Where can I purchase the new Crower cams from?

[zippitta]

Does anyone know the site where I can purchase the crower cams and valve springs from?

[H.D.HUMPERDINK]

Unless i am wrong crower is out of there blanks and dont know when they will get more.

[zippitta]

dang that sux. Who else makes after market cams for the KA? All I could find was JWT.

[HolyShiznit]

I have had the V3's ordered and paid for, for over 7 months now. Crower is absolutely the worse company I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with. Even BoostDesigns got me my crap sooner than Crower did. I have the springs/retainers in my car but no V3 cams. This has been discussed quite a few times. No other cams have consistent dyno proven results. Not even the JWT Cams which seem to not do much more than look pretty.

[Jeff240sx]

No other cams have consistent dyno proven results. Not even the JWT Cams which seem to not do much more than look pretty.

Please post dyno and/or other proof of this. Otherwise, don't speak about what you don't know.

The JWT cams are incredible. I've not seen a direct comparison dyno, however, I can tell you that the motor wants to pull like an ox until 7k, and still pulls strong at 7.5. Also, I don't have the dreaded 15-20hp loss at the low end associated with lumpy cams. Put super aggressive cams and low comp pistons together, and you're looking at getting dusted off the line.-Jeff

[HolyShiznit]

Wait... you trash talk me, saying that I need to post proof or stfu. Then you say you have NO comparison dyno and don't post your OWN. WTF?

Dreaded 15-20 loss? Crower V2's and V3's BOTH made more torque and gave HUGE HP gains. The dyno graphs are no LONGER AVAILABLE because Ivan had to clean out PhatKA-T. The proof of the JWT cams lies in the fact that other KA-T guys have put them in their cars and they STILL LOSE power in the top end with no significant gains to be had. Talk to Ryan aka Klattr1 or look at his power curve, he has had them forever and even says they aren't worth it. And no one makes "lumpy" cams for the KA. PDM makes a turbo KA cam which has NO dyno graphs or dyno test to prove they do anything, and JWT has NO dyno graphs of their cams either. So far Crower was the ONLY company that had dyno numbers, however, out of the 7 or so variations they sent Ivan only TWO the V2's and V3's actually MADE power and produced a decent power curve. The rest did NOTHING. Who cares if your KA-T makes 10 more rwhp at 5800 rpm but STILL drops HP fast at 6grand? That was the beauty of the Crowers, HUGE HP gains and a flat *** HP curve all the way too redline.

But ya I am obviously a n00b and don't know what I am talking about. Sheesh.

[:: orion ::]

JWT cams aren't as bad as you're saying...mine make power to +6500 with no signs of dropping off - See here:



Dyno guy let off early, otherwise it would have shown power still climbing at 7k.

Just as a counterpoint...

- Brian

[HolyShiznit]

Well Orion I stand corrected. Up until now I hadn't seen proof that they worked, however it does appear that they shifted the power curve to the right. Thanks for posting that.

[klattr1]

holyshiznit, i never said it wasnt worth it. i just sold mine cuz i wanted more mid range torque blah blah blah............what i really meant is that i needed some money to spare lol.

here's some JWT cam dynos (forced induction) so you can look at the torque curve:

[HolyShiznit]

Ok ok!! I got....

[Jeff240sx]

Wait... you trash talk me, saying that I need to post proof or stfu. Then you say you have NO comparison dyno and don't post your OWN. WTF?

Sorry, I didn't know that FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE doesn't count. See.. unlike you, I'm not an armchair dyno expert. Or a Ceasar on the sidelines giving a thumbs up and thumbs down opinion based on stuff I don't have.

Quote »Dreaded 15-20 loss? Crower V2's and V3's BOTH made more torque and gave HUGE HP gains. The dyno graphs are no LONGER AVAILABLE because Ivan had to clean out PhatKA-T. [/quote]Sorry. If you make power with cams somewhere, you lose torque elsewhere. For being an armchair dyno expert, you sure don't know about the difference between peak power and the area under the curve. See, I've seen cams on a v8 lose 60ft/lbs at 2000rpm, and make 120ft/lbs more at peak. As did the Crower cams. They lost massive ammounts at the low end, but made up for it at peak. I'm not knocking the cams at all. They made much more power at peak than JWT did. I just don't think the KA should be spinning where the Crowers are trying to put the powerband at, but to each his own.

Quote »The proof of the JWT cams lies in the fact that other KA-T guys have put them in their cars and they STILL LOSE power in the top end with no significant gains to be had. Talk to Ryan aka Klattr1 or look at his power curve, he has had them forever and even says they aren't worth it.[/quote]Aside from what Ryan said, the only dyno I've seen of his was showing massive signs of heatsoak. And it doesn't really matter what cams you have, if your fmic or turbo isn't efficient, you're graph will drop like a stone.

