Whats the difference between Drift and Grip Suspension?? All comment welcomed

[1993Redhatch240sx]

oh hey wasap, yeah, i was just wandering , what the difference between suspension for grip and for drift, what things should i get for grip or drift, i plan to go grip, i have some full coilovers D2's and strut bars, but i was wondering with Sway bars, and rear subframe spacers, but im not sure about the subframe spacers, oh yeah, im going with VLSD,

what about rear Traction rods,

and Front Tension rods,

all, and i mean ALL, sugestions or facts or tips or whatever is welcomed, thanks and peace out

[frsh13]

Im not a suspension guru but i do know that on most 240sx the front tension rods are not in the best shape. I would upgrade to Tien or another aftermarket company. Sway bars will also help out a lot with body roll....especially on the 240sx

[1993Redhatch240sx]

i heard that having sway bars, might help with drift too, like it will stiffen it up so much that the rear will want to slide, i dont know, thats why im posting up,

yeah, also the rear subframe spacers, make the rear stiffer, and helps it drift better, i dotn know, i just heard, need some feedback, thanks

oh yeah, keep the muthafukas coming everyone, need more info

[EazyBreazy]

depends on who you talk to.......if you talk to many of the high level drifters there will be virtually nothing different with their suspension tuning..only a different manner of driving.... but many beginning drifters set their car up with the most oversteer possible....

sway bars reduce the amount of roll the body has during a corner...thus giving the driver a sense of confidence and more control over the car.(see over steer if not properly matched front and rear)

sub frame spacers only reduce the amount of wheel hop due to solidifying the rear subframe mounts, but some other effects can be had from them....

the "vlsd" yes it will make drifting easier....that is if it works properly... but you dont need it to drift your car there are many people who have drifted open difffff cars. including myself, and 2 friends who have drifted mine........

what you need my friend is a SEARCH BUTTON. its the one on the top right.....its wonderful..it has answered almost all of my questions....you should try it.......

steve

[maxpower]

Im not a suspension guru but i do know that on most 240sx the front tension rods are not in the best shape. I would upgrade to Tien or another aftermarket company. Sway bars will also help out a lot with body roll....especially on the 240sx

Tein tension rods are weaksauce compared to the oem ones. In fact, anything tein is garbage compared to OEM (quality-wise) The problem is not with the rods themselves, but with the bushings, which can be pressed out.

[Dattebayo]

Why dont you post this in the suspension forum? It would help you better that way.

[s1ndicate]

I think a drift setup is a just a setup that is geared more towards massive oversteer as with grip, they gear it more towards a balanced(neutral) setup. All you have to do is learn alittle about what each component does and set it for alot of oversteer.

[HashiriyaS14]

Yeah, there really aren't any criteria that would qualify a suspension setup as being specifically "grip" rather than "drift".

Firstly, a lot has to do with the tires. Are you running the same tires on all corners, same widths, what pressure, etc...?

People associate certain things with a "drift"-intentioned suspension, such as camber adjustments, or stiffening the rear, but these are just tools used to achieve a desired balance, and what balance one chooses depends on a bunch of different factors.

But in terms of what I think you're asking, which is in regards to the purchasing of actual hardware, there aren't any suspension parts that I know of that are specifically "drift" parts. It doesn't really work that way, it's all in how it's set up.

This is not the case with, for instance, gravel gear, which is designed specifically to withstand the pressures and wear of an off-road driving environment.

[naed240sx]

Grip suspension setups are designed to be as neutral as possible(no understeer or oversteer) . Drift setups are designed to make it easier to loose traction at the rear, and to cause oversteer through corners. Pretty much all of the aftermarked suspension gear that you pick up for your car will be adjustable(if possible), so you will have the ability to set your car up to perform well for both types of racing. Tire pressures, spring and damping rates will all have large effects on how your car reacts. BTW, get the subframe spacers. They are worth the money and are cake to install. And buy from spl

[whiterps13]

In fact, anything tein is garbage compared to OEM (quality-wise)

youre joking, right?

[Veriest1]

Quote »Grip suspension setups are designed to be as neutral as possible(no understeer or oversteer) . Drift setups are designed to make it easier to loose traction at the rear, and to cause oversteer through corners.[/quote]I know for a fact this has been discussed before. In one of the threads someone said a JGTC winged drift car was rice.

I wish I could find the pictures on my hard drive but a JGTC spec wing is attached to the frame and provides massive downforce. Downforce provides free traction by, in a sense, simulating the positive effect of added wieght without adding the negative attributes.

The idea of wanting a drift car to severe oversteer tendancies is a misconception.

[naed240sx]

I never said severe, just oversteer

[PalmerWMD]

Moved to Drift forum..

Fred..

