WHEEL ADAPTERS: Changing from 4 to 5 lugs

[siny240sx]

Hello People,

What do you think about wheel adapters that changing 4 to 5 lugs?Have anyone used them? Are they reliable?

Thank you in advance,siny240sx

[OutToWinPAHC]

What do you mean adapters? I ordered a set of 5 lug conversion hubs and they are nice. Cost about 500 shipped. I could have done it the used way, but I prefer new.

[KDashy]

I think he means those big spacer things with studs in them that also convert 4 to 5 lug.

I dont really see the point, those adapters are at least 25mm thick. You'll only be able to run high offset 5 lug wheels.

[siny240sx]

i have s13 with 4 wheel lugs.I want to convert them into 5 lugs.

for example:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...10544

[siny240sx]

What do you mean adapters? I ordered a set of 5 lug conversion hubs and they are nice. Cost about 500 shipped. I could have done it the used way, but I prefer new.

i think we are talking about same stuff. what do you mean by used and new way?

[OutToWinPAHC]

Well you could go to the junk yard and start pulling parts off of s14's or 300zx's if they even have them, or buyu them used on ebay. But to make it easier I just ordered something like these

http://cgi.ebay.com/89-94-NISS...wItem

[eds13]

5 lug is balla,

[neverlift]

5 lug is balla,

[n240sxfnatic]

Get them, I just got ichiba fronts and they seem well made and have been recommended, as for the rears thats ur choice. I was going to get them new but found some na z32 ones for $60

[siny240sx]

thanks ppl for all of your advices! I really needed them!

what I wanna do is to put s14's alloy wheels on my black s13 fastback. who knew? I had totalled one s14 even without removing wheels and other usefull stuff from it.

so basically i can take them from any s14 or 300zx's or buy on ebay. thats good.

are they reliable?is there there any chance that my wheel may fell off?what other stuff do i need for them? rotors? what else?

TIA,siny240sx

[2ndlife]

Anyone have experience with these before?

[3r1c]

thanks ppl for all of your advices! I really needed them!

what I wanna do is to put s14's alloy wheels on my black s13 fastback. who knew? I had totalled one s14 even without removing wheels and other usefull stuff from it.

so basically i can take them from any s14 or 300zx's or buy on ebay. thats good.

are they reliable?is there there any chance that my wheel may fell off?what other stuff do i need for them? rotors? what else?

TIA,siny240sx

If you take out the 5 lug from the s14 or the 300zx and install it on the s13 your going to need extra parts from the s14 and 300zx if you use there 5 lug you going to need the s14 tension rods. For the rear you can use the 300zx 5 lug but you need to install z32 also and shocks. This is if your on a budject, just buy the front and rear 5 lug for 500 dollars online you would be more happy.

[Clawhammer]

If you take out the 5 lug from the s14 or the 300zx and install it on the s13 your going to need extra parts from the s14 and 300zx if you use there 5 lug you going to need the s14 tension rods. For the rear you can use the 300zx 5 lug but you need to install z32 also and shocks. This is if your on a budject, just buy the front and rear 5 lug for 500 dollars online you would be more happy.

Bad info here. The rears are a piece of cake. You need 5-lug hubs from an S14 or a N/A Z32. Simple as that. You don't need anything else unless you want to use the Z32's aluminum uprights. For the fronts you need the S14 5-lug hubs and the spindle. Or just get conversion hubs, which is much easier (the way I went).

[siny240sx]

Bad info here. The rears are a piece of cake. You need 5-lug hubs from an S14 or a N/A Z32. Simple as that. You don't need anything else unless you want to use the Z32's aluminum uprights. For the fronts you need the S14 5-lug hubs and the spindle. Or just get conversion hubs, which is much easier (the way I went).

hey Clawhammer,

thanks a lot man, I was going to refer to your car's pic from the beginning, but thought that would be unethical. but since you replied, yeah, thats exactly what I wanna do.

did you use conversion hubs on both front and rear?I guess I will need new rotors with 5 holes?anything else, like new brake calipers?

TIAsiny240sx

[Clawhammer]

I don't mind if you use it, it's up on the internet so it's fair game .

I got the rear hubs off a '90 NA Z32 for like 60 bucks. Lot cheapter then the $280 I paid for the front conversion hubs (Ichiba's).

