Where to get CA16 Intake Camshaft?

Post by **rico05** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:04 am

I suppose that you that have them got them from a breaker yard or the like, and not anywhere that would have them in stock. Just a shot in the dark, but anyone have an extra one or know where I can get one?

Post by **nocwage** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:06 am

I got mine off a guy that was trashing his winter beater.And his ignitor, all 4 coils + harness, rad fan, MAF, and crank angle sensor.

Post by **boost_boy** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:34 am

Don't go throught the hassle of chasing down a CA16DE's camshaft because it's not worth the amount of work you're going to go through to put it in your engine. Go and get a set of regrinds or a set of name brand units with better profiles. CA16 cams suck monkey balls. It's an illusion that will hurt you in the torque department.

Dee

Post by **nocwage** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:29 am

Does anyone have proof of this?I haven't seen numbers either way, I just know it's got more duration and more lift and therefore would boost performance.

Hopefully come spring I'll get a baseline and install it and see.

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:39 am

boost_boy wrote:Don't go throught the hassle of chasing down a CA16DE's camshaft because it's not worth the amount of work you're going to go through to put it in your engine. Go and get a set of regrinds or a set of name brand units with better profiles. CA16 cams suck monkey balls. It's an illusion that will hurt you in the torque department.

Dee

PLEASE let this myth die guys. I have a set of CA18DET cams, CA18DE cams, and CA16DE cams (in my garage. right now.), and they all look identical. Hell I had to break out the micrometer to verify that there WAS a difference. Is something so small worth pulling apart your head for?

NOOOOOOOO. you might gain 1-2hp. f'ing turn up your boost half a pound and you'll see more improvement in performance

Sean

Post by **float_6969** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:53 am

LET THIS DIE!!! This CA16DE cam stuff is crap guys. Just as Sean said, the difference is barely noticible. If you going to mess with cams, follow Dee's advice and get a regrind or buy some new ones!

Post by **Nunook** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:41 pm

Its good i read this now, cause i was about to yank out an intake cam this mornin from a ca16 thinking it was better.

I was gonna set it aside for later on when im ready to install it. well now i can forget about it. thanks,

Post by **cuzan0** » Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:14 pm

i had ca16 cams on and i felt no difference at all!!!! and now i have hks 256 cams i feel not much of a difference i would say some 264 cams would be a better fit on a lightly moded car.... you can buy these on ebay used http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=WDVW

Post by **pulsar gtr** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:45 am

Ya, I put the ca16de on my ca18det engine and didn't notice any difference , I also took out my micrometer and measured and compared both cams the ca16de and the det and both measured exactly the same.

As boostboy said, it is not worth the hassle and headache, get yourself some aftermarket ones and get it over with.

PULSAR GTR

Post by **fraz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:53 am

DET camsintake: 8mm,240degexh:8.5mm,248deg

CA18dein:8.5mm,240degexh:8.5mm,248deg

CA16dein:8.5mm,248degexh:8.5mm,248deg

So by running the ca16de cam versus the ca18de cam, you are only gaining 8deg.

You can just use a exhaust cam from any CA twin cam in the intake to get the same lift and duration

Post by **float_6969** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:58 am

I still say they're crap.....

Post by **Notchbackca** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:29 am

yes you are going to loose low end torque thats what happens when you increase lift, air velocities drop, so you need to run at a higher RPM,but more radical cams aren't for runinng at 3k rpm

I do have a spare ca16de cam with the complete set of lifters if anyone is interested

Post by **niscort** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:50 pm

You also need to take into account the differing cam lobe center angles. I know these vary by about 5deg between the 18det/18de exhaust cam, but I am unsure of this value for the 16de set.

I also have different figures for the intake lifts of both the ca18's intake cams.. 7.8mm

fraz wrote:DET camsintake: 8mm,240degexh:8.5mm,248deg

CA18dein:8.5mm,240degexh:8.5mm,248deg

CA16dein:8.5mm,248degexh:8.5mm,248deg

So by running the ca16de cam versus the ca18de cam, you are only gaining 8deg.

You can just use a exhaust cam from any CA twin cam in the intake to get the same lift and duration

Post by **biosehnsucht** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:05 pm

I did some checking and it seems that, in the US, the CA16 and CA18 intake cams ARE identical. However, in Europe they're in fact different. This would explaine why no one here is noticing a difference yet plenty of people in Europe notice a difference. Unfortunately, the European cam isn't a US spec part anywhere... and the reason is likely it's only available on the Sunny ZX's without anti-polluction controls.

13020-64M00- Euro CA16DE Intake Cam (Non anti-air pollution model)13020-55M00- US CA16DE Intake Cam / CA18DE Intake cam13020-35F00- JDM/Euro CA18DET Intake Cam

Interestingly the US cam is also JDM - for pretty much all CA16/18DE's except RWD (including U12 Bluebird SSS-R); similarly quite a few of the FWD CA's in Euro-land also us the US cam.

Post by **float_6969** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:54 pm

Get real cams people....

Post by **rico05** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:55 pm

1) Don't want crap idle2) Don't want to shell out a ton of $ for HKS, etc3) Modest power goals4) NEWS FLASH: No one cares what you think Ryan

Post by **float_6969** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:02 pm

rico05 wrote:1) Don't want crap idle2) Don't want to shell out a ton of $ for HKS, etc3) Modest power goals4) NEWS FLASH: No one cares what you think Ryan

1. Talk to cuzan0, He's got 256's in his CA and it idle fine. I think you can even go to a 264 and still have good idle. Most of these aftermarket cams don't have the crazy lift that the V8 cams do, so idle isn't as adversly effected.2. Granted. I don't like spending crazy money either, BUT what I hate more is to see people spending money on a modification that will get them practically no gain in performance.3. See #24. Simma dan na! Everybody loves me and I don't care what everybody says! Heheheh

Post by **WeldingHank** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:36 am

i know of lots of DSMs with 272's that idle just fine. i think 264's would idle much like stock and if it didn't, just bump the idle!

Post by **float_6969** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:22 pm

As I said before, duration doesn't effect idle nearly as much as lift does. Due to the 2 valve design of the V8's they have an inferior flowing head design. To compensate for this, they run high lift, long duration cams. This is OK, for their head designs and the (relatively) low RPM's that they turn.

Post by **r34 gtr** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:00 pm

the reason i went with ca16 cams was that 1) they were free and 2) the head was apart anyway, so no extra work was involved to swap them.

you might see some idle issues with the massive 13mm lift jun 272's but those require solid lifters, so you have to know what youre getting into if you do that.

for the record, the jdm ca18de and det cams are *almost* identical and are as follows:duration: 240deg in/248deg exhlift: 7.8mm in/8.5mm exhlobe center angle: 120deg in/115deg exh (de), 120deg exh (det)

- tim

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