[raging panda]

you dont want oversteer when you are a higher level drifter. What happens when you have the car sideways already? If you have oversteer you spin out. You want a neutral suspension because when you are already sideways, handling the car is somewhat like when you are driving normally through a corner. In the beginning, lots of oversteer to make it easy to slide the rear end out and get used to sliding the rear end out is helpful, but only until you become used to it. Too much oversteer will cause you to spin out constantly. This isn't always true, there was a FD that once ran D1 with like a 18K rear spring with a 10K front or something, obviously that was set up for oversteer, but when you start looking at the contenders that are constantly on top, their setups aren't really too far off from what you would find on a circuit car. Small differences like the stretched tires on some, caster adjustments for steering angle corrections during counter steer, toe in/out depending on the car and driver preferences, but the parts are really not too different.

As for the wing comment, it's a sound argument, but not really for drifting since the wing is at an angle and doesn't really make a HUGE difference in traction, but it might make some. Nobody has done any research on a sideways car and downforce.

[1993Redhatch240sx]

well, i dont want to drift, i want to grip, i was wondering on stuff like springs rates fronts and rear, i have 9 in teh front and 7 in the rear, and i have 225 45 R16 all around, i think a VLSD should help me with any understeering,

any one have rear traction bars, or front tension rods,

what about welding your frame, just to get it stiffened, has anyone done this? any good links, t

[Liquidus]

A VLSD won't help with understeering. It won't create understeer like a clutch type LSD will, but it won't eliminate it either.

[sdtouge]

when your car is setup for oversteer, at higher speeds its more unstalbe for drifting.

also, you dont need aftermarket sway bars if you dont have qeak suace spring rates.

[1993Redhatch240sx]

Dang, i must not be stressing it enough, I DONT WANT TO DRIFT, i dont even know where this post led to it being relocated to any drift section, i still have th stock open differential, so the Vlsd, its better than stock,

just wondering, anyone ever welded theyre frame together, gotten rid of that .................gummy glue stuff. if you have, or know a good link, hook it up, i wanna get my stuff welded. should be fun too. hahaha

[raging panda]

weld the chassis you mean? because the car doesnt have a frame like in the actual sense, and the gummy feeling might be your bushings. You want that gone, its either heim joints and adjustable control arms which will be a very harsh ride, or urethane bushings which will flex a little, but not a whole lot. If you have all solid suspension components, then I guess welding the chassis and a roll cage would be the only way to stiffen the chassis any more, but that involves basically taking the car apart to its bare shell and welding all the seams together and then welding a cage into the car. There aren't too many people willing to go that far or have the capability/money to do it if they do. check out drift factory one of our sponsors about welding the chassis, they did an extensive strip down of their car to have a cage and welded chassis.

I'm guessing you haven't done much research, especially in the suspension forum on the bottom of the forum links, but whatever. 9/7 is a bit stiff unless you have some pretty soft compound tires and wherever you race is pretty flat, but with some bumps and harder compounds, its just going to bump and slide around. The harder your spring rate, the softer the tire needed to get the most out of that suspension setup. The vlsd will help, and as long as you dont slide around too much it will help you power out of corners a lot, but a quaife is ultimately you what you probably want to step up to if you are serious about grip. the vlsd can wear out after time and lose its effectiveness and basically become an open diff.

I'm not sure what your setup is, or what you know about suspension setups, but you probably should ask in the suspension seciton as they will know a lot more there about grip than in the drift forum.

[sdtouge]

the welding i tihnk your talking about is spot welding the chassy.

[1993Redhatch240sx]

yeah, thats what i meant, i dont want to weld the suspension , i meant to say , welded the body together, like if you look underneath the hood, near the strut and coil hump, theres like a seem that has that gummy glue stuff they use to hold the car together, i want to weld all of that up, i hear it stiffens the body by a lot. do you know any good links, im not too experienced searching on this site, i tryed online, but i keep getting some weird *** websites, dang internet.

I was thinking of getting a helical lsd for grip, i was told that the r33 skyline diff was helical, and that i can use it on my car, but then i was told it was really vlsd. dang, that was a heart breaker. i can also use the s15 helical , but thats too much $$$$ for me. but i think ill use vlsd , better than stock open.

oh yeah, ive heard i can use R32 skyline sway bars, are they slightly, or modestly thicker in diameter than the stock 240sx ones? might pick those up too.

[raging panda]

i dont know which r33 is hsld but i think some of them are. I dont know anything about the sway bars, but it looks like you are doing this on a serious budget.

My suggestion would be first thing get some good tires and lightweight wheels. That will make a huge difference in your handling, play with tires pressures and such. Also, get some aftermarket brake pads and rotors so you can stop later and faster, it will get your times down on the track also. Sway bars and coilovers or whatever don't do crap unless you have a way to make them connect to the road, which is your tires. vlsd will be fine unless you are doing some enduro races or tons of track days, autox it shouldnt be too big a problem.