what is the differences in the 2jz's

[migsk8]

ok so i want a 2jz-gte to put in my 240.

i found the motor for like 3,200 or so with transmission and what not.

anyways i was looking on ebay and found a 2JZ-GE with everything for like 700 bucks. i plan on building the motor anyways, so i wanted to know if there is a difference in the 2. cant i just grab a 2jz-ge and build it the same as a 2jz-gte ?

helpful input would be apreciated

[Acidz]

no the GTE is better!!! GE is missing things that the GTE has also $3200 eww unless it has the 6spd with it then the price seems about right...

[migsk8]

no the GTE is better!!! GE is missing things that the GTE has also $3200 eww unless it has the 6spd with it then the price seems about right...

your opinion is def bias, so i need someone that doesn't own one, just knows about them. besides im re doing the internals so it doesn't matter.

[TotalDPerformance]

gte has oil squirters in the block and the ge doesnt.....save your time and buy what works best man....The ge can make power like the gte but its just the added insurance. go whatever route you want its your car and project. happy hunting.

[Acidz]

your opinion is def bias, so i need someone that doesn't own one, just knows about them. besides im re doing the internals so it doesn't matter.

was it really???? read the post above

[silvia_ks_69]

jesus tap dancing christ....lol

the differences are:

GTE has oil squirtersGTE has thicker/better rodsGTE has lower compression pistonsGTE has a different port position head, as well as flow designGTE has a different intake manifoldGTE has a water coiled oil filter housingGTE has the p/s pump mounted in a different positionGTE has 2 cam sensorsGTE has no vvti (american spec)GTE is not drive by wireGTE uses different motor mounts (interchangable dependent on year)GTE uses a different lower girdle/oil pan, oil pump sump and oil level sending unitGTE uses a different oil pressure sending unitGTE uses a fuel return system

[RCA]

Stright from the sources...But I think it was covered above. Just read just in case they are wrong

Differences between blocks: http://supraforums.com/forum/s...2jzge

Differences between built GEs and GTEs:http://supraforums.com/forum/s...2jzge

[migsk8]

i cant read it, im not a member of the supra forum :[

[TotalDPerformance]

GET THE GTE!!!!! Simple as that.

[RCA]

i cant read it, im not a member of the supra forum :[

Well um *HINT HINT*I guess I wont be linking them any more...

I in no way shape or forum condone joining any other forum other then NICO. NICO is the hands down best at what it does...

GET THE GTE!!!!! Simple as that.

Well put.

So that pretty much raps up this thread...
Modified by rcabrita at 8:42 AM 6/29/2008

[gaehrings13]

lol get the non vvti 2jzge awesome motor. Especially if your going forged. Same rods no squirter and huge port on the head if you do a port job you will make great power.

Lol watch now everyone will get mad.

go herehttp://www.wwrturbo.com/media.html

check out the yellow supra. GE Head and bottom end. I hope my boss doesn't kill me....

[migsk8]

lol get the non vvti 2jzge awesome motor. Especially if your going forged. Same rods no squirter and huge port on the head if you do a port job you will make great power.

Lol watch now everyone will get mad.

go herehttp://www.wwrturbo.com/media.html

check out the yellow supra. GE Head and bottom end. I hope my boss doesn't kill me....

well aren't oil squirters kinda really important for making big power? well i dont plan on making huge power, but reliable power

[abc123omg]

ok so i want a 2jz-gte to put in my 240.

i found the motor for like 3,200 or so with transmission and what not.

anyways i was looking on ebay and found a 2JZ-GE with everything for like 700 bucks. i plan on building the motor anyways, so i wanted to know if there is a difference in the 2. cant i just grab a 2jz-ge and build it the same as a 2jz-gte ?

helpful input would be apreciated

ive owned a sc300 with the 2jz-ge engine beforegTe has a turbo, GE does not. GTE has ~ 320hp?GE only has liek 200ish i think.GTE intake manifold doesnt go over the engines top . GE intake manifold does.

internal are similar except for what everyone said in the previous posts.

both have ALOT OF POTENTIAL. if you can get a 5spd wih the 2jzge, and assuming its in good condition, you can just turbo it for cheap.

theres a whole forum on turboing the 2jzge, and if you are keeping ur power goals low (300-350ish), you can do it for (relatively) dirt cheap. http://clubna-t.com/ has alot of info. you need to make an account first tho to see anything...

but both are nice engines.. my only complaint is my sc300 got really bad economy... 20mpg with premium.. but then then again my lexus is frickin heavy

[ItzGenX]

no the GTE is better!!! GE is missing things that the GTE has also $3200 eww unless it has the 6spd with it then the price seems about right...

