WHEN i win the lottery...............

[Tsukai240]

...............this will be my car!http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/bmw_m6.asp

[PoorManQ45]

very nice!

*edit* What's up with the Torque? That seems really low for a V10 with that much HP.

[Tsukai240]

small disp high revs F1eurostyle baby!!!!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

R&T has a great writeup and some fantasic photos of that beast last month. It's amazing, perfect evolution of the M5, which has always been the ultra-high performance sedan to own. A 7 speed manual option would have been fantastic though.

[C-Kwik]

very nice!

*edit* What's up with the Torque? That seems really low for a V10 with that much HP.

Torque is more related to the displacement then power. According to Q45Tech, about 75 lb-ft is on the high end of a reasonable goal for a OEM motor. This motor is at about 78. Try finding other 5.0L motors putting out that much torque or power without the aid of forced induction.

[Rex]

Torque is more related to the displacement then power. According to Q45Tech, about 75 lb-ft is on the high end of a reasonable goal for a OEM motor. This motor is at about 78. Try finding other 5.0L motors putting out that much torque or power without the aid of forced induction.

Just for clarification, I'm pretty sure he's referring to the above torque values per liter.

[crzycav86]

Yeah.. big revs is what's important for high NA horsepower on a relatively small motor. Look at what hondas can do NA with ease, compared to our torquey KA motors.

BTW, my dad is getting my mom(for himself) a slightly used 750. I just thought I'd share since we're talking about bmw's at the moment.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Actually, being a V10 generally implies LESS torque, because that means there's less stroke length per cylindar (per any given size, over an engine of the same size with a lower cylindar count). Unless it's a truck V10, which is a V10 to add extra cylindars and therefore get more power--most cars are V10's because the V10 revs smoothly, so a V10 the same size as a V8 or V6 will be much more smooth than the 6- or 8-cylindar counterpart.

Did that make any sense to anyone?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Really? I've always been told a V10 is one of the best torque delivery arrangements there is. Now that you mention it, however, the Carrera GT is a V10, and it gets noticeably less torque than horsepower. I guess being a Viper fan has corrupted my views of v10s and torque.

Makes plenty of sense. More cylinders means smaller cylinders, which mean the forces acting on it (I'd think momentum and inertia are two big ones) are conciderably less. The trade of is less good forces, which means less torque.

[SeVa-S13]

LOL, the Viper...8.3 liters of rough sounding V10-ness, and can still only muster 500hp/545tq. When will GM and Chrysler realize that they're still using 60's technology and making about the same power now as they were back then, if not less? The Hemi? What a joke. Newsflash: 1hp/ci is no longer even an adequate level for a "performance" engine.

[nissanforlife]

didn't the early 90's geo metro get atleast 1hp/ci .. correct me if i'm wrong

[getnrowdy23]

tsukai,i have a shirt with that pic of mr rogers on it.

[Tsukai240]

does it say " welcome to my neighborHOOD, B1TCH!" ?

[gabossie]

The looks are very... un-BMW. The jury's still out on whether I like their new lines or not. The engine is a piece of art though.

[PoorManQ45]

LOL, the Viper...8.3 liters of rough sounding V10-ness, and can still only muster 500hp/545tq. When will GM and Chrysler realize that they're still using 60's technology and making about the same power now as they were back then, if not less? The Hemi? What a joke. Newsflash: 1hp/ci is no longer even an adequate level for a "performance" engine.

Bah... I think that you over generalized there. I know, I do it all the time .

But GM still makes awesome engines that litterally blow European/Asian cars right out of the water. Think, Corvette C6. Hmmm.. 400HP from a pushrod V8, and it still gets over 25mpg. I don't think that any japanese/german cars can do that.

P.S. Pushrod engine = Gobs and Gobs of Torque.

Also, one of the only things wrong with a pushrod engine is that they usually only have 2 valves per cylinder. Now, it is possible to make a 4 valve per cylinder pushrod engine, but then the pushrod engine loses its price advantage over the Overhead Cam engine.

IIRC, GM said that it costs approximately $400~$500 less to produce the corvette Pushrod V8 then it does to produce the Northstar 4.6L DOHC.

[Dirtylou]

Man that is a sweet BMW, I just kinda hate the trunk lid a lot. It looks like a Porsche when the lid fully open. When I win the lotto a koenigsegg will be my car.

[HashiriyaS14]

Well, it really needs a normal manual trans option...

And it also needs to have the option for the driver to COMPLETELY switch off all the traction control crap.

I do sorta like how they look, but they could have been cooler.

It'll be a good car so long as the electronic wizardry doesn't stand in the way of the driver clowning around.

I'll still take an E30 M3 over that, but it is slick.

[PoorManQ45]

And it also needs to have the option for the driver to COMPLETELY switch off all the traction control crap.

Don't they build in a "Dyno Mode" that completely shuts off the electronic assistance stuff? Or is that MB that I'm thinking of?

[Megaseth]

the E30s look pimp, but those engines arent that great and are hella expensive to repair/replace. as far as pushrod engines getting good gas mileage....they only get that because they have more torque at a lower rpm range to get the car moving, which means the enginedoesnt have to do as much work to get the car to highway speeds.

[I Need $$$]

the E30s look pimp, but those engines arent that great and are hella expensive to repair/replace. as far as pushrod engines getting good gas mileage....they only get that because they have more torque at a lower rpm range to get the car moving, which means the enginedoesnt have to do as much work to get the car to highway speeds.

And the gearing