what have a talked myself into?

[kyle1911]

ok so i was talking about my car at school and how i have 0 money and got asked by 2 people to race.

$100 purse - 1996 5sp Honduh CRV <-- i can toast that

$400 purse - 1985 BMW 735i 5sp

what are my chances aganst these, being hardware vs. hardware driving skill isnt incorperated in what im asking you.

i drive a Stock 1989 240sx XE coupe 5speed.

your thoughts? have i talked myself into a hole or can i bust out and killem both? :thinker 1

Its a straight line drag, they dont want to go in any corners, p****** :rolleyes

Lets hear opinions about what im up against!!

[ilikenissan]

Hmm Crv.. B20.. He might get you.. Im sad to say it but a 89 sohc 240 doesnt have very much umph in its old age... unless you got some really good tires and kill it off the launch..How many miles your car have? I have NO idea about the beamer but you put up 400 bucks? You must be very proud of your 240:D

[tex240]

i would say strip every possible thing out of your car just in case. clean or replace or plugs and have good tires just to be sure.

[ilikenissan]

Yeah and is that Crv modded? Watch out for that seriously I seen an Ls/vtec crv with a 50 wet shot run high 13's.. Thats of course with an ls/vtec motor.. A stock b20 should be good for low 16's if not quicker.. Im sure a 5sp taken care of Crv with some weight taken off can easily break into the 15's

[kyle1911]

its his moms CRV. Bone Stock

I didnt commit to the BMW yet.

217xxx KMOil change 50km ago, new filter decent tires but not stickey enough

[240SXedUp]

Dont go and buy new tires for a $100 purse

[kyle1911]

$100 CDN..You think a 3500lbs 4 door 4*4 SUV wannabe could beat me? wow i was really wrong..

[zombieman]

with something hundred more pound of weight....and at stock height not being center gravity.... i think the 240sx has a better chance of winning.

[kyle1911]

Correction the CR-V is 1998 Curb Weight 3,164 * Horsepower: 126 @ 5400rpm* Torque: 133 @ 4300rpm5 Speed With 4 X 4

My car.Curb Weight 2,658 * Horsepower: 140 @ 5600rpm* Torque: 152 @ 4400rpm5 Speed Coupe

So i have a 500lbs difference, 12 more hp and 17 more torque and about 217000 KM of carbon buildup.....

[nismofan14]

You should bet the driver of the crv $400

Dunno much about the older bmw. What engine is in it?

If it runs like the new 7 series( probably doesn't) I would take that bet back.

[ilikenissan]

yeah your car having 217,000K has ALOT to do with it.. I will assure you that your car is putting out no where near those numbers..Unless it was very very babied in which case your car might have 110 crank horsepower.. And I strongly suggest you dont go dyno it to try and prove me wrong or somethin.. Dyno pull's are rough on cars.. But like rip out all the spare crap in your car and replace your plugs and your injectors probally need cleaned really really bad if not replaced... and you might take him.. And is your clutch slipping at all.. Im sure your car has had a clutch put in it at one time or another you should figure out when that was..

[aleph1]

the 735i has 182hp 3.4l six. Most likely weights around 3500lbs.

Run some Seafoam in your car to clean out some of the carbon, if it has alot, you will probably notice the difference (and see a huge plume of smoke come from your exhaust). Also get new NGK plugs and either clean or replace your 02 sensor after the Seafoam, they will be coated in carbon.

You can take both cars me thinks, but you should take some precationary measures to make sure, such as what I said above and try to reduce the weight as the other mentioned. Such as removing the spare tire, jack, etc for the race...dont bother with taking apart the interior, just clean out your car.

[kyle1911]

yeah your car having 217,000K has ALOT to do with it.. I will assure you that your car is putting out no where near those numbers..Unless it was very very babied in which case your car might have 110 crank horsepower.. And I strongly suggest you dont go dyno it to try and prove me wrong or somethin.. Dyno pull's are rough on cars.. But like rip out all the spare crap in your car and replace your plugs and your injectors probally need cleaned really really bad if not replaced... and you might take him.. And is your clutch slipping at all.. Im sure your car has had a clutch put in it at one time or another you should figure out when that was..

i know this car was not babyed... id replace the plugs but i dont have a torque wrench at my house. i had a new clutch disc put in about 6 mos ago and the car was not driven for about a year. and the oil that came out of it when i bought it made me want to cry

[ilikenissan]

If I were you Id get my car in tip top shape before I'd do any racing.. Replace the belts, fluids, plugs, plug wires, thermostat etc... And just ask a friend to borrow a torque wrench..

[kyle1911]

the 735i has 182hp 3.4l six. Most likely weights around 3500lbs.

Run some Seafoam in your car to clean out some of the carbon, if it has alot, you will probably notice the difference (and see a huge plume of smoke come from your exhaust). Also get new NGK plugs and either clean or replace your 02 sensor after the Seafoam, they will be coated in carbon.

You can take both cars me thinks, but you should take some precationary measures to make sure, such as what I said above and try to reduce the weight as the other mentioned. Such as removing the spare tire, jack, etc for the race...dont bother with taking apart the interior, just clean out your car.

where can i get some Seafoam? i assume if i get some it has directions on it... removeing extra weight is in the plans, i have no speakers now ... like 20lbs

todo list so far:Seafoamplugsthermostat?

i have new wires and fluids are good.

thanks for the input

[daniel240]

you will beat the bmw. it is very heavy and not very fast. and if you get a good launch and if your 240 runs good, you should be able to beat the crv. damn man $500 in bets? but if you win, which you should be able to, thats a good deal. i would change your plugs and maybe airfilter. and take out spare tire/jack and maybe rear seat. and go practice your take offs. keep practicing until you have it down. your start is the key to the race.

