What should i do? Turbo, Supercharge, Remote Turbo (CALI) help!

[rm125RideR]

Im Going to be Getting a 240 soon (s14) and i want to mod the ka24de. I live in California so the SR20det will not be an opotion for me. Although turbo is illegal id love to have it. but its pretty obviouse when a car is running boost, EX: sound, intercooler, the turbo itself.

Iv been looking at remote mount turbo, sounds like a good plan but i feel like a police officer could find it. just checking my exhaust. so...

The supercharger looks good to me (the direct manifold mount) because it looks like nothing is aftermarket, no intercoolers or flashy color's. Ill have access to a computer guided cutting machine too for the adapter plate

-my queston is because you replace the lower intake manifold what do you do with all those Emission contol parts like the AAC/IACV and EGR?

Sorry you hade to read all that but any information would help!Thanks.

[WDRacing]

EGR is deleted, IACV has to incorporated back in somehow. It's mostly all custom work. You might be better off making it as fast as possible naturally aspirated and then using Nitrous. Nitrous gets a bad rap, look into the progressive controllers that are available today.

Anyway, the SCr isn't legal in CA and it can't be removed if installed. I will never live in CA...ever.

[motoman399]

I will never live in CA...ever.

great plan. the state patrol (CHP) are f-ing ridiculous here. and they only target imports. never trucks or suv's or muscle cars. its STUPID

[rm125RideR]

Thanks for the feedback. I N/A ka build would probly be pretty fun to. But its hard to make impressive numbers.

[neverlift]

nitrous?

seriously, IDK what you could docould you not use the greddy kit with carb sticker?

show me a sc build that looks stock.

a rear mount is almost the only option but then like you said all they have to do is look at your"muffler"... BUt if you made a cover panel that looks like heat shield you might just be able to pull it off. Run a separate oil supply in the rear behind a factory panel. Use a 1.5" exhaust pipe from the turbo to the intake and done. And you could have almost 0 post turbo back pressure

sohc pistons and a few smart bolt ons should be a nice daily driver. But boost IS more fun.

[WDRacing]

Man you can bolt on a 50 shot of nitrous and not even have to retard the timing. I only suggest nitrous because after doing the basics, header/CAI/cams, you'll still need some extra juice for those on ramp incursions or the occasional boosted civic.

Although if I had a spare T25 and another oil pump for return I'd slap a turbo under the car. Hell you can even use 2" flex PVC for the hot pipe from the turbo to the intake. Install a small side mount intercooler between the turbo and the TB and not even use a BOV.

Then again, I can weld and have no fear of doing things like that.

WD

[trackslut240]

have you looked into the v8s? dont know if thats legal or not. na and loads of torque.

lot of work tho. but that seems to be the ultimate route.

nevermind this idea, i just reread the part of not being able to put a sr20det. so if its no sr then i gues no v8...

i would agree with wd nitrous is an awesome way to go. stock everythiing and then shot of nitrous would give excellent seat time.

i ran the zex 75 shot without backing the timing was a lot of fun until i got creative....ordered the 150 shot jet... ... holy cow was it quick my buddy driving it, fuel cut came in too quick...cracked the ring land. took it apart, pulled out a piston and rod from another ka24de. slapped it back up for some more fun. i want nnaawwwzz.
Modified by trackslut240 at 5:50 PM 10/1/2009

[neverlift]

I am with wd still, :nos is the easiest and more hidden, but a t25 or even a t28 under car would rock. Little to no lag and room for growth.

[rm125RideR]

I love the remote turbo, its going to be a ddaily driver so nos just doesnt seem like a good alternative to turbo or supercharger (to me). If anybody has a picture of a remote turbo on a 240sx that would be great!

[WDRacing]

You'd be one of few if any.

[neverlift]

I agree bottles need to be filled ,you have to open them unless you drop coin on remote openers...

if you weld and are thrifty you could do the RMT very cheap. Less than a traditional manifold mount.

[motoman399]

check out the pikes peak build thread. he did a RMT setup and its freakin bad A$$. i think you would have much better chances doing that and getting away with it by a cop. when the cop popped my hood he didnt know what the hell he was looking for. he spent like 10 minutes looking under my intake mani lol.

zerothread?id=349679 KA-T one of the coolest setups. IMO

[C-Kwik]

great plan. the state patrol (CHP) are f-ing ridiculous here. and they only target imports. never trucks or suv's or muscle cars. its STUPID

Try living in a part of CA where modified imports are everywhere. It becomes a bit easier to blend in. I have no beef with the CHP down here. Everytime I got a ticket, I pretty much deserved it. Hell, I got a ticket once up in Clearlake. It was when I had the Turbo S14. I was doing 90 passing an RV right after the road opened up from a 2 lane winding mountain road to a flat open 4 lane section (I wanted to pass the RV before it necked back down into 2 lanes again; the RV had been blocking me from enjoying the twisties up until that point). He had is radar gun put away well before I was close enough for him to see what I was even driving.

