Which 5 Lug Hubs to Buy?

[sbrs4144]

I have looked at many different hub assembalys to buy and dont know witch one to buy i know it it not smart to buy the cheapest one to find but witch is a good brand to buy right now i am looking at ICHIBA brand and i dont know much about them i have heard that it is a good brand and that is about it.0

[naed240sx]

Go OEM all the way around.

I hate ichiba front hubs because they are machined incorrectly. Ichiba fronts are not hubcentric for Z32 rotors. This means you have to rely on them centering on the studs, which is not a good idea. EVERY set of Ichiba front hubs has this problem, although I have not heard too many people mention it.

[RyanAwesome]

Is it the same for the peak performance ones as well?

[naed240sx]

Judging from this website:http://www.peak-performance.net/content/view/158

Yes, I would say that the peak performance ones have the same problem. Notice the two different diameters on the hubcentric part? the larger diameter is for the rotor to center, and it tapers down to be hubcentric with wheels.

Look at how much longer that element of the hub is on the rear hubs they sell. The front hubs should look like that as well. Those rear hubs they have pictured are OEM, so they are fine, but I don't like the design of the fronts. If you run brembo blank z32 rotors (which have very small lug holes) you will be fine to run peak or ichiba hubs, although the rotor will still not center as well as it would on an oem hub.

[usdm_180sx]

Go OEM all the way around.

I hate ichiba front hubs because they are machined incorrectly. Ichiba fronts are not hubcentric for Z32 rotors. This means you have to rely on them centering on the studs, which is not a good idea. EVERY set of Ichiba front hubs has this problem, although I have not heard too many people mention it.

Who told you that info? Mine are hub centric all around. Ichiba also has a 1 year warranty. I've had mine for close to 2 years with no problems.

[oneslow240se]

Is this true. i haven't heard much about it. this is the first time i heard about this. so there are issues with the hubs? If so how come there hasn't been people complaining that much about them.. i was looking into getting ichiba 5 lug conversion aswell. so any more input on these would be nice

[naed240sx]

Who told you that info? Mine are hub centric all around. Ichiba also has a 1 year warranty. I've had mine for close to 2 years with no problems.

I'm sure that they are hubcentric for the wheels no problem. for the brake rotors, the hubcentric portion simply isn't long enough. Not many people even realize that their are two separate diameters. Your rotors are being centered on the lugs. Nobody told me this information, I learned it myself because I owned Ichiba hubs for awhile, and also every set I have ever seen has the same problem. Check out this picture from their webpage and compare it to the s14 front hubs. The s14 hubs CLEARLY have different machining for the hubcentric part.





oneslow240se: I have seen SO many Ichiba hubs, and not a single set of front ones has been properly machined for the brake rotor to center. Now there could be some out there that are done correctly, but i have yet to see a single picture.

People haven't been complaining because they work just fine as long as your rotors have small enough lug holes. Most (95%) of people don't even realize that hubs have a diameter for rotors to center, and a DIFFERENT diameter for the wheels. I'm not saying that they don't work just fine, but if you want the brake rotor runout to be to factory specs, you must run oem hubs.

[usdm_180sx]

I installed the ichibas myself and I will verify that they are hubcentric to the rotors.

[naed240sx]

well then you either managed to find rotors with a very very small chamfer on the backside of the hub, or you managed to get a set of ichibas that don't have the problem. Consider yourself lucky.

[sbrs4144]

if i go with OEM parts will i need the S14 upright, along with the S14 ball joint

[elgarvo616]

id go with a broomstick.

[sbrs4144]

so what i will need to find are the S14 spindle , aftermarket ball joints witch i think are MOG-K9820 and the Nissan OEM S14 4 to 5 Lug Bolt on Front Hub Conversion w/ Bearings

[naed240sx]

Don't know why you are talking about running a hub conversion. Just need spindle, s14 balljoints( OR LCA with s14 balljoints), any s14 5 lug hubs.

Also need to drill out your coilover mounting holes for s14 spindle bolts or run collars.

[usdm_180sx]

Or get some ichibas. Or GTO/Attain hubs.

naed240sx I'd like to see a picture of some rotors mounted on these ichibas you post about.

[naed240sx]

Why? With rotor on you wouldn't be able to see much...Although I guess I could have shown how the rotor would rest on the lugs instead of the hub.

