Why even consider a 90 through 92 Q45 with the chain guide issue?

[Victor]

The difference in Kelly blue book values between a 1990 Q45 and a 1994 Q45 with equal miles on them is only $1025. From several posts I read it seems like it costs around $700 to take care of the chain guide issue on a 90 through 92. Wouldn't it be better to spend the extra $325 difference on a 94 which will always be worth more than a 90 in the same condition and mileage? Spending $700 on new chain guides would not make the car worth $700 more to most buyers who probably don't even know about the issue. The Kelly blue book does not have a box to check for chain guides replaced, and is not considered in the value of the car. I think the best advice for newbies reading this board would be to avoid 90 through 92 Q45s unless you know the chain guides were replaced, unless it really isn't the big issue this board makes it out to be.

[Q451990]

Just to clarify, the 1993 model year also has supect guides. Some got the bad guides, some got the good.

At this point it's probably more about the overall cosmetic and mechanical condition of whatever car you can find... I prefer the 90-93 because of the stiffer suspension and more agressive gearing. Not to start a flame war with my 94+ bretheren, but the revision softened and in some ways cheapened the car. They traded some performance for more luxury in an effort to catch Lexus.

Keep in mind that the 94-96 has an issue with the heater mix door that can be about as expensive to fix.

Heath

[maxnix]

Just to clarify, the 1993 model year also has supect guides. Some got the bad guides, some got the good.

Not that has been verified on this board. Only 1993 that had metal guides was second owner, so could not verify guides were not done by original owner. So far, metal backed guides in any 1993 MY Q45 is all conjecture.

[elwesso]

the 90-92 Q45 is, in my opinion, THE Q45. Yea they have the guides and theres a lot more stuff thats a bit finnicky but that car is what the Japanese engineers wanted the car to be.. The 94s were a compromise, theres no doubt about it.

it all depends on what you want. very few people are going to be dedicated enough to deal with a 90-92 Q45.

the reason i left the 93s out is because IMO the 93s, despite the styling were closer to 94s than the early Q.

[Kiven422]

I prefer the 93 model, for a person that has all sports cars, the 93 Q45 would be the luxury car to have on the side. Some 90-93 Q45s already have metal backed chain guides.

[SynisterQ]

I feel the 94 up Q's look a million times better with the grill than the belt buckle. No offense to the belt buckle guys. Now that I'm older, I guess luxury and softness wins out over performance too.

[pouncer11]

i put a tag on my car for 1500 with a bad injector and no new chain guides. people have inquired already and its been four hours. Blue book in most cases isnt an issue and the average person isnt going to look into a chain guide issue or even change their oil regularly. If you were going into the car market looking specifically for a 90-92(93) Q then chances are you would know about the guide issues. At that point it would be assumed you would have extra money to deal with the issues of an old car and be expecting to put a few dollars into keepign the beast alive. So if you were to consider the car it would be because you liked the body style and engine power and had time/money on your hands to tinker under the hood. Like owning a classic car almost, but noone around you has the same make, model, or body style of car. To be unique and to enjoy your car.

[maxnix]

Some 90-93 Q45s already have metal backed chain guides.

Only if installed post original sale!

[Rex]

... Some 90-93 Q45s already have metal backed chain guides.

Only if installed post original sale!

I think he meant, - in some cases, this issue has already been resolved.

But it never hurts to clarify for those that are (hopefully) reading before the buy one they know little to nothing about.

[Haitian_King]

the 90-92 Q45 is, in my opinion, THE Q45. Yea they have the guides and theres a lot more stuff thats a bit finnicky but that car is what the Japanese engineers wanted the car to be.. The 94s were a compromise, theres no doubt about it.

it all depends on what you want. very few people are going to be dedicated enough to deal with a 90-92 Q45.

the reason i left the 93s out is because IMO the 93s, despite the styling were closer to 94s than the early Q.

Hooray! I LOVE my 92 and I don't think I'd ever move to a 94-96 (with the exception of Dammici's Q with the aero kit and President rear.)

The belt buckle kamon is still awesome (to me at least). My heart was made glad this morning. I was with a friend pulling an all nighter writing a research paper and we decided to go to McDonald's for some breakfast burritos. We take her Mercedes-Benz ML320 and we pass my Q parked in her apartment complex. She made a comment about how she loved having heated seats in her truck (it was a little nippy this morning.) and I replied "Yeah, the 94 model of my car came with heated seats." She then asked incredulously what year my car was. I told her it was a 92 and she was shocked/impressed/awestruck (pick one).