That said, unless you make it plainly obvious from the outside that you are boosting, its unlikely an officer will ever check under the car for a turbo. I had my intercooler painted black to prevent cops (and others) from noticing. At best, your hood might get popped, but built right, you could pretty much make it look like you have a cold air intake system with a remote mount turbo.

seriously, IDK what you could docould you not use the greddy kit with carb sticker?

Last I checked, Greddy never got the KA kit passed through CARB. It had been pending, but my understanding is that CARB would not pass any of the kits using the E-Manage due to the tunability. And last I checked their website, none of the kits using the E-Manage had a CARB EO number issued. I think the only CARB legal turbo kits they sold used a FMU (Miata and Civic?)

[neverlift]

ahh I see.actually makes a bit of sense.

[motoman399]

Try living in a part of CA where modified imports are everywhere. It becomes a bit easier to blend in. I have no beef with the CHP down here. Everytime I got a ticket, I pretty much deserved it. Hell, I got a ticket once up in Clearlake. It was when I had the Turbo S14. I was doing 90 passing an RV right after the road opened up from a 2 lane winding mountain road to a flat open 4 lane section (I wanted to pass the RV before it necked back down into 2 lanes again; the RV had been blocking me from enjoying the twisties up until that point). He had is radar gun put away well before I was close enough for him to see what I was even driving.

That said, unless you make it plainly obvious from the outside that you are boosting, its unlikely an officer will ever check under the car for a turbo. I had my intercooler painted black to prevent cops (and others) from noticing. At best, your hood might get popped, but built right, you could pretty much make it look like you have a cold air intake system with a remote mount turbo.

Last I checked, Greddy never got the KA kit passed through CARB. It had been pending, but my understanding is that CARB would not pass any of the kits using the E-Manage due to the tunability. And last I checked their website, none of the kits using the E-Manage had a CARB EO number issued. I think the only CARB legal turbo kits they sold used a FMU (Miata and Civic?)

well i was down at cool april nights in redding cali. you know the one where 90% of the vehicles have "modified exhaust." i was leaving a friends driveway when the chp passed (so i was not doing anything stupid) he immediately flipped around and started following me and my friend (who was right behind me). as soon as the road opened up to a two lane he got behind me and lit me up. note that i was shifting at 2000-2500 knowing the cop was there. when he pulled me over it was strictly for modified exhaust. and that is when he popped my hood. as he was getting in his car after he wrote the ticket. i hit rev limiter till he was out of sight so moral of that story they dont always just pull you over for doing something wrong. oh and my car was stock ride height with 300z wheels so it didnt even look tricked out.

i think your right on the greddy kit. it makes sense being able to tune it instead of a preset deal. and a remote mount would be sick!!!

[rm125RideR]

Thanks motoman for the link that race car is a nice build. if i have turbo then im going to just have a stock exhaust looking and sounding pretty quiet, maby some nice tips. i know this might sound crazy but i saw how that yellow s14 race car had the turbo in the cockpit. am i crazy for thinking of gutting a my trunk. and running the turbo in the trunk? i would vent it really well with some radiator fans cause i know the turbo is HOT! i know this sounds crazy but what do you all think.

haha instead of someone looking for a sub in my trunk they will find a fat snail.

[motoman399]

i think you would be able to do it. you might want to run an oil cooler with it and a small fan on that. and you may want to build a box so that the turbo is actually out of your trunk but still in the trunk level. so your trunk is A)still usable and B) your turbo doesnt bake too much.

it would be cool if your serious about it.

[rm125RideR]

Your right, i guess i would not need an intercooler. i think i would still leave the stock airbox and piping but just sneak up the Turbo charged pipe under the the stock intake. (i would paint this all black) i drew this all up on paint i like 45 sec's sorry for it being a poor sketchwhat do you think?

[motoman399]

if it were me i would just get stock sr piping and get a CARB sticker on it. you can get them through aem, you just need to fill out a form saying that your intake was one of theirs or something like that. cant remember. but you could do it and make it look pretty stock. im all for it. lol

can you weld/have access to a welder?

[rm125RideR]

im taking a shop class and were learing how to. my buddys got a welder so ill be able to use his. the class is also getting some super computer cutting machien were you just scan a drawing and it makes it for you.

This project will be sick one im done. it would take a genous cop to track my turbo to my trunk. i think that im going to paint the new exhuast piping that rusty looking brown so everyone thinks its just some old S***** exhaust.

[neverlift]

im taking a shop class and were learing how to. my buddys got a welder so ill be able to use his. the class is also getting some super computer cutting machien were you just scan a drawing and it makes it for you.