[n00b240]

beet the bmw, i dunno about that, I used to drive a 535i, 1988, and got 182. yes i know its lighter. but for you to beat a 7 series, unless he is a really bad driver, you would take an act of god.

hey kyle you wouldnt, by any chance go to dalhousie would you

[MikeMurphy]

Kyle im in halifax too at Dal. Gimme a shout

[email protected]

also you will probably want a new o2 sensor after the soafoam.

-Mike

[n00b240]

omg three dal cats up in here holy****, small ****in world

[gibbo80]

yeah your car having 217,000K has ALOT to do with it.. I will assure you that your car is putting out no where near those numbers..Unless it was very very babied in which case your car might have 110 crank horsepower.. And I strongly suggest you dont go dyno it to try and prove me wrong or somethin.. Dyno pull's are rough on cars.. But like rip out all the spare crap in your car and replace your plugs and your injectors probally need cleaned really really bad if not replaced... and you might take him.. And is your clutch slipping at all.. Im sure your car has had a clutch put in it at one time or another you should figure out when that was..

not saying this is always the case but i have seen alot of cars run the same if not better the more they were beat on. I never babied my car and my friends dont either and they actually seem to run better. I wouldnt worry about the miles. My 240 ran fast time in the quater when it had 160k on it then it did new and so does my friends teg

[aleph1]

where can i get some Seafoam? i assume if i get some it has directions on it... removeing extra weight is in the plans, i have no speakers now ... like 20lbs

todo list so far:Seafoamplugsthermostat?

i have new wires and fluids are good.

thanks for the input

You can pick it up at most normal car part shops (eg Autozone, Checkers/Kragen, Napa, etc). You run about 1/3 of it through your brake booster line while the car is running, very slowly or else it will stall, and then rev a bit while you are doing it. A bunch of smoke should come out for a while, which is the burnt carbon =) You may want to get more than one bottle to run through your oil and/or fuel system...it has instructions of the bottle.

You dont NEED a torque wrench to install plugs, just be reasonable. I never used one and its all good, just dont over tighten, cuz the head is aluminum.

Why thermostat? is your car overheating?

[kyle1911]

Bad news i was jut talking to him and he said that he has two cr-v's one 2003 and a 1998... hes using the 2003 so basicly im ****ed. cause it has i-vtec 2.4L 160hp 162 lbs/ft......

im going to SMU next year.wow dal is popular with the texas folk, what are you taking there? (all 3 of ya)

naw i dont need a new thermostat i figured today.

well the BMW that he has didnt pass safety so its not in the best shape.. i wouldnt expect it would be that far off to beat the BMW, what experences have you had with your 535i?

[LE240]

You don't need a torque wrence to change your plugs. Just snug them, not too tight though. You can torque them later, but do it when the engine is cold. Do a search on here for the Seafoam. Somebody left a pretty good explanation on how to use it for the most benefit.

[[s3]]

Might still be able to win over the 2003 CRV. Even tho its 2.4 vtec he's gotta rev it up to 5000rpm plus in every gear to get an advantage.

If he's driving an auto, he'll most likely just stomp on the gas and keep his foot planted. Cartest recorded a 16.4 1/4 mile time for the CRV while the 89 240 recorded a 16.6 (both stock).

It will be close, but power shift your car and try not to let the revs go down too much. You might edge him out if he screws up the launch too.

And you'll probably beat the BMW, its a slug too heavy and not enough power.

Sneak in a 50shot of NOS if you want to insure a winhaha

[book-ends]

It's a little off topic, but I was wondering what the word is on the Honda B20 motor. Is it used in any other Hondas? More and more I see people swaping a B20 block with a B18C series head. I assume for the combination of displacement and VTEC. Any thoughts on that?

By the way, how do you talk yourself into some street racing that doesn't involve a little "road course" action? The only races I like to compete in are the mapped out night course........first one from point A to point B takes home the loot!!

*Street racing is VERY dangerous.*

[ilikenissan]

B20's suck.. They are also used in older non Si preludes..(real old ones) And Alot of people are swapping it in for its very easy availability and relatively cheap.. Can be found at any old junkyard.. My old crx had an LS/vtec motor which is just a stock integra(non gsr, type R) B18 non vtec motor then I put a usdm type R b18c5 head on it and it was very quick and the ls block is Alot lighter then a b20 block.. and for some reason stock non vtec b18's put out more horses then a stock b20? So in other words b20 sucks..

[kyle1911]

The reason i am doing a straight line is because they are to ***** to take there moms car into the corners wher i own my own car its my own risk. this will be doen late at night and i will plan it out to the best of my abulity.

Think i can beat the BMW? i thought i could but wasnt sure since ive never seen one moving.power shifting is not a problem, ill try my best lol

What is the advantage to changing my plugs? i have new wires on it and i cleaned the distributor a while ago. the car idles and runs smooth but it sometimes backfires from high rpm down to low.

[[s3]]

The reason i am doing a straight line is because they are to ***** to take there moms car into the corners wher i own my own car its my own risk. this will be doen late at night and i will plan it out to the best of my abulity.

Think i can beat the BMW? i thought i could but wasnt sure since ive never seen one moving.power shifting is not a problem, ill try my best lol

What is the advantage to changing my plugs? i have new wires on it and i cleaned the distributor a while ago. the car idles and runs smooth but it sometimes backfires from high rpm down to low.

Not much improvement for changing plugs....but yea go beat the BMW.

[aleph1]

Change the plugs after Seafoam, cuz they will be covered in soot. Not to mention its always nice getting new plugs =) NGK V-powers baby, cheap and good.

[Supafly]

why not just run for fun and not lose the money you don't have? one mis-shift and you're screwed man, is it worth it?