why are people trying to make a versa fast?

[themadscientist]

Seriously, flame me if you want I don't care, but I am seriously asking whether it pisses you off or not. I could not pick another car in the nissan lineup that was a worse candidate to try an wring performance out of and the first fifteen mods would all be just to bring the car up to the level of like a sentra's abilities. I just can't make sense of it. Masochistic or something is all I can deduce. I guess if you truly love the shape enough suffer the shortcomings in every other area that would at least make some sort of sense but beyond that it just seems stunningly silly.I was in the "zomg my turbo Versa blewed up thread" and my Tidda-driving wife asked the question "why try to make it fast"? I couldn't think of anything logical so I thought I would ask. She loves her lil car for all the reasons I think it was built for, it's roomy, good on gas and relatively trouble free. I don't know why the Versa seems to be giving you guys all this trouble and it's kind of ridiculous when Tidda's seem to run like a top, you have a right to get pissed.

Anyway, WTF guys, why are you trying to make the car do what it was pretty much purpose-designed not to do? It would be like me trying to put a turbo on my Hijet. Wait, nobody here knows, I am safe from claims of hipocracy.

[skyliner34gtr]

What can I say, your right!! But I just wanna do to my Versa what I want to do. I know its not going to be a 0 - 60 in 3 seconds car, I didnt buy it for that reason. But since all these aftermarket parts are coming out for the V, I am interested in buying them, installing them and just having some good ol' fun. In the end, nope, the Versa will not be considered a Fast car, but will be considered a Fun car and having all these performance parts installed and rims, bodykits, sticker kits, sound systems and the like is just a way of saying this is MY Versa, Deal with it. Do I speak for anyone out there? And yes, for god's sake-------IM MIGHTYVERSA-------~!~!!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!

[themadscientist]

And yes, for god's sake-------IM MIGHTYVERSA-------~!~!!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!

That is unfortunate.

[skyliner34gtr]

That is unfortunate.

Well, how unfortunate it may seem, I can still be a help to other people on this forum. Yes I get out of hand sometimes, but thats only sometimes and all people have to do is back down and I will do the same. People provoke and push making other people go off the edge (me). If it were a more friendly environment and people werent so negative, I wouldnt seem like an ***hole. I can help people with their problems and help create debating topics, but if I am out of line, what stops the moderators from sending me an e-mail saying I am out of line, or what stops them from locking the thread before it gets out of hand and what also stops them from deleting the bad posts? Its all preventable given that the right moderators are on duty.

[fjwagner]

what stops the moderators from sending me an e-mail saying I am out of line, or what stops them from locking the thread before it gets out of hand and what also stops them from deleting the bad posts? Its all preventable given that the right moderators are on duty.

yes please kill this thread and delete evidence of it's existence.

[VersaMG08]

yes please kill this thread and delete evidence of it's existence.

hahaha, this is getting hilarious now that we found out who he was

[skyliner34gtr]

Do you guys agree with what I wrote in response to themadscientist?

[Atx_Versa]

With all flaming and silliness aside and the stickers

I do agree with your response to TMS.

/LoL...Dude you weren't fooling me from the beginning, nice attempt tho./

[Red Devil]

That is unfortunate.

You're telling me. I had a feeling it was him. The whole, "You know how tuff Canada is?" and "This is why Canada is super awesome" rants kinda drove the idea home. Can we finally ban this s/n too?

As far as modifying the V, everyone knows how I feel about it. While that may be the case, the same people have probably said the same things back when people were modding the 240SX. I'm sure, given time, there will be a few "go-fast" V's around. Wether or not they'll last is one thing.

That being said, I do think it's a waste of money. For the amount of money spent vs the results gained, it's a complete waste. You could easily buy a faster vehicle for the same amount.

[Kolk1]

That being said, I do think it's a waste of money. For the amount of money spent vs the results gained, it's a complete waste. You could easily buy a faster vehicle for the same amount.

I bought my 02 Camaro in 05 for 14k with only 20k miles on it. I did around $1000 in mods, and it ran 11.1 at 122. I know its not the most eye pleasing car, but it did its job.

