Why oh why can't I find an Active rear swaybar?

[RobertsnewQ]

Mini Rant here: I've tried about 20 junkyards and they all tell me they have an Active rear bar. When I actually try to order it,however, they call me back and say they don't have it.

Irritating as hell.

I'm looking into making one, but I hate to pay $175-200 for a custom rear bar when a stock one exists that works pretty good.

[maxnix]

I am still up for the 22mm one.

[chinaonnitrous]

Id be up for a custom one.

I paid 200+ I belive for my Addco RSB for my 02' Maxima Se 6spd.

Included brackets, and Poly bushings.

Mini Rant here: I've tried about 20 junkyards and they all tell me they have an Active rear bar. When I actually try to order it,however, they call me back and say they don't have it.

Irritating as hell.

I'm looking into making one, but I hate to pay $175-200 for a custom rear bar when a stock one exists that works pretty good.

[RobertsnewQ]

Well, to have the bar fabricated I still need a bar (although a T bar would work for that).

I can't find a SINGLE swaybar!

[chinaonnitrous]

I have a RSB from an active thats uninstalled, if needed for fabrication purposes I can donate it, I wont have my q back for a few weeks, I dont plan on installing it anytime soon.

I like hoarding parts.......hahahah

[RobertsnewQ]

Where did you get yours?

If you're serious, I can give you the address of Saner Fabrications and you can send it there. I'll pay your shipping costs.

[Q45tech]

http://www.whiteline.com.au/ar...j.pdf

The above describes the use of assymetrical arm holes whereas a 3 hole adjustable bar acually has 9 possible positions = different stiffness rates.Something overlooked by many..

Just be sure to get [have made] an adjustable bar that can emulate a 20mm position stiffness at the fartherest holes: 22/20 hollow ^4.............~~45-50% less stiff than 22mm.....that way you can have the functional equavalent of 20>22>24mm............or 40 lb/in rising to 85-90-100 lb/in [wheel rate not bar rate] and 7 steps inbetween [3 holes]............7% rate steps now that's fine tunable for every situation..........wet to dry and cold to hot road conditions. Average or good tires.

[RobertsnewQ]

Unfortunately for us there is no way to have an adjuster on the axle end of the link - the through hole style mean that we can only have a single point on that end.

Actually I just found a bar from a local yard. Assuming they have it I think I'm set.

[Q45tech]

Redesign the attachment point or use helm joints........the oem design is pretty unstable [subject to bushing wear/slop].

[chinaonnitrous]

Let me know what you would like me to do

[email protected]

[maxnix]

Actually I just found a bar from a local yard. Assuming they have it I think I'm set.

Hope you got fooled again so we can get a real rear sway bar.

[hardmoney]

I'm sure if we get a few guys interested in custom fabricating a simple 22mm bar we could get the costs way low. If its worth it for a shop to make one bar for $200 then it stands to reason they would make 2 bars for $300,3 bars for $400 and 5 for $500 which comes out to $100 per bar. I realise my math may be a little fuzzy but I think I'm actually overestimating. Its quite possible to get someone to do this for $100 bucks or even less per bar,They can use my 20mm as a template.

[RobertsnewQ]

Well, the company is Saner Fabrications. Lots of pro autocross/showroom stock guys use them. I think the price is closer to $185 than $200, and you may be right that we can get the price down even lower.

[pdqwrx]

I would love a stiffer bar and would partake in a buy. I bought a touring bar from Wes but have not installed it and I will be in LA for the D1 in 2 weeks. Is this shop in/near LA? I could drop it off.CheersScottBy the way Robert, we should get together for a photo shoot. I have a Burgandy 94 with Maxima wheels that have been custom powder coated dark metalic grey. It would make a neat picture for Q45.org

[chinaonnitrous]

where the hell are you in nor cali?!

I havent met a single nor-cali Q45......

Hell, ive only met Jesda and....... thats it...

I would love a stiffer bar and would partake in a buy. I bought a touring bar from Wes but have not installed it and I will be in LA for the D1 in 2 weeks. Is this shop in/near LA? I could drop it off.CheersScottBy the way Robert, we should get together for a photo shoot. I have a Burgandy 94 with Maxima wheels that have been custom powder coated dark metalic grey. It would make a neat picture for Q45.org

[Q45tech]

The 13% softer t/a front bar [28 vs 29mm] is a useful addition whenever you add a rear bar. Especially when using harder than oem front tires [those that exceed 160 treadwear index].

The front tires DEFINE the potential peak possible G load. Less bar will increase potential.

5-7% more front roll will not be noticeable with smaller bar.

When you lower with Eibach's and go with smaller bar the two cancel out netting oem front roll stiffness [GOOD] ~~ roughly 300 lb/in after the first inch of body roll.

[goody90q45]

Let's get together at Scott's house this weekend and drink all his beer.

[maxnix]

The 13% softer t/a front bar [28 vs 29mm] is a useful addition whenever you add a rear bar. Especially when using harder than oem front tires [those that exceed 160 treadwear index].

The front tires DEFINE the potential peak possible G load. Less bar will increase potential.

5-7% more front roll will not be noticeable with smaller bar.

When you lower with Eibach's and go with smaller bar the two cancel out netting oem front roll stiffness [GOOD] ~~ roughly 300 lb/in after the first inch of body roll.

But I thought the front t bar with the rear a bar was the near ideal combination for roll stifness, with the 22mm rear being ideal for neutral roll coupling?

[pdqwrx]

where the hell are you in nor cali?!

I havent met a single nor-cali Q45......

Hell, ive only met Jesda and....... thats it...

I live in Stockton.......And rather then beer I have Redbull and Vodka!

CheersScott

I am down for a small meet anytime. Hooters in Dublin is always a great spot.....

[Q45tech]

22mm [28 mm front] would be pretty spot on with the correct tires at average temperatures in dry. AS 20mm is about right in colder wet temperatures. 24 mm would be for hot summer slalom with wider softer tires.

The 20-24mm range is 107%............roughly 123 lb/in with no rear bar, so

163>~~200 >~~~245.

The active Q uses 88 rear springs so with 20mm bar the combined roll stiffness is still 128 vs 123 for standard or 163 with standard Q springs and 20mm rear bar.

The choices are 33% stiiffer 20mm; 66% stiffer or 107% stiffer.

Watch out for progressive rear lowering springs at those rise to 200 in the 3rd inch of compression...................a 22 mm might and for sure a 24mm with those springs will snap SEVERLY over steer in wet conditions.

When you get close to optimum you must have ways to compensate for fuel weigh changes, passenger weight, tire temperature, and road friction coefficients/

The poor factory must design for safety with all these variables at worst case.