FYI the same problem occurred with 3 different brands of rotors, including the Brembos... so it's not a rotor problem, its a hub problem. I chose the brembos because they have the smallest lug holes allowing them to center satisfactorily. I am now using the brembos on my new s14 hubs and they center far better, because they are centered on the hub, not the lugs.

[usdm_180sx]

Why? With rotor on you wouldn't be able to see much...Although I guess I could have shown how the rotor would rest on the lugs instead of the hub.

FYI the same problem occurred with 3 different brands of rotors, including the Brembos... so it's not a rotor problem, its a hub problem. I chose the brembos because they have the smallest lug holes allowing them to center satisfactorily. I am now using the brembos on my new s14 hubs and they center far better, because they are centered on the hub, not the lugs.

Because you're saying that the aren't hub centric. I would just like to see how they fit because mine were fine. I do recall that there was a bad batch but iirc it was fixed.

[evildky]

there si nothing wrong with studcentric wheels, all 70-78 Z's were studcentric, I've neer heard fo a problem do to this "inferior" design, there are guys running 9 second quarter miles with this setup

[naed240sx]

You didn't read my posts right. They are perfectly hubcentric for the wheels. They are not hubcentric for rotors. Rotors are designed to be hubcentric because they do not get centering help from tapered lugs like wheels do.

[naed240sx]

Because you're saying that the aren't hub centric. I would just like to see how they fit because mine were fine. I do recall that there was a bad batch but iirc it was fixed.

I've seen dozens and dozens of build threads with ichibas, and they all had the same problem. Never seen a single one in person or in pictures that was correct. Must have been a LARGE bad batch.

[usdm_180sx]

I'll post it again: I'd like to see a picture of some rotors mounted on these ichibas you post about.

Why? to see how the rotors fit on the hubs.

[naed240sx]

Notice how there is no gap between the top of the lug holes and the lugs, but there IS gap below the lugs to the bottom of the lug holes?

The rotor is resting on the tops of the lugs, not on the hub as it SHOULD. But as I said before, the lug holes are small enough on brembos that it works.

[94_240sx]

Usually, rotor fits very tight on the hub and most of the time, you have to use bolt holes on the rotor to separate it from the hub. First, I thought it was hard to remove because of rust, but that wasn't a main reason. Yeah, I can see that there's a small gap there. It's small, but it could cause a trouble when you drive in high speed. That's why hub centric is really important.

[94_240sx]

They should have made this part bigger, so rotor can fit better. I learned it when I went to junkyard to pull z32 rear brake parts.

[naed240sx]

They should have made this part bigger, so rotor can fit better.

Exactly. Thats what I said earlier. That part is like twice as long on any OEM hubs.

[naed240sx]

Usually, rotor fits very tight on the hub and most of the time, you have to use bolt holes on the rotor to separate it from the hub. First, I thought it was hard to remove because of rust, but that wasn't a main reason. Yeah, I can see that there's a small gap there. It's small, but it could cause a trouble when you drive in high speed. That's why hub centric is really important.

It didn't actually cause me any problems. I was very worried about it at first, but eventually I was making 100 to 10mph stops on that pictured setup all day long no problems. No vibrations.

The non brembo rotors were too scary to even use. I could move the rotor up and down like 1/4 inch with it on the studs.

But like I said, I'm anal and wanted OEM spec runout so I went to s14 for peace of mind on the track.

[taco_401]

would you mind pm me the oem parts i would need to get from nissan to go oem on my s13

[240sxHitman]

Ichiba fronts are not hubcentric for Z32 rotors..

does that go for just z32 rotors, or same goes for the s14 rotors?

[naed240sx]

does that go for just z32 rotors, or same goes for the s14 rotors?

It depends on how large the bevel is on the backside of the part of the rotor that goes around the hub. Since I've never looked at the backside of an s14 rotor, I cannot say.

[usdm_180sx]

Notice how there is no gap between the top of the lug holes and the lugs, but there IS gap below the lugs to the bottom of the lug holes?

The rotor is resting on the tops of the lugs, not on the hub as it SHOULD. But as I said before, the lug holes are small enough on brembos that it works.

I don't know how much more flushness you're looking for because iirc oem rotors fit the same way.

And the 2 holes are for when the rotor seizes against the hub because of the pressure of the lug nutz holding the wheel in place applied over time.

[naed240sx]

I don't know how much more flushness you're looking for because iirc oem rotors fit the same way.

No, They don't.