Hell, my turbo Laser cost 2 grand, ive put $200 in mods, and about a grand in Maintenance. And it runs mid 13s. And now with all the maint done, its ready for a bigger turbo and larger fuel system. Thats another $800, and usually those mods take them to mid 12s, but I cant claim that yet. Give me a couple months for the track to open back up.

[the converted]

what stops the moderators from sending me an e-mail saying I am out of line, or what stops them from locking the thread before it gets out of hand and what also stops them from deleting the bad posts? Its all preventable given that the right moderators are on duty.

Do you guys agree with what I wrote in response to themadscientist?

So you are saying that we are here to be your mommy and clean up your messes after you? Do you need one of us to come by every morning and pick out the clothes your going to wear, and make sure you brushed your teeth too? I'm not sure about you but I was raised to clean up after myself and not act like an Idiot, and yes acting like an idiot on the internet is still acting like an idiot.

So I don't agree with what you wrote, we are not here to baby you and be your maids. Also, if you just have to be on NICO so much that you had to create another name after you were sent on vacation last time, why didn't you just act appropriately the first time?

[kc5f]

I've never modded a car I've owned, but I think I can understand why folks would take on the challenge of making the Versa something it's not. Sure, you can mod a sporty car, but how much of a surprise is it when one of them takes off from a light? Seeing a small commuter car do it, however, is something more of note!

Of course, you can end up looking and sounding as ridiculous as the Civic that passes me some mornings sounding exactly like a leaf-blower on wheels, but that's your choice. Now if you really want to be noticed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...x=109
Modified by kc5f at 10:24 AM 2/21/2009

[skyliner34gtr]

No comment, so its a start

[joker350gt]

why do people try to make a Honda FIT fast?

[skyliner34gtr]

Because of the Brand.....HONDA.....Apparently the Brand of Honda is race inspired!

[Skim302]

I'm 19 years old, my first car was a F250 which was my dad's buisness truck. Senior year I got the V. I tried everything I could to get a 5.0 that someone in my town was selling but I couldn't pull one by my parents. They knew it was fast and said no. I don't have the money to buy my own car and when they said they would get a car for me I couldn't pass that up. I personally would much rather have a faster and more street worthy car but there is no way that's happening while on my parents insurance.

And I live in Laurel, DE. I'm pretty sure no one has heard of it but it's not like there are skylines and STIs roaming the streets. Honda owners are pretty much all I see in the custom area. So it goes without saying that people are stupid about cars around here. I have kids at school ask me if my car is fast all the time.

What I'm really trying to say is the V is the only car that was offered to me. I want to get into faster more customizable cars in the future so I figured why not get some training with the V. I'm not trying to make my car be anything it's not. If you ask me if it's fast I'll tell you it's not. But I personally have no problem doing stuff to it to further my understanding of modifying cars.

[2dr_sentra]

edit. I dont see why people care what others do with there money
Modified by 2dr_sentra at 9:53 AM 2/21/2009

[Rockhound]

I agree wholeheartedly with the Mad Scientist. Shaving a few tenths off the Versa's 9.5 second 0-60 has got to be the very definition of diminishing returns.

I understand the concept of a 'sleeper', but the Versa's platform seems to lack any sort of sportiness that would make a good base to modify. Flame away, but the Fit comes stock with much better handling. But you know what? We bought the Versa instead, given all of the great features for the price.

Getting a Versa to truly perform the way some folks here would like would require a massive investment - you'd pretty much be starting from scratch. Why do that when you could easily purchase something at least somewhat intended for performance and then you could actually see meaningful gains from your modifications. I mean, sure, you could choose a minivan to make the ultimate sleeper hot rod, and given enough know-how and money it could be done - but it sure seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

What I'm really trying to say is the V is the only car that was offered to me. I want to get into faster more customizable cars in the future so I figured why not get some training with the V. I'm not trying to make my car be anything it's not. If you ask me if it's fast I'll tell you it's not. But I personally have no problem doing stuff to it to further my understanding of modifying cars.

You'll have more money to get into those 'faster more customizable cars' in the future (and sooner, no less) if you don't waste too much money on your Versa. Trust me, plenty of us were 19 at one point. And many of us know what it's like to be a few years down the road a realize that we wasted money on something we didn't need at the time.

