what sould i be running at the track? (1/4)

[corey240]

i have an s14 with redtop sr, greddy front mount, straight 3" greddy exhaust to apexi n1 (greddy down pipe),walbro fuel pump,injen intake,profec b spec 2,hks bov,flex a lite dual electric fans. im just curious what you guys might think im gona run. i think il hit a high-mid 13. any suggestion on what rpm i should launch off of? first time there.

[Blown240sx]

ID say if your a decent driver you should be looking at 13.6-13.9 maybe a bit lower.

Launch around 4 or so I usually try to launch higher RPM but not so high that I wheel hop or spin. Also dont just pop the clutch on take off. Feather it some.

[nzmoman]

my first SR car was a blacktop hatch. It had 3" exhaust, no cat, and an HKS intake kit. i didnt have power steering or ac. I had a stock turbo with a lightweight flywheel and beefed up clutch. I had a grounding kit, and was running the stock SE 15 inch 7 spokes.

I beat a civic EK with H22 and bolt ons on the street that ran 13.6 (consistantly)We ran 4 times and I beat him every time by 2-4 car lengths (less than 1/4 mile and still pulling)

So its kind of weird to me to hear people say they are only running mid to high 13s with many more upgrades than I had?My run was on a cool night too, but that shouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also, ive seen sr cars beat vipers and vettes on stock t25 and t28 turbos. granted these cars are a bit more modified with front mounts and maybe a turbo manifold, but I watched an s14 with and s14 sr (about 260whp) put two+ lengths on a viper five times in a row. And what made that exiting is that it only got worse as they ran.

Ive seen way too many instances where people with turbo 240s will spank a car until they hit their rev limiter. and if they dont have a limiter they will stomp until they run out of gearing.

Dont be suprised if you run on a cool day and tweak and tune a bit and can get more out of that car.

[ILikeMy240sx]

ive learned that 1/4 time really comes down to your 60 ft... it's very important.

I trapped at 105.6 MPH which means I can do high 12s with good launch and RT.. but only got like 13.9... very disappointing because my launch was hideous. my 60 ft was 2.6 haha bad bad

[corey240]

sounds good. everyone around here is running there mouths saying im not gonna break mid 14's and i just laughed.i think with a light weight drive shaft,maf,and some 550 injectors i could hit a 12. i forgot to mention i also have fidanza light weight flywheel. thanks alot!

[Blown240sx]

my first SR car was a blacktop hatch. It had 3" exhaust, no cat, and an HKS intake kit. i didnt have power steering or ac. I had a stock turbo with a lightweight flywheel and beefed up clutch. I had a grounding kit, and was running the stock SE 15 inch 7 spokes.

I beat a civic EK with H22 and bolt ons on the street that ran 13.6 (consistantly)We ran 4 times and I beat him every time by 2-4 car lengths (less than 1/4 mile and still pulling)

So its kind of weird to me to hear people say they are only running mid to high 13s with many more upgrades than I had?My run was on a cool night too, but that shouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also, ive seen sr cars beat vipers and vettes on stock t25 and t28 turbos. granted these cars are a bit more modified with front mounts and maybe a turbo manifold, but I watched an s14 with and s14 sr (about 260whp) put two+ lengths on a viper five times in a row. And what made that exiting is that it only got worse as they ran.

Ive seen way too many instances where people with turbo 240s will spank a car until they hit their rev limiter. and if they dont have a limiter they will stomp until they run out of gearing.

Dont be suprised if you run on a cool day and tweak and tune a bit and can get more out of that car.

Track driving is a totally different beast. Go to a dra strip and look at the pavement.

Also the 60 foot time is the key to racing. A bad 60 relates to big loss in time down the track.

[nzmoman]

Ive been to a strip and seen the pavement. I have not run for times. but if i am running against a car that has and I win, it only makes sense to say that I would be faster on a track because we ran on the same street. If you repeatedly beat someone on the street why would you not beat them on the track? I may not be a better driver than he was, but that night I was... multiple times. If they ran a 13.6 on the track why would you not do better on the track also if you beat them elsewhere, hence a time less than 13.6 and by many car lengths also.

though i dont know what my track and trap times are, I have never seen someone beat someone on the street and not post an average of better times at the track also (of course the average accounts for bad launches and missed shifts and other mistakes that people make when running) I just know what he ran on the strip and that I beat him on the street. So I would predict a better ETA on the strip also.

