why get anything else?

[jt1583]

why would anyone buy a civic or anything else and not get a 240 with an rb swap? why would they pay atleast 7-10 thousand for these mediocre cars when they can pay 5-6 thousand and have a turbocharged RWD car? is it because the work involved? they dont care about speed? this is a serious question , through my browsing the forums a 240 with an RB swap looks flawless and the best possible route to go or am i missing something??

[NISMO_RB25]

My first 87 RX-7 TII was only 4K, so other options exist, just not many

And honestly when you buy a S13 to do the swap, chances are you are going to need a lot to get the car back into good shape.

My swap has cost me about 10K (worth every penny).But, don't go into it thinking only 5K. Sure that will get your car running, but your seats will still have holes in them, your dash will be cracked, your paint will still look like crap, your bushings will still be shot, and you probably won't have a LSD. But fixing all that is half the fun, and even when you are only at 5K, you will smoke the Honda's.

You know why most people buy those mediocre cars, it is because they have never driven a powerful RWD/AWD car.

[gprodigy85]

yeah including my car and rb25 swap, suspension, wheels/tires, etc ive spent around 12k... once the rb is runnign im sure it'll be well worth all that money

[jt1583]

i was thinking the whole project to get it running and good it going good without major problems would be at or under 6,000.

s13 would be about 1,800rb20det clip + lsd = 2,438300zx NA clutch = 100two puller fans = 150exhaust work = 300

right there im looking at $4,788 plus there will be other expenses but saying that the 240 i grab comes with decent tires and suspension, i dont mind the dash or paint much i dont see how i could get close to 10,000 for install + making the car run smooth.

[Joe]

why would anyone buy a civic or anything else and not get a 240 with an rb swap? why would they pay atleast 7-10 thousand for these mediocre cars when they can pay 5-6 thousand and have a turbocharged RWD car? is it because the work involved? they dont care about speed? this is a serious question , through my browsing the forums a 240 with an RB swap looks flawless and the best possible route to go or am i missing something??

you are missing alot of things.the RB is not a swap for the novice. have you tried to find parts for a RB? it is not easy. there isnt alot of info about these motors because not many people here in the states know about them.

the RB is a great swap but its not the most amazing possible thing. honestly if i had to do it all over, i dont know if i would. 98% of the people who do swaps dont bring the engine to ends of its potential. so a RB swap, while has its own "cool" factor the numbers can easily be replicated with a SR20 or even a KA-T and parts and knowledge for those are more than plentiful. so the only advantage for most over a SR20 or a KA-T is the wow factor.

and whats wrong with a civic? or any other car for that matter? just because you cant swap an inline 6 turbo in from a skyline? well right now id rather have a K20 turbo in a civic hatch because it would run CIRCLES around almost every RB25-240 in the country.

[BoostFab]

why would anyone buy a civic or anything else and not get a 240 with an rb swap? why would they pay atleast 7-10 thousand for these mediocre cars when they can pay 5-6 thousand and have a turbocharged RWD car? is it because the work involved? they dont care about speed? this is a serious question , through my browsing the forums a 240 with an RB swap looks flawless and the best possible route to go or am i missing something??

i think you should get out more, nissan 240 isn't everything...

honda cars are well made and with reliable potential.

have you ever heard of civic hunting supra? vid 1 vid 2

Supras notes: SP74 single turbo, 6 spd, 650rwhpCivics notes: Fully built B-18C? turbo, 520fwhp, mid 10 second slips on slicks

[NISMO_RB25]

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that Honda makes good cars, but I want to be able to turn a corner in my car as well. A 10s civic with slicks is hardly going to corner well. I may only see 12s in my car when I am finished, but I will also pull 1g cornering in the same car. All the time keeping the full interior. (same with my RX-7).

SCC has an interesting article on a K20 that makes 450hp (or atleast it did till it blew up).

After driving RWD cars, and some really fast FWD cars, I don't see why anyone would want a 400HP FWD car, but everyone is intitled to buy whatever they want.