Quote »And no one makes "lumpy" cams for the KA. PDM makes a turbo KA cam which has NO dyno graphs or dyno test to prove they do anything, and JWT has NO dyno graphs of their cams either. So far Crower was the ONLY company that had dyno numbers, however, out of the 7 or so variations they sent Ivan only TWO the V2's and V3's actually MADE power and produced a decent power curve. The rest did NOTHING. [/quote]Is this your way of marketing for Crower? 2/7 sets worked? I don't get the point of this, but there's alot of capitalized words, so it seems it should be important. See.. PDM's grind is incredibly close to JWT. Crower attempted grinds that were different, and got mixed results. JWT aren't perfect, but if PDM is copying them - it says something.

Quote »Who cares if your KA-T makes 10 more rwhp at 5800 rpm but STILL drops HP fast at 6grand? That was the beauty of the Crowers, HUGE HP gains and a flat *** HP curve all the way too redline.[/quote]But it doesn't. Did you not read my post?

Quote »But ya I am obviously a n00b and don't know what I am talking about. Sheesh.[/quote]Your words, not mine.

My one sentence asking you not to speak about what you don't know sure elicited alot of anger and capital words (yelling?). My other 3-4 sentences were trying to spare the JWT cams from slander.

Anyway, I don't know why you got worked up, and I'm not against you. Just trying to let people know, that the JWT cams are in the top 3 best mods I've ever done. 1) Turbo, 2) auto->MT, 3) cams, 4) Fidanza flywheel.

-Jeff

[HolyShiznit]

I fail to see why you even bother posting. Did you not read? I was wrong, I admitted it, I even posted a funny pic. I took great offense to you tossing me aside like some n00b. It's not like I haven't been involved and had my own experience. I had not seen the dyno graphs that Ryan posted. The ones I saw showed the typical losing power in the high end or a severe loss of torque in the low end. I am no Caesar, I had the JWT cams on my car for a month, I did not like the power band they gave. I am also no armchair dyno expert. I have been doing this for 3 years and I still obviously have stuff to learn, but I can admit when I am wrong.

But whatever.

[klattr1]

Aside from what Ryan said, the only dyno I've seen of his was showing massive signs of heatsoak. And it doesn't really matter what cams you have, if your fmic or turbo isn't efficient, you're graph will drop like a stone.

you must be referring to my 406rwhp/385ft.lb dyno sheet (23 psi of boost). the torque ended up dropping off cuz i had valve sealing problems (130, 60, 60, 130 psi and forced air coming out #2 and #3 exhaust ports of head and yes the motor was taken apart and pistons are perfectly fine and it was reassembled with new rings only), symptoms of a blown headgasket (overheating after boosting), and was lean in the 14:1 range (first time finding out).

but before all that crazy madness, i had a flat torque curve with lil drop off with a consistent setup. refer to the above 390 rwhp/352 ft.lb run (24 psi of boost) when the KA-T.org server decides it will provide service lol. the second dyno graph is Brian's (nx95240) dyno sheet at 13 psi of boost with JWT cams.

[9sec240]

I talked to Brian Crower last week. He stated that it will still be 3 months yet before they see blanks. Its BS but what can you do. He assured me though that the price will be outstanding when they do finally release them.

[HolyShiznit]

Hey Ivan!!!

I got my money back from Sound Performance they were nice about it, I talked to Brian Crower this morning and he said, maybe by Christmas time, MAYBE. That was too much for me. So maybe when they get their act together I will order again, from you of course!

[zippitta]

So when they do get the blanks in...what site can I go to to get get these things from?

[574-240sx]

I may be behind but Ivan, are you working for AMS now?

[veilside180sx]

Yes Ivan is....working at AMS.

[epokh]

Holy popcorn Batman!!..It's Ivan!This turbo240.com looks very interesting, can't wait to see what you guys have in the works over there at AMS!...No forums planned for the site?

[9sec240]

Hi guys. Yes, I work at AMS now. I have known the guys there since before they opened the shop up and have worked closely with them since the day they opened. Things at SP were getting hectic due to the owners drifting in different directions. I got a great offer from AMS and decided to make the change. I finished up with all the PhatKA-T orders (or made sure they would be taken care of) and moved operations up the street to AMS.

Sound Performance threatened "lawyers" if AMS or I tried to use PK in any way claiming that the R&D was done at SP and therefore they should keep PK for themselves. No biggie. I wanted to be able to start fresh with the new crew anyway.

Ryan just got the new web site up and we are working to get a forum up and running. I am looking forward to getting back into full swing.

[TheOne]

AMS as in the guys that build evo's(and maybe other cars)?, specially the fast 1's that have over 600hp(with a GT42R i believe, and a stroker kit) and makin some people nervous cause 1 of those won against a couple of vipers and what not?(holy crap:P)

ahh....yeah just saw yer site with a link to them.....their evos are BADASS, seen a couple of vids of 1 black and 1 white with 600+hp, damn they're fast:).(sry for goin offtopic)