Training yourself with performance mods on a Versa is akin to studying painting with a paint-by-numbers kit. You'd be penny-wise to just drive the Versa as-is for a while, save up your money, and then get something worth modifying in the near(er) future.

Or, better yet, like Kolk said, buy a sporty(er) used car (that doesn't have a factory warranty for goodness sake) for next to nothing and use that as your primer in performance modifications.

As far as modifying the V, everyone knows how I feel about it. While that may be the case, the same people have probably said the same things back when people were modding the 240SX.

Uhh, Red, the 240SX came to the market with a substantial performance-minded feature: rear-wheel drive. Sure, it didn't have the most impressive I4 motivating those rear wheels, but the stock setup on the 240SX was the ideal budget-minded driver's car. A polar opposite to the Versa in that respect, in that it was a completely logical choice for performance-minded modification.

[silverarrow27]

Seriously, flame me if you want I don't care, but I am seriously asking whether it pisses you off or not. I could not pick another car in the nissan lineup that was a worse candidate to try an wring performance out of and the first fifteen mods would all be just to bring the car up to the level of like a sentra's abilities. I just can't make sense of it. Masochistic or something is all I can deduce. I guess if you truly love the shape enough suffer the shortcomings in every other area that would at least make some sort of sense but beyond that it just seems stunningly silly.I was in the "zomg my turbo Versa blewed up thread" and my Tidda-driving wife asked the question "why try to make it fast"? I couldn't think of anything logical so I thought I would ask. She loves her lil car for all the reasons I think it was built for, it's roomy, good on gas and relatively trouble free. I don't know why the Versa seems to be giving you guys all this trouble and it's kind of ridiculous when Tidda's seem to run like a top, you have a right to get pissed.

Anyway, WTF guys, why are you trying to make the car do what it was pretty much purpose-designed not to do? It would be like me trying to put a turbo on my Hijet. Wait, nobody here knows, I am safe from claims of hipocracy.

If you're asking the Versa crowd that, I think you should go ask a bigger crowd called Honda-tech. Let me know what they say when you ask there They'll give you better answers than we can since they were the ones that started it all.

As for the 240sx comment from Red Devil, I agree. Back when I owned my first 240sx in 2000-2001, 90% of the people that I met thought that the 240sx was an all show no go car because of the KA. Even if it was suppose to come out to N. America as a sports coupe, everyone knew that it didn't have the engine. There were no turbo kits or superchargers then, just the basic bolt-ons.

Look at the 240sx now, it's evolved so much. Now all the nay-sayers that once said it was an all show no go car have ran over to the bandwagon and everyone and their mother drives/owns one now. Just because it was rwd to begin with didn't mean it was logical to modify it; I was in that era and mostly everyone was pretty much saying the same thing the Versa is getting now. This is just part of a car's live...ugly duckling turns into a beautiful swan.

[Ginsu]

I could not pick another car in the nissan lineup that was a worse candidate to try an wring performance out of and the first fifteen mods would all be just to bring the car up to the level of like a sentra's abilities. I just can't make sense of it.

Differences: 1) If you're talking about the SE-R, then about $7,0002) The Sentra is a SEDAN, which is not what 75% of the people on this forum were interested in.

You would probably say the exact same thing to people on the Sentra forum anyway. "Why didn't you just save for an Altima coupe or a used 350Z? You guys are morons!"

I don't know why the Versa seems to be giving you guys all this trouble and it's kind of ridiculous when Tidda's seem to run like a top, you have a right to get pissed.

What??? I can't believe nobody has jumped on this yet. I guess you're all too busy making sure Mighty Versa never participates in any discussion ever again. There is ONE campaign on the Versa and its for some obscure body panel covering that nobody actually has an issue with. A few 2007 owners had fuel pump issues, which were easily handled. I hardly think that this vehicle has problems.

Personally, I have no intentions of modding anything other than visuals. I don't even want a CAI or strut bar. But, as has already been stated, what business is it of yours or mine if someone else wants to try to put a turbo in? Its their car, not yours, and the internet is used everyday for discussing much sillier things than that.

