nismofly]

why?? i just find it retarded that you have to be held back by other people and can't actually USE your car. next, you're going to tell me they use a signal when making turns and stop for school buses

so what youre saying is if youre not wheel to wheel road racing its pointless right? youve got a lot to learn

youre in pennsy, come run pocono this summer, youll be surprised

just because you cant out brake somebody and dive under them in a corner, youre not "using" your car? this is what youre saying you know

i think the problem here is you dont know how track days work and youre already making a lot of negative assumptions

[dousan_pg]

whateverthe guys a clueless who just talks and goes to track. or maybe he's a 'hardcore' racer...ooh.doesnt mater you'll get railed on by a stripped EG civic w/ a built motor who doesnt need to lift thru corners hahaha

[Joe]

why?? i just find it retarded that you have to be held back by other people and can't actually USE your car. next, you're going to tell me they use a signal when making turns and stop for school buses

riiiight. ok buddy. just do me a favor, dont come near me on a track. you obviously have no idea what your doing.

[Joe]

doesnt mater you'll get railed on by a stripped EG civic w/ a built motor who doesnt need to lift thru corners hahaha

hahaha i hate that...

[Nismo_Freak]

whateverthe guys a clueless who just talks and goes to track. or maybe he's a 'hardcore' racer...ooh.doesnt mater you'll get railed on by a stripped EG civic w/ a built motor who doesnt need to lift thru corners hahaha

Not if you nose in on his line... "what mirror?"

[Nismo_Freak]

why?? i just find it retarded that you have to be held back by other people and can't actually USE your car. next, you're going to tell me they use a signal when making turns and stop for school buses

You use turn signals or hand signals to allow faster cars by on the straights.

The idea is to familarize yourself with the track and the racing line before you are set free to run it hard. You can go out there and drive like it's the last 30 seconds of LeMans and you will notice you are not much faster than people running the correct line at 7/10ths.

You will go to track events, and you will learn how to drive all over again. Once you have moved up and gained experience you can start working towards open wheel racing.

[n00b240]

from my experience on most open track days, you were allowed to pass on the outside only, unless of course you move to the outside to allow someone to pass you on the inside

[0wn3r]

You use turn signals or hand signals to allow faster cars by on the straights.

The idea is to familarize yourself with the track and the racing line before you are set free to run it hard. You can go out there and drive like it's the last 30 seconds of LeMans and you will notice you are not much faster than people running the correct line at 7/10ths.

You will go to track events, and you will learn how to drive all over again. Once you have moved up and gained experience you can start working towards open wheel racing.

thanks. btw, everyone else's response was such a big joke.

For example:Quote »the idea of the track day is to independently learn the limits of your car. [/quote]umm wtf? how is following behind someone, slower than your car can obviously, go considered "independently pushing the limits of your car"?

so if you break out some hyundai elantra out there that's going 15mph, and you have to follow him... boy, talk about pushing your limits!!! yay!!

[nismofly]

same thing, different wording, dont have a hissy fit

i basically said everything Alan said, he just went into more detail, and mentioned "the line," which i wouldve thought youd known already since youre so good

you will be following a hyundai going 15 mph at times, you just deal with it, and pass them when you can, there are designated passing areas, like i said you cant just pass whenever you want

the idea is, youve got to learn how to drive on a track, and then youve got to find your limit before you push it, thats what youve got an instructor for and everything

like i said, come run pocono this summer, i think youll be surprised

[nismofly]

here:

August 19 and 20

https://www.nasaproracing.com/...d=332

August 25, 26, and 27

https://www.nasaproracing.com/...d=333

and by the way this isnt the nascar oval, theres several infield road course configs there we run on

[Bubba1]

I don't think it was a PCA event or an HPDE, as most HPDE's have rules about passing at the apex, even in the top instructor run groups. I suspect this accident was at one of those FATT (Friday at the track) type open lapping events which tend to attract morons.