whos using a super 60 t3

[hondah8n]

how do you like it? i saw a guy selling his, just wanted to know what you think of it. as far as hp goals im really only looking for a little over 200 highest 230. i need quick spool as i really want something for auto x or drift.

[wild_maxx]

i just bought one... haven't used it yet though.. You will have full boost before 3k and its fine for your power goal. Its a small turbo so don't expect alot of top end out of it.

[scarboroughdub]

its a decent turbo but, it probably utilizes a standard turbine wheel which is a bit restrictive for a 2.4 displacement motor. yes lag will not be and issue but bottlenecking the motor is common with a standard shaft turbo.

but for your power goals it is acceptable.

[MarkEmark]

how do you like it? i saw a guy selling his, just wanted to know what you think of it. as far as hp goals im really only looking for a little over 200 highest 230. i need quick spool as i really want something for auto x or drift.

I used a "standard" T3 super 60 for a while (.48 a/r turbine, stage I) and found that it had unbelievable throttle response, no lag, and a VERY solid powerband between 2500-5500 rpm, which is rarely exceeded in most driving situations....past 5000 rpm, however, it does start to choke the engine and you lose boost. For low power applications it's great.

You can also find T3 super 60's that don't have that restrictive turbine--I have a new custom T3 super 60 with a .63 a/r stage III turbine and the 60 trim compressor wheel/ .60 a/r and both turbine and compressor blades are substantially larger....haven't had a chance to really open the car up yet though to see how it holds boost over the rev-range, but that will come in a few weeks

[420sxse]

How is the lag on your new super 60, compared to the old one?

[hondah8n]

I used a "standard" T3 super 60 for a while (.48 a/r turbine, stage I) and found that it had unbelievable throttle response, no lag, and a VERY solid powerband between 2500-5500 rpm, which is rarely exceeded in most driving situations....past 5000 rpm, however, it does start to choke the engine and you lose boost. For low power applications it's great.

You can also find T3 super 60's that don't have that restrictive turbine--I have a new custom T3 super 60 with a .63 a/r stage III turbine and the 60 trim compressor wheel/ .60 a/r and both turbine and compressor blades are substantially larger....haven't had a chance to really open the car up yet though to see how it holds boost over the rev-range, but that will come in a few weeks

hmm man i really want something thatll pull all the way through. i hate that "choke" feeling like in fully stock 240s after 5500. thanks for the input guys

[MarkEmark]

How is the lag on your new super 60, compared to the old one?

I personally haven't had a chance to drive the car in boost yet; I got the car running right at the end of spring break and have been at school since then...My dad's been putting miles on it and he's described to me the differences in lag.

He said he's surprised that it's really not much laggier at all compared to the other turbo (he kept telling me it'd be a lag monster and I insisted it wouldn't). Also said it's a LOT easier to keep OUT of boost when just putting around town; perhaps this is the reason why he was able to average 28 mpg when breaking it in (still got into boost and higher rpms...so that mpg is damn impressive). The boost isn't as instantaneous as it was before, but if you eas into the throttle, like you should on any turbo car (just mashing the throttle to the floor will always give you the greatest lag), it's not bad at all. He also said that you can hear that wonderful jet-engine like spooling sound a lot clearer than with the smaller turbo, and this is with a full exhaust/cat...(although that's gone now that it passed CT emissions )

Hondah8n: it's really not that small of a turbo...if you're only aiming for 200-250 hp I think it's a great turbo, and it'd be EXCELLENT for autocross because the boost is so instantaneous. But if you're like anyone else here, you'll eventually want more power, and if you're aiming for around 300 or so rwhp like I am, you'll want a bigger turbo to get there efficiently.

[hondah8n]

yea exactly man, i say i only want a little over 200. its just i want the option to be there if i wanted to push for more.

[98240]

I have a t3 super 60 at 10psi i got 229wrhp and 248pounds of tq It has really quick spool but i am still trying to work out the leaks in the intercooler plumbing. To bad i am in guam right now or that crap would be fixed.

