Wheels too big?

[Elbowblk]

Im thinking of possibly getting some wheels from a local. dont know the brand but they look good. i know the front fits but i just want your guys general opinion.

Their 18x8.5 in the front and 18x11 in the back with a +25 offsett

my fenders are totally stock. but ima roll the **** outa them soon.

are rear wheels too wide for an s14? i usually see people with 9 or 10 inch wide wheels.

[adrianfromthecastle]

Im thinking of possibly getting some wheels from a local. dont know the brand but they look good. i know the front fits but i just want your guys general opinion.

Their 18x8.5 in the front and 18x11 in the back with a +25 offsett

my fenders are totally stock. but ima roll the **** outa them soon.

are rear wheels too wide for an s14? i usually see people with 9 or 10 inch wide wheels.

nah, 18x11 +25 is doable on stock fenders... although you're gonna need to pull your fenders and and stretch your tires.

Just to give you an idea of what you're getting yourself into...



the specs of the above pic are 18x11 +9 with 275/35's... so your 18x11 would look about ~16mm more in (assuming you'd run the same tire size and camber).

Have fun pulling your fenders, lol. Be careful though, I'm not sure about s14's, but if you pull too much on the fenders, you'll get this ugly dimple right above the wheel well (I've seen it happen many times on s13s)

[Elbowblk]

haha thanks! yeah im gonna send it to a shop to get it pulled. i rather not deal with chipping paint and ghetto looking quarterpanels lol. and if they somehow mess up. ill try to get some widebody quarter panels. dont like bringing my car to shops though they always fck up

[Exar-Kun]

"nah, 18x11 +25 is doable on stock fenders... although you're gonna need to pull your fenders and and stretch your tires. "

So it doesn't actually fit then. You're putting too small a tire on the wheel, and bending a peice of the car's fender...that means it doesn't really fit - it means you're forcing it to - like girls with jeans 2 sizes too small and a muffin top. BOth look horrible and don't do a thing for performance.

-Chet

[Exar-Kun]

Also - not to mention the massive understeer you're about to create and potential hub stress issues.

-Chet

[adrianfromthecastle]

So it doesn't actually fit then. You're putting too small a tire on the wheel, and bending a peice of the car's fender...that means it doesn't really fit -

so by you're definition of "fitting" can I say, "no, you can't fit an LS1 in an s14"... because you have to modify the firewall?

yeah right...

it means you're forcing it to - like girls with jeans 2 sizes too small and a muffin top. BOth look horrible and don't do a thing for performance.

-Chet

the question wasn't in regards to performance, it was if it can fit, in which I proved. Yes, it would take work... but imo.. pulling the fenders (to a certain degree) > chopping them up and adding wider fenders.

and your analogy is horrible... albeit the conservatives such as yourself dislike such looks, but as times change so do trends and looks (actually, the stretched tire scene has been in the dtm and jdm vip world for a long time now). Also, did it ever occur to you that it's not everyone's intention to build a track car for a daily driver? Track like performance isn't always on everyone's to-do list for their daily driver that will probably never need to go faster than the speed limit. So why not drive cool and show off you're low offset wheels while doing so?

I, personally think it looks pretty cool... It's pretty extreme yeah, but I've seen more extreme..

Also - not to mention the massive understeer you're about to create and potential hub stress issues.

-Chet

potential hub stress, maybe... but its not like the offset is in the negatives. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't camber play a bigger role anyways?

and in regards to understeer...

18x11+11

315/35 (even wider than the stretched 275's)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FCIcZ_3qs0





doesn't look like understeer to me

[Exar-Kun]

Dude, if you're banging into the firewall - yes it's not really a good fit...the car is a system designed as such and bending and hacking at stuff removes some of that integrity.

old saying - "just because you CAN doesn't mean you should"

I tend to think that if people are spending money on something it should be to imrpove the car, not make it drive worse, and hurt the body in the process. And no, it's NEVER occured to me that peole drive cars daily....thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting here previously.

Your last line sounds a bit ricey to me "why not drive cool and show off your low offset wheels"....show and no go. If that's what you want - go for it...I'm also well aware of the VIP/stretch tire trend...like many trends in the automotive industry it's perpetuated by the culture and the thought that it's "cool" while degrading a vehicles performance. For reference to this previously, see the past history (like F&F spoilers, lights, etc) and wonder why they did that?

If you think it's cool, have the money and don't care about function - do it. But I don't believe in telling someone something 'fits' without cautioning of the drawbacks and realities of what's going on.

Hub stress - I'm refering the the fact that by running a greater negative offset on a wider wheel you're increasing the leverage on the hub - and reducing your effective (wheel) spring rate as well..meaning your suspension just became less efficient - reducing ride quality and handling if you don't compensate.