I love my car. It's amazing and constantly outperforms the other drivers I encounter on the road.

Hooray for 90-93 Q's!

I'm trying to get another one. Depending on the price and mileage, if the chain guides aren't done, I'm not messing with it unless the price comes down to somthing I can at least break even with after a part-out. If it's in good shape but lacking the chain guides, I'll do it again. Maybe even try to do it myself this time.

After this week, I'll only have 1 more week of classes, then finals. I'll be having a lot of free time on my hands to do Q-related things. I'll be taking my car to Keith to have my small ATF leak fixed, auxiliary cooler installed, thermostat and water pump replaced, and my brakes done. After that, I'll be done for a good long time (I hope).

Sorry for the long winded post, but as you can tell, I'm very enthusiastic about my Q and Q's in general. If I had another Q owner to talk to, I wouldn't have to bore you guys. I'm pretty sure my friends are tired of hearing me gush about my Q.

[Haitian_King]

i put a tag on my car for 1500 with a bad injector and no new chain guides. people have inquired already and its been four hours. Blue book in most cases isnt an issue and the average person isnt going to look into a chain guide issue or even change their oil regularly. If you were going into the car market looking specifically for a 90-92(93) Q then chances are you would know about the guide issues. At that point it would be assumed you would have extra money to deal with the issues of an old car and be expecting to put a few dollars into keepign the beast alive. So if you were to consider the car it would be because you liked the body style and engine power and had time/money on your hands to tinker under the hood. Like owning a classic car almost, but noone around you has the same make, model, or body style of car. To be unique and to enjoy your car.

TRAITOR!

I'm kidding. Seriously though, don't give it up. If you have to, park it and drive something else. Unless you're Montgomery G. Moneybags, you're not going to get everything resolved in one go. One step at a time. If unfortunately you end up getting rid of it (God forbid), please point the lucky owner in the direction of NICO (in the event it gets sold to a non-NICO member) so that they won't trash the car with their ignorance. (I'm not trying to come across as callous and jerky, but you know how the unenlightened can get. God, even that sounded rude. Pardon me, please.)

[Q45tech]

Hopefully the price of fuel increases will restrict [discourage] those that make under [100k single or 166k married no children] from considering an old V8 lux car.

Probably not, as the prices drop on all V8 the Q will standout due to paint as the best $500 car.

[Haitian_King]

Hopefully the price of fuel increases will restrict [discourage] those that make under [100k single or 166k married no children] from considering an old V8 lux car.

Probably not, as the prices drop on all V8 the Q will standout due to paint as the best $500 car.

Awww.

I'm still ok about the fuel prices. Now, if I wasn't working and had a family to support, then maybe I'd be able to ***** a little. Wawa is now charging a nickel extra for non-cash payments. Still not much of a deterrent, at least to me.

I find that not letting the Q get under 1/2 a tank makes me forget about fuel prices. I'm spending anywhere from $24-28 a week to fill up.

[Damicci]

So once the Q gets under 1/2 tank it consumes fuel faster?

I spend about 45-60 every 10-12 days filling up but I drive an 50+ miles a day. atleast til i get the second car going.

[qship96]

So once the Q gets under 1/2 tank it consumes fuel faster?

I spend about 45-60 every 10-12 days filling up but I drive an 50+ miles a day. atleast til i get the second car going.

You need a new calculator, as 50 miles/day x 10 days =500 miles......at 20mpg that would be 25 gallons of premium x $ 3.70/gallon = $92.50!

[Haitian_King]

So once the Q gets under 1/2 tank it consumes fuel faster?

I spend about 45-60 every 10-12 days filling up but I drive an 50+ miles a day. atleast til i get the second car going.

I don't think so. I just don't like looking at the needle below 1/2. And in my head, I don't mind paying $28/week for 92 octane. If I let the needle drop and it turns into $56/week, I'd feel upset.

I'm all about reducing cognitive dissonance. (when it comes to me.)

[maxnix]

...we decided to go to McDonald's for some breakfast burritos.

God, that's like going to Dunkin Donuts for Bannanas Foster.

Come to Texas, young man. I'll show you a real breakfast taco. There are no breakfast burritos down here.

[Haitian_King]

God, that's like going to Dunkin Donuts for Bannanas Foster.

Come to Texas, young man. I'll show you a real breakfast taco. There are no breakfast burritos down here.

At 7:30 on a rainy April morning after being up all night writing a paper, just about anything is edible.

I've never been to Texas, but I had a massive breakfast burrito when I spent a couple of weeks in Tucson. Best thing I've ever had.