O and one of my employees has a 10 Second supra, that he drives to work everyday. (full interior, AC, everything)

[BoostFab]

but everyone is intitled to buy whatever they want.

absolutely.

but, fwd can hold it's place pretty well in auto-x. the integra type-r is no joke in scca. however, imo... rwd is a true sports car.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

WELL WITH A $5K CAP I COULD DO A 240Z W/ LS1 T-56 COMBO THAT WILL DESTROY AN RB SWAP. '71 NON-RUNNING 240Z $250'01 LS1 POWER/DRIVE TRAIN $2KMOUNT KIT/DRIVESHAFT/COMPUTER TUNE $1KHEADERS AND EXHUAST $750RADIATOR/MISC PARTS $1K

300+ RWHP, UBER TORQUE, ALMOST 400LBS LIGHTER CAR, WAY HIGHER TOP SPEED, AND 12 SEC OR LESS 1/4 MILE.

ITS ALL ABOUT CHOICE AND PREFERENCES..... I KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD TAKE AN HONDA OVER MOST THINGS AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ONLY OWN CHEVYS.

[BoostFab]

ah 240z yummmy....

[PROJECTRB240SX]

IS THAT THE MSA BODY KIT? I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT KIT FOR MY CAR ONCE I GET THE LS1 INSTALLED.

[gprodigy85]

yeah id say if you have a 5k cap... go KAT or s13 SR20...

[NISMO_RB25]

WELL WITH A $5K CAP I COULD DO A 240Z W/ LS1 T-56 COMBO THAT WILL DESTROY AN RB SWAP. '71 NON-RUNNING 240Z $250'01 LS1 POWER/DRIVE TRAIN $2KMOUNT KIT/DRIVESHAFT/COMPUTER TUNE $1KHEADERS AND EXHUAST $750RADIATOR/MISC PARTS $1K

300+ RWHP, UBER TORQUE, ALMOST 400LBS LIGHTER CAR, WAY HIGHER TOP SPEED, AND 12 SEC OR LESS 1/4 MILE.

i love 240Z's as well, but what about your suspension? How is the interior/paint/ are you getting AC? Not to pick a fight, but you run into the same thing with the RB swap, it is how complete do you want the car to be. 5K gets you a running car, but if your budget is 10K then you would have one of the baddest 240Z's around. I can't wait to see how your project comes along. That is gonna be a sweet ride.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I DON'T HAVE A $5K CAP I WAS COMPARING TO HIS STATEMENT.

THE LS1 IS ONLY ABOUT 5 POUNDS HEAVIER WITHOUT PS. I WILL BE DOING ENERGY SUSPENSION BUSHINGS, ST SWAY BARS, MSA SPRINGS, 15X8 DIAMOND RACING FRONTS WITH 15X10 REARS, 275/60/ZR15'S (GOODYEAR EAGLE F1'S) ALL THE WAY AROUND, FIA FRONT BRAKES W/ MMS 240SX REAR DISC SETUP.MY FRIENDS AT FUELED PERFORMANCE WILL BE DOING SUBFRAME CONNECTS, ROLL BAR, LS1 PORT AND POLISH, AND THE EXHAUST WORK. THEY MAY ALSO TRY AND ADAPT THE C5 REAR END INTO THE S30 CHASSIS FOR ME IF ITS NOT TOO EXPENSIVE. THE INTERIOR WILL BE REDONE COMPLETELY AND THE BODY WILL GET A MSA BODYKIT TREATMENT WITH EITHER YELLOW W/ BLACK STRIPE OR STRAIGHT BLACK PAINT. I DEFINATELY WILL BE DOING A/C AND A NICE STEREO (EVENTUALLY).

NISMO ITS NOT PICKING A FIGHT I KNOW WHAT YOUR SAYING.... I WAS JUST TELLING JT1583 THAT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU'D HAVE AN EVEN FASTER CAR AND ITS REALLY ABOUT CHOICE AND PREFERENCE.

OHH AND FOR THE DOUBTERS I'LL HAVE PICS OF EVERYTHING ONCE I RECIEVE IT ALL. I SHOULD BE PICKING THE CAR UP SOON, IF NOT I'LL GET THIS 260Z I'VE SEEN AROUND.

[NISMO_RB25]

sweet. good luck (paint it all black, with a black leather interior!)

[PROJECTRB240SX]

YEAH I AM GOING TO A LEATHER BLACK INTERIOR... I GUESS I SHOULD DO ALL BLACK EXTERIOR ALSO.

THANKS NISMO..... HOWS YOUR CAR COMING ALONG?