This project will be sick one im done. it would take a genous cop to track my turbo to my trunk. i think that im going to paint the new exhuast piping that rusty looking brown so everyone thinks its just some old S***** exhaust.

I'll suggest you get a welder for yourself, once you have one and are comfortable making things, its nice to be able to go buy a pipe hack it into pieces then make a down pipe or exhaust. as this will be custom work, you need to have access to it at all times.

the rusty looking paint is a good idea, call it power of persuasion.

if this is a hatch hell no on the interior mount, you will want so GOOD venting of the area containing the turbo. Beyond the extreme heat created by a turbo, you are talking one minor exhaust leak into the cabin while going for a long drive with windows up and you are dead. Or have killed someone. I hardly drive my hatch cause of downpipe only.

cali man, they will let you guys smoke weed all day but you cant mod your car is that.

[motoman399]

if this is a hatch hell no on the interior mount, you will want so GOOD venting of the area containing the turbo. Beyond the extreme heat created by a turbo, you are talking one minor exhaust leak into the cabin while going for a long drive with windows up and you are dead. Or have killed someone. I hardly drive my hatch cause of downpipe only.

cali man, they will let you guys smoke weed all day but you cant mod your car is that.

that and in a hatch the gas tank is right under the trunk area.... so it wouldnt work too well in a hatch. but i think the OP has an s14???

your right cali is stupid. i live in humboldt county where ALL the dope growers are. its ridiculous how much money they have. i dont smoke weed. weed is for n... i wont get into that lol (inside joke with friends). so i just break the law by blowing smoke out my tail pipe haha

[Kouki KAT]

Im Going to be Getting a 240 soon (s14) and i want to mod the ka24de. I live in California so the SR20det will not be an opotion for me. Although turbo is illegal id love to have it. but its pretty obviouse when a car is running boost, EX: sound, intercooler, the turbo itself.

Hey I like how you're trying to be creative about getting around the CARB laws, but bottom line is, if you want to wrench on a 240, it's not going to be legal. So suck it up and enjoy the ride.

With that being said, you'd actually be better off with an SR20DET swap. If done well, they can look totally stock (because they are - in another country) and you'll save yourself from all the headaches of creating a custom set up. Plus, I guarantee anything you custom make will look nothing like stock.

If you can't get over the whole legality gamb|ing with a KAT or SR20, then maybe the 240 is just not for you. Just go buy a Hyundai Genesis Coupe turbo along with all of ATP turbo's (super stock looking) goodies.

But really I don't mean to hate. I like your creativity, but I seriously hate "remote turbo systems." I've never seen a good one (or one at all on a 240), and conceptually, they make no sense: add all that piping, weight, risk of damage, and trouble mounting just to keep the engine bay temps down? Take a look at that big gap over the exhaust manifold. That sh*t was made for a turbo.

[motoman399]

I like your creativity, but I seriously hate "remote turbo systems." I've never seen a good one (or one at all on a 240), and conceptually, they make no sense

did you even look at the thread on the hill climb??? ^^^^^^ look UP

Plus, I guarantee anything you custom make will look nothing like stock.But really I don't mean to hate.

in my eyes your an idiot

sorry im not normally rude on here but you obviously have no idea what your talking about. and why would you EVER tell anyone to buy a hyundai WTF!!!

[Kouki KAT]

did you even look at the thread on the hill climb??? ^^^^^^ look UP

Thanks for showing me the Pikes Peak Build thread. Now I've seen a cool remote mount turbo. But the only thing is, it's cool because of he did so much custom work on the entire car making it full blown race car status, not because it had a remote mount. And if you look at the 3rd page of the thread, he says the only reason he used that set up was because of his sponser's (STS) philosophy, not because he wanted to.

So now that I've seen one, let's help out the OP with his set up. So first, you want to take out your passenger seat, cut a hole and voila! J/K OP, if you head down this road, I'd watch your progress.

sorry im not normally rude on here but you obviously have no idea what your talking about. and why would you EVER tell anyone to buy a hyundai WTF!!!

Oh noes, a niconaut says I don't know anything?! Whatever will I do? And hate on the Hyundai all you want, but who else is producing a turbo FR 2+2 that's actually affordable? What do you think is going to be the next FR platform when all the 240s have gone the way of the dinosaur?

[upsdude]

i went and checked out a genesis a couple of weeks ago. they didn't have the turbo 4, but i got to sit inside the v6. from my experience...i was pretty impressed. seats were nice, the car itself looks nice in my opinion as well. right now i don't have a car payment which makes life so much easier...but if i change my mind i'd seriously consider picking one up. actually i'd wait a year or two, so they can get the bugs fixed. ppl knockin on hyundai and s*** really doesn't bother me-i remember i was hearing that kind of bs from the ford/chevy/gmc/dodge truck guys when i bought my titan when it first came out.