Umm ! The 6 speed GETRAG transmission is that price WITHOUT the motor. Also, the GE even if you build it, you are stuck with the weak NA gear box. You will want a R154 transmission (5spd) found from a 1JZ out of older JDM Supras (2.5 GT) and Soarers (GT). It is also available in the MK3 USDM Supra, but you will need a 1JZ bell housing and shifter extension for it (not worth the trouble). The R154 transmission is a tough cookie found in more cars then just the Toyota camp. It has other forms found in the Z32TT and R33/34 GTS-T (RB25DET-5Spd) to give you an idea of what it is capable of compared to the wet noodle NA transmission off a GE.

[DJ Raijin]

I read what the guys on the Supra forums were saying about the price of the GTE vs the GE and they say it's about the same for a GTE swap as it is for a GE swap with a single turbo kit.

and according to them, all the "legendary guys" that are pushing 1000whp+ are all using 2JZGEs. The Supra guys seem to think that the oil squirters don't make a lot of difference. The one guy is putting down 1500rwhp in his track car and he said he would "rather have oil going to the bearings than being squirted on the pistons" and they laugh at the guys who buy the GTE swaps for their N/As.

They also say that if you're modding a Supra/2JZ, that you should just get an NA from the start and build it up, that the costs are going to be relatively the same for each whether you spend the extra 3k+ base for the Twin Turbo as compared to throwing it into the NA. They also say the NA has better flow on the exhaust side of things and that they have potential to spool up larger turbos much quicker.

It's pretty fascinating stuff (considering that before that, I didn't know much about 2JZs other than they're tougher than nails). If you're gonna put a 2JZ into a 240, chances are you're going to go single turbo anyways so you might as well save yourself the up front cost of a GTE swap and just get the non-vvti GE swap and then there is a single turbo kit for it out there. with it and pistons you'll be right where you need to be.

plus you cant use that 6 speed with a 240 unless you wanna swap out your final gear...

[RCA]

ive owned a sc300 with the 2jz-ge engine beforegTe has a turbo, GE does not. GTE has ~ 320hp?GE only has liek 200ish i think.GTE intake manifold doesnt go over the engines top . GE intake manifold does.

internal are similar except for what everyone said in the previous posts.

both have ALOT OF POTENTIAL. if you can get a 5spd wih the 2jzge, and assuming its in good condition, you can just turbo it for cheap.

theres a whole forum on turboing the 2jzge, and if you are keeping ur power goals low (300-350ish), you can do it for (relatively) dirt cheap. http://clubna-t.com/ has alot of info. you need to make an account first tho to see anything...

but both are nice engines.. my only complaint is my sc300 got really bad economy... 20mpg with premium.. but then then again my lexus is frickin heavy

The 5speed that comes with the 2JZGE is a W58. The W58 is a HORRIBLE transmission choice if you plan on making anything over 300hp.

The GE is cheaper but save up just a little more and get the real deal...

I read what the guys on the Supra forums were saying about the price of the GTE vs the GE and they say it's about the same for a GTE swap as it is for a GE swap with a single turbo kit.

Not even close.The GE with single turbo swap is much more expensive.

and according to them, all the "legendary guys" that are pushing 1000whp+ are all using 2JZGEs. The Supra guys seem to think that the oil squirters don't make a lot of difference.

Well I am not to sure of this but to each his own.

The one guy is putting down 1500rwhp in his track car and he said he would "rather have oil going to the bearings than being squirted on the pistons" and they laugh at the guys who buy the GTE swaps for their N/As.

Post link!I would love to see this.

They also say that if you're modding a Supra/2JZ, that you should just get an NA from the start and build it up, that the costs are going to be relatively the same for each whether you spend the extra 3k+ base for the Twin Turbo as compared to throwing it into the NA. They also say the NA has better flow on the exhaust side of things and that they have potential to spool up larger turbos much quicker.

Well depending what kind of power your making the head design of the GE wont make a diffrence.

It's pretty fascinating stuff (considering that before that, I didn't know much about 2JZs other than they're tougher than nails). If you're gonna put a 2JZ into a 240, chances are you're going to go single turbo anyways so you might as well save yourself the up front cost of a GTE swap and just get the non-vvti GE swap and then there is a single turbo kit for it out there. with it and pistons you'll be right where you need to be.

Well stock turbos make 500hp so if you plan on making less then that the cool. But more then that and you will need larger turbo.

plus you cant use that 6 speed with a 240 unless you wanna swap out your final gear...

I wish come one came up with a solution to that problem...

[DJ Raijin]

the supra forums are having problems loading so I can't quote you where I exactly saw it but I know for certain I was reading it on those links you posted earlier

[pawpaw18_00]

I will have to say if your pushing 1500hp and you dont want oil squirters to cool your pistons you must be crazy...sure you want oil pressure to your rods and mains but it has been race proven that if built correctly an engine can survive major punishment with correct oil pressure...many people have the wrong idea that more volume and excessive oil pressure is good...just my 2cents...