What wideband?

[DRIFTEADOR]

I'm going to try to tackle tuning myself and was wondering how many of you guys have experience with the different wideband readers available. Considering my budget, my choice will be limited to one of the four "affordable" choices: zeitronix zt-2, innovate lm-1, plx m-500, and aem gauge type uego, in that order. All except the aem are capable of datalogging 5+ inputs. I like the zeitronics best because the display shows lambda, afr, boost, and egt all at the same time. egt probe can be bought for $65 as opposed to a $175 gauge (and has a peak/hold function for all readings), and boost solenoid is $139 while a comparable [peak/hold] gauge is ~$200. the diplay isn't too big, kinda stealth'ish. unlike jack-me-blinging gauges. the innovate for a similar price offers the same sensors contained in the datalogging unit, plus an g-sensor/accelerometer (sp?) but it diplays information in a big box that is to be read while tuning not driving...can't be dash mounted. The big advantage of the plx is that it is wireless (wireless datalogging ). aem just looks nice because the whole unit is self contained in a gauge that easily fits in a 2 1/16 pod, but offers much less.

heres a pic and the websites of each of the units

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/Products.htm $279 w/ out diplay, $399 with display ($25 off coupon available online)

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products.php$349 without LM-3 sensor box, $589 with, or $429 with LM-2 rpm converter

http://www.plxdevices.com/prod...s.htm$499, no extra sensors

http://www.aempower.com/product_ems.aspabout $400, no datalogging

finally, here is a copy of a test performed by import tuner comparing different widebands. don't pay too much attention to the first comparison, it was done closer to the turbo. the second was further down on the dp.


Modified by wtb240 at 6:50 AM 1/5/2005

[MarkEmark]

Wow, I really like that Zeitronix...how much does it cost w/o the EGT probe and boost solenoid?

I can't really answer any of your questions but I know structure240sx is running one of the plx devices and seems to be content...i'm sure he'll post

[virus77]

I have the zeitronix, and I would buy it again for my furture cars if I had to. Its wired into my E-01 so i dont have the screen but its a good system either way.

[574-240sx]

I have the innovate and it work fine for what I need it for but it is on the bulky side. The zeitronix setup looks pretty good but can really add up with all the add ons/extras.

[okis14]

the innovate for a similar price offers the same sensors contained in the datalogging unit, plus an g-sensor/accelerometer (sp?) but it diplays information in a big box that is to be read while tuning not driving...can't be dash mounted.

The LM1 can be dash mounted. You can output the reading to pretty much any kind of volt meter or use the Innovate AF gauges.



It'll add to the price and you still need to put the big box somewhere. I just put mine between the seat and center console.

I have 0 experience with the other ones so I can't say anything good or bad but the LM1 rocks.

[Structure240sx]

sorry for any slow replys fellas, im on vacation in aruba with my friends family. his dad has the"ether-net" i get to use sometimes, pretty sweet.

last year i first had the lm-1. nice unit decent price, but i jsut couldnt stand the display. yes you can buy the 2 1/16 guages for it but like okis said that adds to the cost and you still need to have the huge box somewhere.

i sold the lm-1 to a friend and bought the plx m-300. this has a much nice convient display i think and the cost was only $320 shipped. yes its not wireless and doesnt datalog, but it does get the job done just fine for me. obviously i have very decent results tuning my myself.

i havent looked into many other wideband but there are many out there worth checking out.

[DRIFTEADOR]

^ edit: added prices

574-240sx, yeah but without the extras you'd need gauges. i guess to save you could go with a cheaper mechanical boost gauge, but you wouldnt be able datalog load (you can still datalog stock sensors, like temp, maf, etc. with any). and if you want egt reading, $65 isnt bad at all for a probe. there is no cheaper egt gauge. plus you dont have to get everything at once.

okis14,what about egt and boost

...anyone read the sema coverage on the new turbo magazine (i think)? Theyre some nice new products coming out like boost controller/boost gauge w/ boost vs rpm feature that fits in a pod and a tuning/datalogging system acessed from your gameboy advance both by txs. nifty

[okis14]

okis14,what about egt and boost

If I'm looking at those to tune it that is what I use a laptop for otherwise my gauges are fine.

[SHIEF]

I've got, and hopefully soon to be working AEM one. It's all in what you want. I wanted something with a nice display simple to mount and simple to read, so I went with the AEM for $475. It's AEM so you know it's a good product to boot.

[Silverbullet91]

I've got the zeitronix kit. My only complaint is the LCD display has a little trouble keeping up with fast changing numbers, but I being a little picky. All in all, I like the system. Me and all my buddies think its worth the money. ($400)

[574-240sx]

^ edit: added prices

574-240sx, yeah but without the extras you'd need gauges. i guess to save you could go with a cheaper mechanical boost gauge, but you wouldnt be able datalog load (you can still datalog stock sensors, like temp, maf, etc. with any). and if you want egt reading, $65 isnt bad at all for a probe. there is no cheaper egt gauge. plus you dont have to get everything at once.

Yeah you have a point, at the time when I ordered the LM-1 I just need to get my a/f tuned. I figured I'm only running 7psi untill I upgrade my ecu. I haven't used data logging yet. I can see how you would be saving money in the long run. I wish the zeitronix would have been out before I bought my LM-1.

[DRIFTEADOR]

I've got the zeitronix kit. My only complaint is the LCD display has a little trouble keeping up with fast changing numbers, but I being a little picky. All in all, I like the system. Me and all my buddies think its worth the money. ($400)

well that sucks. it should only affect the display not datalogging right? cause they advertise a 60+/sec sampling rate. how are the other ones guys? come to think of it, the aem ems + older uego I used before couldnt keep up with afr either. I was using a fairly new laptop too so i dont think that was the problem. datalogging was always fine though. silver, do you have the other sensors too (boost/egt)? if you do, are the readings slow too?

[skatanic28]

my zt-2 display struggles in very cold weather, but it doesnt bother me when its warm. also it can be kinda hard to read in bright sunlight. i still like it better than the others in the same price range though.

[nissanfanatic]

http://www.streetrays.com has the PLX for much cheaper than you listed. I'm gonna go with that one.

[DRIFTEADOR]

for the m-500? its $15 cheaper.

[Silverbullet91]

Yeah, I was just talking about the display. When a number such as the .x in the AFR is chaging very fast, like it would when in closed loop, the display gets kinda of tough to read. It's not really a big deal because it still works fine in open loop which is were I'm more concerned about being able to see the AFR. The datalogging works great. I still have a KA so I don't have the other sensors. I'm gonna get a SR sometime this year so I'll probably get the boost and egt sensor then.

[virus77]

Also the Zeitronix reads rpm so you can datalog along side with A/F, good for tuning.

[crzycav86]

I didn't think too hard about which wideband to get.

All I realized was that I needed one, so I bought the lm-1 from a long-time sponsor, ka24de.com

[nissanfanatic]

Nope. For this one:

http://www.streetrays.com/cata.../2970

I believe the only difference is this one doesn't have datalogging.

[hannibal]

Since this is the all-inclusive WB thread, I thought I would add a few Ive come across. I dont know much about any of them...

Techedge (Australian company)http://www.wbo2.commodel 2A0 (complete kit) sells for AU$599several different kits starting at AU$299 plus DIY (assemble the components!) kits

FJOhttp://www.fjoracing.commodel KWB3001 (complete kit) sells for about $620



Lambdaboyhttp://www.lambdaboy.compage is under construction, so i dont have any info...