Yes you will need new rotors, or you can redrill or have yours redrilled to 5 lug. Or, and don't quote me on this, I believe you can use S14 5-lug rotors. Or you could do a Z32 brake swap too, which is the route I went.

[Rex]

Anyone have experience with these before?

I'd like to know the same thing, as there isn't as many options to convert my M30 from 4 lug to 5 lug, and I have so many sets of 5 lug wheels already.

[Emperor_Tha]

Anyone have experience with these before?

it doenst look safe. the wheel will be holding on by 3 nuts.

[yokota180sx]

nothigns wrong with themid run them

[szh]

it doenst look safe. the wheel will be holding on by 3 nuts.

Hmmm ... I don't think so. The fourth lug from the original hub is also used. It becomes one of the lugs for the 5 lug setup.

Z

[yokota180sx]

correct

[Feint of Heart]

I've heard horror stories about those conversion plates. Some are well made, and others the whole wheel has snapped off due to the cheap quality of the bolts in them. Personally, (and what I am doing) I would say just get the 5-lug conversion hubs. You can get brand new conversion hubs (using OEM parts) for $450 shipped, for the front and rear.

[MxJ89HBK]

A bit off topic. were and how much did u get your lowering spings? or did u do a mod. to the suspension. Basically how did you get ur 240 that low and what size tire do you have on? NIce pic!!

[stevespeed]

if you want good wheels that dont tend to have really high offsets go 5 lug.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Ok personally I have never used the plate adapters, so I cannot comment on them. As for the junkyard piece together conversion...z32 0r S14 five lug rear hubs work, but new bearings are like $80.00 ea side I think. fronts I believe that you must use S14 front spindle and lower control arm....Also new bearings $$$ S5 makes a conversion http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem A little cheeper than Ichiba's...Some people talk trash about S5, but I have seen them they are the real deal. This does depend on what you will be using the car for also...Grip, Drift, Daily driver.

[Emperor_Tha]

Hmmm ... I don't think so. The fourth lug from the original hub is also used. It becomes one of the lugs for the 5 lug setup.

Z

oook thats good, i guess im getting these now

[Soravia]

The only 4 lug to 5 lug conversion I saw on eBay are for ricer Hondas with 4x100mm or wannabe Focus and Jettas with 4x108mm.No 4x 114.3mm on S-13/S-14

Oh! Found some.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWD1V

Personally, I'd weld these on the car for reliability. LoL

Why don't people just make wheel studs go into the wheel hub? Drill the thing and weld on new studs.

[szh]

oook thats good, i guess im getting these now

Hmmm ... hold off till you get some answers to the following concerns I have!

I figured out finally what I did not like about these adapters when I first saw them (although I was able to answer the earlier question). It took me a few days, sleep, and a little bit of time staring at the picture to get it. I see a few potential problems, and I think these need addressing before I would consider trying these out!

1. It looks like you have to cut three of the original lugs on the 4-lug hub on the car and make them shorter - just enough to allow those special "nuts" to flush attach them to the spacer! Otherwise, those three lugs will protrude out to where they contact the wheel and not allow you to mount it properly flush to the adapter! What about heat from braking? It is usually also dissipated in the wheel a bit (from rotor to hub to wheel) ... you could over-heat your brake fluid too easily ...

2. If you cut the lugs short, how do you tighten the "nuts" shown properly? Certainly tight enough to avoid them loosening up? Wheel nuts have to be torqued to 80 to 87 ft-lbs for safe use!

3. I may be wrong, but it looks like the spacer could result in an off-balance hub! If you draw a vertical line down the center of the wheel, through the two original lug holes (nearest the two new spacer lugs), then the spacer has two lugs near this line and two lugs farther from it. If you do not cut the original lugs just right (i.e, you make them too short for example), the hub/spacer combination is not balanced. This could make for unusual vibrations and/or damage to the wheel bearings due to balance problems!

4. Even if you cut the lugs perfectly, the density of the lugs is probably different from the density of the spacer material. So, the uneven spacing of the "lugs" and "holes" could also lead to an imbalanced condition.

Unless these issues are addressed, all in all, I'd stay the h___ away from these adapters!!!

Z

[Emperor_Tha]

okay i wont get it, i probably wont even keep my 240 any longer