What!? Nissan Sucks???

Post by **Simmsled** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I was giving advice to one of my buddies that is about to build his first sports car. I said to go get a 90 to 93 or so 240sx. He went to talk to "his other buddy that knows cars" that has a 98 Pontiac Firebird V6 on 18 inch chrome epics. He said that Nissans suck. I got this in an email from him and I am ready to drive 75 miles (back to Indianapolis from Purdue) and find his sorry A$$ and beat some sense into him. What would you say if somebody came up to you and said... "NISSAN SUCKS!"???:mad:

Post by **Tino** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

sorry

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

i would just laugh because i know they dont have a F##king clue what they are talking about. hey what yr are you in at purdue and whats ur major?

Post by **Simmsled** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Good point. I'm a Junior at Purdue majoring in Construction Engineering Management.

Post by **Stoneage_Turbo** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

acutally i have seen a few v6 f-bodys that are worth a second thought , lots of sleeper 6cyls out there running a paxton centrif blower , there supposedly one that runs 12s also

at one point i concidered building one myself after seeing them dominate a SCCA SOLO class , but then i sobered up a little and im back at lookin for a G

but the fact of the matter is no one driveing a v6 f body has room to talk about any nissan sucking ,

Post by **UncleBen** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

depends on who it was. i would tell whoever it was though that it is NOTHING for a 240 to go 200k miles w/ not MAJOR engine work (rebuild, etc). see what they say about that. if they don't think that is much, get him out on the highway w/ his stupid v6 firebird and see if he can keep up w/ you

either that or get on some twisties

Post by **Cold_Zero** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Yo Simm,Who said that Nissans suck? Your bro and I will help you knock them around.

Post by **jEzTeR** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

The truth of the matter is that there are very few car companies that"Suck".Sure almost every one of them make some sucky cars(some more than others).They each make at least one nice car.Having respect for all of them that are due some props.NISSAN happens to be one of the ones that makes everythig awesome.

Back to the topic: I would want to talk to this person and let him in on some facts.Nissan makes 4 bangers that have more potential than the GM V6.Then there is that V6 in Simmsled's sig.Now thats a V6 that can turn out some usable power.

N-E-Way..seems like im bashing GM's but its not like that.:rolleyes

Post by **theTony** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

jEzTeR wrote:The truth of the matter is that there are very few car companies that"Suck".Sure almost every one of them make some sucky cars(some more than others).They each make at least one nice car.Having respect for all of them that are due some props.NISSAN happens to be one of the ones that makes everythig awesome.

Thank you Dane. I was just going to say exactly this! Anyone who spouts off "-insert make here- sucks" obviously is not a car enthusiast and doesn't know very much about any make or model.... period! True car guys (and gals) have a respect for evey car out there. Personally, I can find at least one thing that I like about most cars on the road. True, there really are a few cars out there that really do, or did suck, but have some back-up to your statements, whether it be facts or personal experiences. An opinion is one thing, but shooting off comments like that only makes an un-educated person look even more dumb. If this guy were to have said, "I don't really care for Nissans, I prefer domestic pony cars.", the comment would have been received much better, and he would have appeared more mature and credible.

Post by **miteymax86** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I dunno fellas, Ford has a lot of work to do if the "name here-sucks" is not to apply to them, seriously, if there were one maker I think we could all agree on that that could legitimately apply to, it would probably be ford, at least until the Yugo makes it's triumphant return to the states.

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I got a Conair hairdryer clamped on my Yugo and not only am I laying down a brutal 16hp to the left front wheel but my pistons are bouncy and manageable:)

Post by **jEzTeR** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

miteymax86 wrote:I dunno fellas, Ford has a lot of work to do if the "name here-sucks" is not to apply to them, seriously, if there were one maker I think we could all agree on that that could legitimately apply to, it would probably be ford, at least until the Yugo makes it's triumphant return to the states.

Im not a real big Ford fan but the Cobra R is a fine high HP automobile.Even if it does look very much like your everyday V6 mustang.

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I don't want to hear about "bouncy and manageable"...

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

jEzTeR wrote:Im not a real big Ford fan but the Cobra R is a fine high HP automobile.Even if it does look very much like your everyday V6 mustang.

You know what's funny Dane? The Cobra is no quicker in stock form than a stock C5 Vette. Z06 is quicker with only 15 more hp. Much higher trap speed too. More than 15 hp worth! The C5 is only rated at 350hp vs. 390 for the '03 Cobra.

I did see a new Viper in the showroom today. Whoa! Absolutely killer. 505ci V10's rock!

Post by **jEzTeR** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

repo man wrote:You know what's funny Dane? The Cobra is no quicker in stock form than a stock C5 Vette. Z06 is quicker with only 15 more hp. Much higher trap speed too. More than 15 hp worth! The C5 is only rated at 350hp vs. 390 for the '03 Cobra.

I did see a new Viper in the showroom today. Whoa! Absolutely killer. 505ci V10's rock!

You forgot that the price of the Z06 is cheeper than the Cobra R,not to mention that with th Vette you still get leather CD sound system power seats/windows/doorlocks/mirrors,and dont forget air.LOL BUT just because Chevy did it better does not meen that the Cobra R sucks.