[NISMO_RB25]

Runs like a champ.

waiting on energy suspension bushing kit (for two months Now) just to tighten everything up a little.

I am just still trying to find the hybrid intercooler kit before I start increasing the power.

[Joe]

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that Honda makes good cars, but I want to be able to turn a corner in my car as well. A 10s civic with slicks is hardly going to corner well. I may only see 12s in my car when I am finished, but I will also pull 1g cornering in the same car. All the time keeping the full interior. (same with my RX-7).

SCC has an interesting article on a K20 that makes 450hp (or atleast it did till it blew up).

well, actually. there are 2 people i know that have 10 second ROAD race cars they run in the http://www.honda-challenge.com (road racing, door to door) they do juuuuuuuuust fine going around corners.

SCC blew that damn car up. they still dont know how, Brian the owner of HASport and that car lives a few minuets from me. they are in the process of going bigger on that beast. =)

[Bluefire]

I think the biggest factor is the sheer ease and simplicity of working on a honda...

#1 fwd Hondas are everywhere and very easy to find for very good prices compared to other rwd imports

#2 Honda parts are also everywhere and super easy to find. Sure SR parts are pretty easy to find, but you can go to any automotive shop and find products for the honda. As for RB parts... they are very very hard to find... You really have to be out there looking for a certain RB part to understand how difficult it is to find it.

#3 Honda motor swaps are very easy to do and cheap. What also makes it a hundred times better is that many of the swaps are legal in cali... ie b16 or b18 swap in crx's, civic's, integras.... etc..

#4 Handling wise hondas can hold there own... up to a point... I would guess that above 400hp rwd cars will start having an advantage, below that fwd can most definitely hang if not better rwd cars. And most people out there are not really looking to make that much power... I mean I would safely guess that more than half the sr community make less than 400.

Also according to my friend in japan... hondas dominate the tracks in japan (grip driving). *don't quote me on this* It really makes you think, especially since japan has so many nice turbo rwd cars.

People really need to get out of the mentality of the whole

awd>rwd>fwd 8cyl>6cyl 6cyl>4cyl turbo>naimport>domestic

vice versa and etc....

Every car, every mod, every swap has its advantages and disadvantages and the people that can't see that are unfortunately just ignorant.

-Bluefire

[BoostFab]

WELL WITH A $5K CAP I COULD DO A 240Z W/ LS1 T-56

ok, gas guzzler you will need to brace the z's unibody with that type of upgrade, to keep that $#17 from flexing

[PROJECTRB240SX]

GAS GUZZLER? DUDE, THEY GET 28 MPG ON THE FREEWAY AND ABOUT 22 MPG CITY IN A CAR THAT IS CLOSE TO 1K LBS HEAVIER. I KNOW ABOUT BRACING AND MY FRIENDS WILL BE DOING SUBFRAME CONNECTS AND A ROLL BAR FOR ME.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

YOU KNOW WHATS CRAZY ABOUT A LS1 240Z? WITH 275/60R15 TIRES, 3.7 REAR DIFF, T-56 TRANS, AND ABOUT 500HP THE CAR HAS A THEORETICAL TOP SPEED OF OVER 250MPH NOT ACCOUNTING FOR DRAG, LIFT, AND ROAD FRICTION.

[NISMO_RB25]

Yep, if you stay out of it on an LS1, 28mpg is achievable. Hell a supra can get 35 if you stay out of boost.

Bluefire,

excellent points and I agree. Every vehicle for that matter has some advantage or disadvantage when compared to another vehicle. If we all want to accelerate fast and corner really well, we should just go by motorcylces

[PROJECTRB240SX]

TO ARGUE WHAT IS BETTER IS STUPID. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER REALLY. HELL LOOK AT THE SCCA PRO SERIES..... THE WAY UNDER POWERED MAZDA PROTOGE IS ONE OF THE TOP COMPETITORS WITH ABOUT 5O LESS HP. A SUSPENSION THAT WORKS FOR ONE PERSON MAY NOT WORK FOR ANOTHER, DRIVING STYLES DIFFER FAR TO MUCH TO SAY THAT THERE IS ONE PERFECT SETUP FOR EVERYONE.

[BoostFab]

"28 MPG", lol, i didn't realize that.

[Joe]

its the 6th gear.