[SuperTurbo]

Hey themadscientist

I guess the answer is more simple than we think... Basically North America's new car market don't have anything like that is pretty much the answer. (A kind of large wagon/Hatchback car with reasonable amount of power)

Look at Nissan, have Sentra SER, but... why not a Versa SER?

Back like 2 yr's ago, WRX wagon with automatic do take this spot very very well. I saw many girls is trying to own one since it's automatic, and it's more than enough power for everyday driving...

Look at the market now, how many Wagon or Hatch with big power, and it's Automatic?? I would say it's zero if you don't count Mazda 3 in
Modified by SuperTurbo at 1:09 PM 2/21/2009

[skyliner34gtrmightyversa]

I love to suck d!ck in Canadian truck stop restrooms.

[Rockhound]

Just because it was rwd to begin with didn't mean it was logical to modify it; I was in that era and mostly everyone was pretty much saying the same thing the Versa is getting now. This is just part of a car's live...ugly duckling turns into a beautiful swan.

Give me a break. Comparing a RWD coupe to the plight of the Versa is nonsense.

The only people 'saying the same thing' about the 240SX were likely under 20 years old and too busy looking for tire melting acceleration instead of just enjoying the car for what it was. The 240SX had a following from the outset from folks who wanted a sensible driver's car. Believe it or not, there are plenty of folks out there who value handling over sheer power. It's just that they're usually just more mature, i.e. not teenagers.

The 240SX just needed a little more oomph to make it an all-around sporty coupe - the capable chassis and driveline was already there. The Versa is a 1.8L-powered front-drive hatch/sedan with absolutely no sporty intentions. Apples to oranges.

Look at the market now, how many Wagon or Hatch with big power, and it's Automatic?? I would say it's zero if you don't count Mazda 3 in

So why wouldn't you count the Mazda3? The 2.3L isn't stunningly powerful stock at 156hp, but it is an infinitely more sporting vehicle than the Versa. Trust me, I own both. I also happen to still love the Versa for what it is.

[Red Devil]

Give me a break. Comparing a RWD coupe to the plight of the Versa is nonsense.

The only people 'saying the same thing' about the 240SX were likely under 20 years old and too busy looking for tire melting acceleration instead of just enjoying the car for what it was. The 240SX had a following from the outset from folks who wanted a sensible driver's car. Believe it or not, there are plenty of folks out there who value handling over sheer power. It's just that they're usually just more mature, i.e. not teenagers.

The 240SX just needed a little more oomph to make it an all-around sporty coupe - the capable chassis and driveline was already there. The Versa is a 1.8L-powered front-drive hatch/sedan with absolutely no sporty intentions. Apples to oranges.

So why wouldn't you count the Mazda3? The 2.3L isn't stunningly powerful stock at 156hp, but it is an infinitely more sporting vehicle than the Versa. Trust me, I own both. I also happen to still love the Versa for what it is.

I mainly meant the way the car came and the aftermarket. Until you saw SR swaps, there really wasn't an aftermarket for the 240SX. After SR swaps came the KA-T's, RB's, LSX's, e.t.c. All I was saying was there wasn't much in the way of aftermarket for the 240 like there was for the Integra/Civic/ Any other Honda.

And no, you can't compare the Versa and S chassis. The V is an economy minded, FWD hatchback while the 240 was a RWD entry level sports coupe.

[SuperTurbo]

Rochhound:

You actually mention 1 point already.... it's powerful, but NOT that powerful. (But somehow some PPL still consider 160HP is a lot for a small car, that's pretty much the reason why I mention that)

Other than that, the rear seat is kind of tight.... I would say it's only a bit larger than Yaris.... (So far, the rear seat of Versa is what I like the most)

but yea.... so far, I can see if Mazda Speed 3 have automatic, or WRX is back with AT, I can see this huge group of power hungry ppl (Including me) will suddenly disappear in this forum! LOL

[KimberKenobi]

I love to suck d!ck in Canadian truck stop restrooms.

... whoever made this s/n - this was completely unnecessary.

As for everything else:

The Versa is the best bang for the buck in the entry level with tons of hi-techy features and passenger room.