Regarding the understeer - if you honestly think that power oversteer or drifitng is the same as not having a understeering car, you need a better idea of what under and oversteer really are. (Not to mention the person with the question probably doesn't ahve the power or suspension of your example to begin with)

example: A 350z understeers but has enough power to induce oversteer to clip a corner...but it's still a terminal understeering car until you fix the wheel/tire setup and alignment. Just because I took my stock 350z to a drift event and slid it around didn't mean that on track or on the street in steady-state cornering it wasn't pushing.

For a S14/S13 - It has more grip at the back due to FAR wider tires (if you do this 11" rim thing) and a higher camber-gain curve thanks to the nice multi-link rear...and you;'re telling me understeer won't be an issue?

...

/rant-Chet

[adrianfromthecastle]

Your last line sounds a bit ricey to me "why not drive cool and show off your low offset wheels"....show and no go. If that's what you want - go for it...I'm also well aware of the VIP/stretch tire trend...like many trends in the automotive industry it's perpetuated by the culture and the thought that it's "cool" while degrading a vehicles performance. For reference to this previously, see the past history (like F&F spoilers, lights, etc) and wonder why they did that?

lowriders, ratrods, bosozuko, choppers, classic show, vip, and a hand full of other vehicle genre types are all prime examples of trends that include heavily modified vehicles that have "looks" prioritized before "go" and all have their own purposes in which I've all learned to appreciate. a slammed 240sx with low offset wheels can't be it's own trend? Because you don't like it, you'll negate anything that has anything to do about it? If I had a chance to decide between dailying a slammed s13 with low offset vsxx and dailying a slightly lowered car (in which suspension geometry is better suited for handling... basically not slammed) equipped with vsxx that almost look like they were intended for a FWD car... I'll take the slammed car with low offsets and deeper lips. WHY? because its my preference, and it looks cool as hell...

Quote »I tend to think that if people are spending money on something it should be to imrpove the car, not make it drive worse, and hurt the body in the process. And no, it's NEVER occured to me that peole drive cars daily....thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting here previously. [/quote]I know guys that spend tens of thousands of dollars for their lowriders on their hydraulic suspension and stiffening their chassis to take impact from hopping.... yet with their wheels having a smaller o.d. than stock and their supension usually never sitting at the height of a proper alignment... it drives like sh*t...

that F&F example... yah, I agree that was a horrible trend that the media perpetuated... and honestly, because of the media, I think more people copied it because they actually liked that movie (moreso lower incomed societies)... but APC and all that other Autozone style crap is somewhat irrelevant to this situation. That has more or less to do with ignorance. It takes more than a trip to the ricer isle of Autozone to accomplish an ideal wheel fitment.

of course if I was to build an all out track purposed car, the wheel sizes chosen probably wouldn't even be considered (yeah, I'd definitely go with a smaller, lighter wheel), but then again, that's why studs have removable lug nuts and aftermarket suspension arms are adjustable right? to change wheels when we want and to adjust suspension that would be more suited for the track (hell, not always is one suspension spec the same for two different tracks anyways)....

also, I never said understeering WONT be an issue... I was just throwing out the idea that large wheels on an s chassis and oversteer IS possible.

now if he was asking for opionions on what specs to look for in regards to wheel/tire specs and alignment and ride height specs... this would be a completely different topic now wouldn't it... but IIRC, he was asking if a certain sized wheel fits or not. hmmmm..

[adrianfromthecastle]

all in all though, I think you (Exar-Kun) and I are both assuming things in which the OP did not state... lol... this conversation can go forever until he really states a purpose or what not.

[Elbowblk]

no worries guys this isnt gonna be an all out track car. Just my daily for now.

..... now kiss and make up

[adrianfromthecastle]

no worries guys this isnt gonna be an all out track car. Just my daily for now.

..... now kiss and make up

lol. don't get me wrong, I highly respect Exar-Kun and his info. The guy has way more experience than me, hell, his posts were one of the first I've read along with some of the other OG members (some of which don't post anymore) when I first bought my 240... I just don't like it when people are so close minded.

lol, its funny, because a buddy of mine has a z32 2+2 thats slammed with relatively low offset RPF-1's and stretched tires that barely clear the fenders.. but because z32 owners tend to be more older and conservative with their looks, he's instantly looked down upon. Hell, I think he goes to more 240sx meets than he does z meet, lol.

[Exar-Kun]

it's alll about what the person with the checking acount wants man...

I've been on every side, wild, conmservative and in the middle...the unfortunate-ness of it all is taht people don't often enough observe their car as a system before modification...instead they take a little of column "A" and column" "b" and thin that it's a good thing - when they might not be any closer to ther goal.

can you make the wheel fit? yes -adrian showed that

Is it whatyou really want? You haven;t given us enough info to tell us that...

life is a compromise - decide your priotities now man...

-Chet

(My diff clunks like hell, my flywheel makes noise and I don't care because I smoke M3s and RS4s all day...

[240lookis]

dooo iiit