My cars are not set up for drifting either so I know that makes a difference in the suspension response under hard launches, cause I really would only spin those tires when I wanted to, unless it was raining!, but what can I say

[nzmoman]

but I do know that strip driving is different and I fully agree with not being able to tack "street" times and say they are your track time, but I didnt do that, I just said I won against a car with decent times.

[9240sx]

Well how much boost you running???I had two runs the other day.And busted out a 14.2..At 7psi..Which is actual very good where i live,Im 5100ft above sea level! At sea level i would be running low 13sec 1/4mile.There is a whole sec differents..My friends WRX with boltons and 17psi is only running 14.6,Friends modded z32TT 14.7,Friends bone stock 95 M3 15.6.

[drifter_for_life06]

altitude definately plays a factor...outside and air intake temps play a huge factor

and you better hope your launch is good

open diff is going to kill you unless you can find the sweet spot consistently

i havent run yet but im hoping for a low 14 at stock boost

10-12psi i am hoping for a mid 13

a friend of mine ran his gt2871r and ran a low 13 at 102mph...and a kinda crappy 60ft.....granted he was spinning through 2nd and 3rd....

if you can get a better 60ft than your competitino..you should win unless thy are rediculously faster than your car

[DrifterProdigy85]

I ran a 13.2 @ 109mph with 14-15psi from 2871R. 2.2 60ft time. Stock all season tires. Definitly spun to almost 80mph. Better tires should have given me a higher trap and better ET even for the 2.2 60 ft.

[Deftec]

Also, ive seen sr cars beat vipers and vettes on stock t25 and t28 turbos. granted these cars are a bit more modified with front mounts and maybe a turbo manifold, but I watched an s14 with and s14 sr (about 260whp) put two+ lengths on a viper five times in a row. And what made that exiting is that it only got worse as they ran.

[otterman]

nice use of the 500th post

[Rubenonamission]

you might wanna invest to get lsd, and some drag radials

[nzmoman]

dont go assuming that its impossible for 240s with mild setups to beat these times because most of us with these cars cant drive them to the best potential, especially if they are not setup for it!

1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 5.0(0-60) 13.2(1/4)1995 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 5.2 13.7

http://www.albeedigital.com/su....html

these are posted times from this website. feel free to check out other vehicles and definately read what it says about where they got these times. I know some people dont think these are good numbers and these drivers aren't good, but I think many of us believe that having a drift setup, i.e. stiff suspension, big turbo, high boost etc is going to post better times, but I have witnessed with my own eyes these races and I also know that drifting suspension setups arent good for 1/4 mile times, which is why Rys Millens 520ish whp GTO could barely run in the high twelves and low 13's ( im not at home but i have the exact times I will post later), his car was not setup for it and most people on here with tein suspension and big turbos are having the same problem because the cars are hard to feather b/c of sharp boost curves and light weight( the pwr/wgt ratio), also I hope you wouldnt think that just having more power means you will have a better time. Everycar has its limits on power and traction, every car, but as I said, I have witnessed vipers and vettes being beaten by Semi stock SR20DET's believe or not, I do cause Ive watched[/B

Drifterprodigy with a 13.2 and a poor trap time would have been able to match the viper that was driven by a pro driver. Now imagine that his 240 were setup for drag, he got consistant on traps, he also learns to eliminate excessive wheel spin and his opponent is sitting in a viper, but is a semi pro driver. that sr powered 240 will win, and by much more than 2 car lengths

[Deftec]

Not saying it's impossible...but unlikely set aside the fact that if one can't drive then the other has advantage...so let's say that both drivers can run the car at it's full potential?