[wild_maxx]

what size turbine housing do you have on that? I just recieved my super 60 with a .48 a/r turbine houseing. I am shooting for about 250 HP on mild built motor. Prob push up to 15 psi....

[TravisD]

MarkEmark: Have you had a chance to put the new turbo through it's paces yet? I'm very interested to hear your comments on it, as this sounds like a setup I would like, though I may go with a notchtop t28.
Modified by TravisD at 4:09 PM 5/14/2006

[MarkEmark]

MarkEmark: Have you had a chance to put the new turbo through it's paces yet? I'm very interested to hear your comments on it, as this sounds like a setup I would like, though I may go with a notchtop t28.

Modified by TravisD at 4:09 PM 5/14/2006

Nope, I've been at school in NC; just got home Saturday night, and after months of looking forward to driving it, there's rain in the forecast for the next week!!! Can't really open it up on wet roads. Plus, my dad washed the car and covered it before I got home so I don't wanna get it dirty, but I don't think I'll be able to hold off until next monday...I'll probably take it out tomorrow and let you know.

Looking at the new super 60 versus the old, it's very apparent how much LARGER the new one is; both compressor and turbine. Should work a helluva lot better than the old one.

[Florida240sx]

Get vids.....or at least some pics.

[MarkEmark]

Just got back from the first real ride in the car since last August...that's like finally being able to see your serious girlfriend after not seeing her for 8 months!

The larger T3 I'm running right now generates considerable more power at the same boost level than the smaller t3 super 60; and more importantly, it HOLDS the boost level all the way to redline (11 psi for me).

The throttle response isn't as instantaneous as the old one, but it is by NO means "laggy" (.63 a/r stage III turbine). It's a lot easier to stay out of boost just cruising though, which is very good for gas mileage.

I just can't believe how fast the car feels at 11 psi....it could be that I haven't driven it in a while, but I don't remember the car feeling this fast last summer when it was running 15 psi + on the smaller T3 super 60. A/F ratios were pretty damn rich too, as expected (10.5-10.8:1)...If I run 4 psi more and get the ratio leaned out to about 12:1, and advance the timing a little more (I have a lot of wiggle room due to the methanol injection), it will be just plain scary fast. I don't understand how anyone could possibly want (or need) more than 15 psi on a well-built KA-T with a good sized turbo for daily driving....

I'll post more pics and lots more info on my "update" thread....weather's been ****ty here (45-50 and misty/rainy), although of course, turbocharged cars love this type of weather: cool, damp, dense, thick air.

[KATwo40]

Sounds like you've done a really good job with your build and mapping out that turbo. Glad you're having fun with it.

By the way...damp = no no for good air quality. Just thought I'd toss that in there.

Keep on rockin' that turbo and let us know if you get some track times. Inquiring minds want to know!

[Jookmasta]

im running a str8 t3 but not the super 60.........just a 60 trim but with a .63 a/r exhaust housing. running 16 psi at the moment and i can say that the turbo should fit your needs both power wise and spool wise. at 10 psi, you will put down more power than your expected goal. as for the not holding to redline thing, um i hold my 15-16 psi to redline......................

[Poor_S13_Driver]

MarkEMark, the more i hear you talk about te Stage 3 T3 your running the more it intrigues me. Can you give me a link or somwhere i can read about it and where i could order one. Pardon me for being lazy.

[Edub1]

What turbo is this? A super 60 with a stage 3 turbine?

[MarkEmark]

MarkEMark, the more i hear you talk about te Stage 3 T3 your running the more it intrigues me. Can you give me a link or somwhere i can read about it and where i could order one. Pardon me for being lazy.

I got mine from MJM turbos brand new...it's a local company that happens to have a huge warehouse.

http://www.mjmturbos.com/T3Super60stage3.htm

Edub1: it's the T3 super 60 with a stage III .63 a/r turbine, .60 a/r compressor, 60 trim compressor wheel, 360* thrust bearing. It's significantly larger than my old one, and I'm sure it flows about the same as the standard t3/t4 50 trim hybrid...