Post by **Stoneage_Turbo** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

are they firm too?

the GM 3.8 is a outstanding engine , probably the best engineered pushrod v6 out there , so good in fact that ford copied the early GM 3.8 engine for there own 3.8 (damn i forgot that link i had) anyway its a serious engine the block and baisc arcetecture have seen factory hp rateings from 165-275hp and at indy running a stock block in the mid 80s saw 800hp, buick always gets the best versions tho , in the 70s when a buick weighed close to 4,000 pounds a 3.8 turbo moved it as good as its compeption with 2 more cylanders and tons worse gas milage

but in a camaro , im sorry but its a law to only talk if you have a real v8 under the hood of one and not a non tpi 305 either

sorry guys im a GM 3.8 buff , and there is something good about every car made , even the ford festiva , only people who know nothing about cars bash other owners , so just let him be hes to ignorant to even bother , beating him senseless wont change him , but it might make you feel beatter

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Stoneage_Turbo wrote:the GM 3.8 is a outstanding engine , probably the best engineered pushrod v6 out there...and at indy running a stock block in the mid 80s saw 800hp, buick always gets the best versions tho , in the 70s when a buick weighed close to 4,000 pounds a 3.8 turbo moved it as good as its compeption with 2 more cylanders and tons worse gas milage

Preach it reverend! Turbo Buicks own all! At least in a straight line. The Indy V6 was not the same block however as the production block. The standard 3.8l turbo had a two bolt mains, which is not strong enough to support 800hp, much less reliably for 500 hard miles. Up until the early to mid 90's, you could buy a Stage 2 block which was significantly stronger and have been the powerplant for several 7 second cars. Anyway...

The current version of the 3.8 IS an excellent engine. I have one in an '01 Pontiac Grand Prix that my wife drives. It has a crossbolt mains design which is very strong. Too bad it's not turbo'd!

Post by **UncleBen** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

b4 i found the 240, i about baught a Buick Gran National. Of course it was the black color, needed tires, the paint was starting to fade in spots, but all of these problems disappeared when i poped the hood and trunk. in the trunk were 4 10" kickers, under the hood was chrome everywhere. i talked to the guy and he said he had rebiult the auto transmission, and done MAJOR internal work, w/ a larger turbo and FMIC. said before he did all of this work, it was runnin about mid-high 13's i think. that car is the fastest car i've ever been in, and i have ridden in C5 vettes, Z28's, etc etc.

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

95silviase wrote:b4 i found the 240, i about baught a Buick Gran National. Of course it was the black color, needed tires, the paint was starting to fade in spots, but all of these problems disappeared when i poped the hood and trunk. in the trunk were 4 10" kickers, under the hood was chrome everywhere. i talked to the guy and he said he had rebiult the auto transmission, and done MAJOR internal work, w/ a larger turbo and FMIC. said before he did all of this work, it was runnin about mid-high 13's i think. that car is the fastest car i've ever been in, and i have ridden in C5 vettes, Z28's, etc etc.

Hehe, yeah Ben you Bowling Green guys get the Buick education every summer, don't you? Why didn't you buy the GN?

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I would love to roll a GN in Japan, "nice GT-R, wanna race"?

Post by **Tino** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Geez, don't get me wrong I love the 240 but that GN benjamin was yakkin about giving me second thoughts.

Post by **Rev_D21** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

I would laugh at the V6 Firebird.

Post by **Stoneage_Turbo** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

"The standard 3.8l turbo had a two bolt mains, which is not strong enough to support 800hp, much less reliably for 500 hard miles."

so what was all the fuss about the "stock block" buicks at indy? was a stock block a buick motorsports casting vs a team casting?

didnt know about the 2 bolt mains or the new cross bolt design , and i thought a series2 was just heads

Post by **90Q45blue** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Simmsled wrote:What would you say if somebody came up to you and said... "NISSAN SUCKS!"???:mad:

I would say two words. I would point to my Q and say "get in". Then i would proceed to drive him/her around town and then highway driving and show them what it's like to go 155 without your car shimmying like a Miata. Then I would simply drop him off wherever was convenient for me.

Afterward I would drive by again 6 months later and accept his offer to race against his new Nissan.

Nick

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

Agreed to what 90 says... Quella could make him a believer (except he might puke on her pristine carpets).

GN's are the bomb. When I was active in the Buick club here in town and the BOP (Buick/olds/pontiac) club nationally, I had several buddies with VERY stock-appearing (but heavily modded) T-Type Regals that ran 11's just by bolting on drag slicks. Terrifying cars with TONS of potential, and good aftermarket support from KenneBell and Poston Enterprises.

Tino, you may want to reconsider that "dream" car of yours - A T-Type Regal can still be had for pretty cheap, you can make a fake GN out of it for peanuts, and you won't get laughed at like you would in a MonteCarlo SS.

Post by **Simmsled** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

OR you could get an 89 Trans-Am Indy Pace car with the 3.8 Turbo/Intercooled V6 Grand National engine. ANYWAYS... I just wanted to say that you guys rock. For me NICO is more of a car obsession support group than a club. I love that!!! haha

About the Firebird guy (stock V6)... I think im going to just take some pictures of the cars I will see in Louisville this weekend and ask him how a 12 second Q45 could suck??!!!

Post by **s14=pimpin'** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

tell him Nissan doesn't suck, he does.

And he occasionally swallows as well.

**sorry, couldn't resist**

Post by **Tino** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

haha, hey now come on gotta have some respect for the montes.

Post by **PortaWanta240** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

That's right simmsled! you know who this is ha ha.... think i've made my decision on an 240SX XE... still looking though... but screw firebirds... and i think you know why, some Jaw yappin' person i know has a 2002 Firebird and claims Nissans suck and are a waste of money... AHHHHHH, ya'll need to help me put this girl in her place... and yes i said it, a GIRL said Nissans suck.... what is this world coming too.

Post by **Stoneage_Turbo** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:55 pm

hey cole trickle , barrel roll any luminas lately?

how bad was the rental car bill after that beach drive?

couldnt resist , damn that days of thunder movie

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