[nzmoman]

The driver I saw beat the viper, is a semi-pro driver(not a drifter), he wasnt making a ton of power but he was able to squeeze what he needed out of a car that had much less than 300whp. (dont know the tire, but they were not slicks) that cars was in the high 12's it has much more done to it now. the 13.2 I quoted was a pro driver who would have been given many opportunities to improve that time which he obviously didn't. The corvettes time could be beaten by many guys reading this post right now, and if the guys are looking for better times they have the ability to accomplish the same against the viper.

My non-B.S. statement was just that I have seen the car that we love so much perform to that standard with mild tuning and bolt ons. so when I see people post these times with drifting set-ups I always know in my head that the SR20DET makes a decent platform if someone is looking to stay in the twelves for cheap. I know most people have drift setups because that is what the car is popular for. most available parts are for drifting not dragging. so more is not always better.

Blown240sx said that track triving is a totally different beast...I totally agree...it requires something other than our standard drift tuning and most of the people building these cars are not tuning the cars to get what thay can out of their setups, they bolt it on, check the timing and air/fuel and go running around town bragging about what they have, just because they have it, even though the parts could give them much more value and reliability with a couple of hours on a dyno. So dont give me a B.S. flag, cause as Ive said before, i will only post on these kinds of topics when I know for sure and I know what ive seen.

also, just because I said i would add it, Rhys Millen bested a 13.1 on his 520hp GTO that is a fully built car, but built for drifting. in drag form that is an easy low 12's and a stretch to high 11s with his driving ability.

Driftprodigy- i will love the day when you post your consistant 12s on this forum with your current setup. Dont worry Ill believe you. cause I know you can get that with what you have now.

[Deftec]

VIDEO!!!

[DrifterProdigy85]

i hope to go back to the track sometime in July. This time running 18psi, tuned to 11.5 AFR, and drop tire pressure down to 22-24psi instead of the 34psi that i was running before. If i cant get into 12's, its all to blame from 195/60/15 Delta All Seasons.

[Blown240sx]

Little idea of what a pretty stock SR can do.

Ive seen these 12.8 times posted by some people with highly tuned stock SRs with lightend drive shafts and stuff.

Get this

My buddy runs a 13.1Mods doneHKS 264 camsT25 on 15 psiGreddy SPL FMApexi N1 exhaustMegan racing DP and ManifoldStock LSD

thats it.

Stock ECU. No tuning at allStock MAF also

If he was to run slicks so he could get better than a 2.0 60ft hed be in 12s with ease.

[27RB240]

Yea, there's a SR20 S13 I have seen with intake, exhaust, FMIC, 14psi, Tein coilovers, new sway bars and strut bars , i think some tuning and a nismo FPR, it ran a 13.2 at 109ish......So I think a SR could have a chance at a vette or a mustang or whatever, just has to have a good driver, someone who can shift and knows the limits and how far you can push them along with what some ppl already said.....imo

[drifter_for_life06]

SR can easly beat mustangs

[nzmoman]

VIDEO!!!

give up dude...now you're just dragging this on, cause if i had a video you would then say that i faked it which is exatly why you have to let the times and finish line do the talking...and I believe that you can read others posts on here and see that, and since I feel you have run out of any logical points for any of us to address I wont waist time with you anymore...

However, I would still like to wish you and everyone else good luck with your projects be they drifting or drag, or daily and quick, looking good doing it.

[nzmoman]

i hope to go back to the track sometime in July. This time running 18psi, tuned to 11.5 AFR, and drop tire pressure down to 22-24psi instead of the 34psi that i was running before. If i cant get into 12's, its all to blame from 195/60/15 Delta All Seasons.

i bet some one will have have some decent Z rated tires or nittos or Pirellis, something they would let you borrow for a couple of runs if you needed them cause many people at the track expecially 240 sr guys, will be very interested in seeing how low you can get, so they can come and post on threads like this about their friend and his bad *** 240, But youll have to ask and it may take some food to encourage the converstaion in you favor. MMMMMmmmmmmm! Taco Bell!!!

[andrewdees]

I G-Teched mine at 12psi with a blown turbo and got a [email protected]