[Edub1]

Interesting. But a super 60 as opposed to a 60 trim is actually a 67 trim I believe. Hence the "super" part. Was your old one a 60 trim?

It won't flow like a T3/T4 but it should give 300HP no problem and spool a lot faster

[Poor_S13_Driver]

Im looking for 200HP Daily driven at first, for a few months make sure evrything is working right and in order, then if everything is peachy after a few months then i want to run 250 HP daily driven and no more. Any from what ive read about the Stage III T3, sounds nice and i really have my heart set on it. Beggining of June i will be ordering all the parts (alot from JGS) to build my SOHC. Only thing im having trouble finding is a SOHC cam something just a little bit more aggressive, but i havent really got serious about that yet. I do want the cam before the turbo so when i send my ECU to Enthlapy he can tune for it

[BlackHat]

PDM racing does a cam for turbo apps. They shorten the overlap of intake and exhaust.

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/cam_ ... tml(Scroll to the bottom)

I don't know why but a lot of the turbo sizes and what that equates to in HP for the KA ellude me. Anywhere I can go to read up on the differant AR and housing sizes? and how they affect the turbo? I know how the turbo works in theory and seen plenty of them, but I've yet to find a good specifications explaination.

[hannibal]

Interesting. But a super 60 as opposed to a 60 trim is actually a 67 trim I believe. Hence the "super" part. Was your old one a 60 trim?

It won't flow like a T3/T4 but it should give 300HP no problem and spool a lot faster

IIRC, his former turbo had a 0.48 A/R exhaust. Seeing his results, I think that was his biggest restriction.

I think he said his old one was a super 60, but this new one was actually bigger. Maybe the first was really just a 60 trim.

A super 60 has a minor of 1.9" and a major of 2.367", making it a ~64 trim...

[Poor_S13_Driver]

Thanks BlackHat. I forgot about PDM Racing. Ill have to check them out and do some research. Im so close to getting my prject started i just need to slow down a little so i dont get careless. Ive been taking each engine system one at a time and learning. Like i will make sure i completely understand fueling system and the requirements i will need before i move on to say monitoring systems(such as wideband instalation oil pressure gauge instalation) that way when i finally do start ordering parts i will know what the heck im doing. Im still figureing out diffrent vaccum lines and what i need and what kinda emissions i dont need/get rid of and what I do need. I rember a year ago i poseted a topic about how ALL i wanted was 350HP now a year later ive realized goals and practicality and im shooting for consistentncy. The sooner you can realize practicality and understand goals, the sooner it will all make sense and take shape. (Yes i know this has nothing to do with the topic but i had to tell my story somewhere)

[Edub1]

I think there is a big cam write up here or on ka-t.org.

Hate to break it to you but Enthalpy doesn't tune the SOHC.

[BlackHat]

Don't know how DIY you are, or dumb (like me), but you could check out msefi.com. It's a standalone that can run the SOHC... with turbo. and it's pretty cheap. It's just a little brutal on the what you have to do to get it working. May be worth checking out.

[Edub1]

I tuned my ECU to correct for my 460cc injectors and I'm using a BTM to pull timing. I think this is the best setup short of a stand alone. I have my fueling on the money and dynamic controll over timing.

I can hook you up with this setup if you like.

[Poor_S13_Driver]

Wow i definatly feel like a moron now, and am dissappointed. I would have bet a lot of money that i read threads on here about using Enthalapy ECU on SOHC. Scratch those plans. Back to square one

[Poor_S13_Driver]

EDub1 I will definately be getting a hold of you next month or two so we can talk about the BTM and fueling.. this is exactly why I wanted a Tuned ECU cause i dont understand jack about the process of retarding timing, and getting that to work right, and i hate the margin for error. Well at least it gives me something new to study

[Edub1]

Don't feel like a moron. A lot of people make that mistake about Enthalpy.

Using a fuel correction with BTM is sweet. Nobody, save for a few, know exactely how timing is handled in the SOHC. Even if they do, it's a long expensive process to get it right. Plus, it's fixed to a given boost level. The BTM solves all these headaches. Fuel correction is easy.