Who is Gary Johnson?

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Obama is losing supporters to Gary Johnson as well.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ma/262861/
Let me explain how.

I am not a purist. There is no such thing as a perfect political party, or a president who governs in accordance with one's every ethical judgment. But some actions are so ruinous to human rights, so destructive of the Constitution, and so contrary to basic morals that they are disqualifying. Most of you will go that far with me. If two candidates favored a return to slavery, or wanted to stone adulterers, you wouldn't cast your ballot for the one with the better position on health care. I am not equating President Obama with a slavery apologist or an Islamic fundamentalist. On one issue, torture, he issued an executive order against an immoral policy undertaken by his predecessor, and while torture opponents hoped for more, that is no small thing.

What I am saying is that Obama has done things that, while not comparable to a historic evil like chattel slavery, go far beyond my moral comfort zone. Everyone must define their own deal-breakers. Doing so is no easy task in this broken world. But this year isn't a close call for me.

I find Obama likable when I see him on TV. He is a caring husband and father, a thoughtful speaker, and possessed of an inspirational biography. On stage, as he smiles into the camera, using words to evoke some of the best sentiments within us, it's hard to believe certain facts about him:

1.Obama terrorizes innocent Pakistanis on an almost daily basis. The drone war he is waging in North Waziristan isn't "precise" or "surgical" as he would have Americans believe. It kills hundreds of innocents, including children. And for thousands of more innocents who live in the targeted communities, the drone war makes their lives into a nightmare worthy of dystopian novels. People are always afraid. Women cower in their homes. Children are kept out of school. The stress they endure gives them psychiatric disorders. Men are driven crazy by an inability to sleep as drones buzz overhead 24 hours a day, a deadly strike possible at any moment. At worst, this policy creates more terrorists than it kills; at best, America is ruining the lives of thousands of innocent people and killing hundreds of innocents for a small increase in safety from terrorists. It is a cowardly, immoral, and illegal policy, deliberately cloaked in opportunistic secrecy. And Democrats who believe that it is the most moral of all responsible policy alternatives are as misinformed and blinded by partisanship as any conservative ideologue.
2.Obama established one of the most reckless precedents imaginable: that any president can secretly order and oversee the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. Obama's kill list transgresses against the Constitution as egregiously as anything George W. Bush ever did. It is as radical an invocation of executive power as anything d!ck Cheney championed. The fact that the Democrats rebelled against those men before enthusiastically supporting Obama is hackery every bit as blatant and shameful as anything any talk radio host has done.
3.Contrary to his own previously stated understanding of what the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution demand, President Obama committed U.S. forces to war in Libya without Congressional approval, despite the lack of anything like an imminent threat to national security.
Good stuff. Glad i'm not the only one paying attention. :woot:


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Why not translating such a tax with a current example?

Lets say, a computer in Best Buy.

Right now such a computer is $400 plus, lets say, 6% tax. So it becomes $424.00

We must remember that we are currently paying taxes to the Federal and State government, so this 6% ($24.00) is "additional" to the other taxes.

Well, with the flat tax, how much I will pay for that computer...$492.00? ...and I don't have to pay yearly anything to the Federal and State government anymore? How much the bottle of coke $1.50 plus 23%, $1.84? What about a dinner for two in a restaurant, $42.00 plus 23% tax plus 15% (waiter's tip) equals $58.00?..hey...not bad...I don't have to fill up papers anymore...

BUT... how will be with income for loans for college? Most people make "less money" after deductions like mortgage, donations, children, etc... and can apply for loans with lesser debt thanks to government grants...How such grants will be adjusted? Will they disappear?

How is with people who apply to tax credit for their property tax? Will the income level be adjusted? What new forms will be used if W-2s are not needed?

Is any web link showing examples of how Flat tax works "in the field"?

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Gary is still fighting to get in the debates. :mike

Cmon you p******, let him in if you're so right. There should be no danger in letting America take a look at him. :poke:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... er/309079/

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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... er/309079/

...silly expectations in a politically dualist country...
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Broke link Carlos.

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themadscientist wrote:Broke link Carlos.

Thanks, I fixed it...( at least here my post are not deleted...)

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Your posts get deleted when they are useless and inflammatory, the thread or forum they pollute are immaterial.

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Thanks for the explanation, I will try to refrain myself, and when something is so stupid or touching the boundaries of cordure, I will call it PG stuff... I'll hope children won't get offended... :cool:


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