My first time on the autoX track (as in, 'hi, i've never done this before... what do these cones mean?'), I smoked the entire HS class and pax-ed quite a few 240s and similar. This was on stock wheels. I've noticed a marked difference with my new wider tires and am excited to see how the entirety of the upcoming season goes. (So don't tell me my car isn't powerful, capable, and agile - I have to drive on the road, not the track. The 0-40 would surprise most people - and that's really what matters.)

A Versa is what I wanted. A Versa is what I drive. And a Versa is what I will make look like and do what I want.

You wanna nay-say or give me flack, blow it up your own tailpipe.

This thread is stupid and antagonizing... and by a moderator, no less.

Seriously, if you're curious, use the almighty SEARCH button as this question has come up several times. And is usually always answered the same way. This is a Versa Forum for Versa questions, and not a place where the rest of NiCO should come sniffing to pick on us. We drive Versas either because we chose to, or we had no other choice. We do what we must because we can (rofl). We can't all be the same, life would be boring.

You really want an answer to your question? Come to a NiCO Fest where the Camel is in attendance and I'll even let you ride up front. Of course, if I stick your @$$ in the back, you'd find that you aren't cramped while I whip around 35mph curves pulling 50-60mph without sliding, losing traction, or missing a beat. in a hatchback no less

Oh, and did I mention that I got a CVT transmission, Satellite radio, 6-CD in dash changer, upgraded stereo package (which is more that suitable for now), AUX jack for my iPod, sunroof with one-touch open and tilt, keyless everything, and bluetooth (which could definitely be better, but is usable) for less than $19k? Oh, and I have my oil changed every 5-7,000 miles and won't have to flush my transmission until 100k which has really saved me in maintenance costs... I also am one of the lucky few experiencing never less than 28mpg (33mpg in the summer) and I occasionally get 40-44mpg on the highway?

Um... yeah. I LOVE MY CAMEL

Are we done here?

[silverarrow27]

Give me a break. Comparing a RWD coupe to the plight of the Versa is nonsense.

The only people 'saying the same thing' about the 240SX were likely under 20 years old and too busy looking for tire melting acceleration instead of just enjoying the car for what it was. The 240SX had a following from the outset from folks who wanted a sensible driver's car. Believe it or not, there are plenty of folks out there who value handling over sheer power. It's just that they're usually just more mature, i.e. not teenagers.

The 240SX just needed a little more oomph to make it an all-around sporty coupe - the capable chassis and driveline was already there. The Versa is a 1.8L-powered front-drive hatch/sedan with absolutely no sporty intentions. Apples to oranges.

I wasn't even comparing the Versa to the 240sx. It was more of an example and personal life experience of how the 240sx use to be "like" the Versa, where as most people thought it had no balls even with the ka24e or the ka24de. Not up until the ca18det, sr20det, KA-T, RB series, LSx, VG, VQ, and VH's came along that people really enjoyed their cars much more. Why only have one when you can have both though?

You'd be surprised that the 'people saying the same thing' actually were mostly 20-30's at the time. And as for the people enjoying the car for what it is instead of busy looking for neck crunching acceleration; that's what makes us all different. Without the neck crunching acceleration folks, the 240sx wouldn't be where it is today. Same as all other cars, imports and domestics alike.

I understand the Versa is no sporty car. I didn't say it was one either. Again, I wasn't comparing the Versa and 240sx. I was giving an example of how a car that no one liked came about to be one of the more popular cars currently with a little support to a huge aftermarket support; Versa may end up the same, similar, or not at all. I myself have owned so many 240sx's that it would be plain stupidity to compare the Versa to the s-chassis.

Don't read so deep into it next time. Any fool would know the S-chassis cars would still give the Versa an a** woopin' even as old as they are.

[whata_nicesleep]

In Reply to Kimber, thats the Moderators using their special powers to change around words!!! Mightyversa should have just stuck with Hyundais and we wouldn't have to deal with his crap.

[themadscientist]

Rochhound:

You actually mention 1 point already.... it's powerful, but NOT that powerful. (But somehow some PPL still consider 160HP is a lot for a small car, that's pretty much the reason why I mention that)

More than the haciroku had from Toyota. My old Silvia dynoed at 150 to the wheels and I could still piss people off with it.

[VersaMG08]

I agree, great post Kimber! You just spoke the words for me, I don't have to say a thing.