What happened to my high(er) kelly Blue book value?

[Infinitiguy19]

What the f**k happened to my $4000+ Kelly blue book value: http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCar...ions= Now my car is worth barley half that.

What have you done f**king former president Bush.

We all now own these cars for the ride quality and over all feel.

I feel bad for the people that invested $40K+ :Cough: Q45Tech :Cough:, I hope I am proven wrong by seeing one of theses cars on Barret Jackson.

[sublime187]

jk, i'm not.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I feel bad for the people that invested $40K+ :Cough: Q45Tech :Cough:

I don't, for one reason:Resale only matters if you intend to sell the car. I highly doubt Dennis has any intention of selling his Q. I don't plan to sell mine.

Blue book value is value to another buyer.

It has no bearing on the value of the car to it's owner/"investor."

Always remember also that the top-end of Q value in a TRULY "excellent" condition Q will be greater than KBB reports to NICO members and other informed Q folk. Similarly, the low end for bad Qs is lower to us as well.

KBB's prices are a good guideline but don't take into account many factors. I also don't like how large their "gaps" are between quality "tiers". I'd call my car a very good condition car, but bodily it has issues. Mechanically it's great, though, but KBB puts body dings ahead of kept-up maintenance apparently.

[Jesda]

What the f**k happened to my $4000+ Kelly blue book value: http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCar...ions= Now my car is worth barley half that.

Its a gas guzzling V8 sedan from a time when fuel was half the price. Add to that Infiniti's abandonment of the badge and you have a brand without any cachet. No one wants Q45s except us enthusiasts. The mass market has moved on.

[Q45tech]

The last time a 1993 Q was worth $4,000 was in 2003.

Even the 1999 MB AMG C43 is worth less than $8,500 today and that's a $10,100 depreciation in just 3 years and 25,000 miles. Pretty much on track as cars lose 50% of value every 3 years.

10 year old cars retail at 15% and wholesale at 10% except MB and Lexus.

When used owners find out a MB transmission costs $6,700 to replace and they last 100k [+-]. When Murano owners find out a CVT costs $5,500 to replace and only lasts [100k +-] they both react the same except the MB guy has it in the bank and doesn't try to take a 3rd mortgage out.

I am proud to drive a $500 car that cost $3,000 per year to maintain.

The $40,000 purchase price was nothing compared to the $40,000 in repairs and mainteances, 18,000 gallons of gasoline, $20,000 in insurance.say $140,000 in 19 years = ~$7400 per year since 1990.

Had I bought a G20t I would have saved $38,000 or about $2,000 per year, which is the 4 cylinder manual vs automatic V8, 1200 pound heavier ccost increment.

If you don't have $2,000 extra per year to waste on yourself always chose a I4 manual vehicle.

Ty [who drives an old but pristine G20t manual with vlsd] says the G20 was the best car Nissan ever made, a commuters dream. If you have a team of experts to swap engines and trannies, clutches, etc and keep it perfect.

[oldmako]

Sorry to hear your angst Bro. To look at it in a different light, the KBB (and Edmunds, NADA) values are what convinced me to consider Q. I started out thinking Acura 3.5 / BMW 7 or 5 series / Lexus ES300 etc...but when I saw how cheap these cars have become I gave them a second look.

The issue I face is just how much to spend maintaining a car which I bought in a compromised (pre-owned) condition. So far, I think I'm well ahead of the curve, but when the first big repair rolls in, the cars low value may preclude getting it fixed.

Second gen Q's still seem like a bargain to me if bought with some diligence. The trans and injector issues would keep me from considering an original at this point, and I'm not yet willing to spend what a third generation Q would cost. Ideally, I'll get 80-100K more out of this one and then start looking.

Lousy resale values don't impact the cars enjoyability. Take it out on the highway and haul a$$!

[slybydesignq45t]

I have been thinking the same way in my search. I will be going back and fourth on the concept. I want another Q, but I am debating between the timeless look of a 1994-96 or the less expensive repairs of a 1997-2001. I guess I will see when I have enough clams. For now my heart is set on a 1994-96, but my wallet says 1997-2001 in regards to repairs.

[Infinitiguy19]

I have no reason to sell nor will I, But I can't see how KBB and NADA can put such a small price on our car's.

But the KBB and NADA prices just make it easier for Joe smoes and other idiots that have no idea on maitaing a car let a lone a beauty such as the Q45 to own it.

[Peterofdevon]

I am proud to drive a $500 car that cost $3,000 per year to maintain.

The FEW, the PROUD, the...

(fill in the blank)

I'm one of them and I love it I think.

Dennis drives the same one... I've had five. I should say 4, my garage queen excluded. I kiss her daily.

All the same after all. All great.

Love that post!

Peter

[Jesda]

Ty [who drives an old but pristine G20t manual with vlsd] says the G20 was the best car Nissan ever made, a commuters dream. If you have a team of experts to swap engines and trannies, clutches, etc and keep it perfect.

Thats not really true. We had a G20 for a year and hated it. It was a '95 with electrical problems, AC issues, and flaking paint. It was among the worst used cars we've taken home. Add to that the horrible performance -- disabling the AC was like a turbo engaging.The few good things: excellent handling, decent comfort, good fuel economy, and copious trunk space. None of those positives could justify keeping that money pit, so we dumped it on Craigslist for half its value.All the good things I read about the G20 turned out to be complete untruths, and I hate that I was the one who strongly suggested it to my brother.

My brother now drives a 1992 Seville (that I used to own) and its been extremely dependable. So far, just had to do a tie rod, spray the EGR with some carb cleaner, and replace the blower motor. Plus, its the best looking sedan from that decade, period.

[qship96]

I drove a 93.5 G20 from brand spanking new til 150,000 miles- I agree, it was the most reliable Nissan I ever owned{ and I have driven only nissan products since 1979}- only things ever replaced on it were clutch at 140,000 ,tires, and waterpump at 150,000. Original battery/alt/starter/muffler/shocks/ every other component when I sold it.

The G handled extremely well, plenty of power at high revs, but more engine noise than I was used to{previous car was a 3oozxturbo} definitly needed more insulation on firewall/floor.

Jesda, maybe the {multiple?} previous owners didnt take care of yours, as they were almost bulletproof{ consumers Reports rated it as the absolute lowest problem car they ever reported on at the time- main reason I bought it after pulling my hair out towards the end of the Z ownership experience}

Oil passages were tiny, and any slacking of oil changes caused problems for many lazy owners.

[Ludeaem]

thats why i have a 89 Prelude to back up the Q

[Jesda]

Jesda, maybe the {multiple?} previous owners didnt take care of yours, as they were almost bulletproof{ consumers Reports rated it as the absolute lowest problem car they ever reported on at the time- main reason I bought it after pulling my hair out towards the end of the Z ownership experience}

One thing I read somewhere was that emissions-related changes in 1995 changed it from sprightly to gutless, especially with the auto that ours had. It was just... pathetic. On flat midwest highways cruising over long distances, the ride was supple and the cabin was quiet. But stop and go driving or any kind of mountain climbing was miserable.

It also leaked plenty of oil at 130k.

We routinely had it serviced at Perry Nissan and Bommarito Infiniti.

Oh well. Its gone now. I much preferred my 1990 Maxima, a car I miss tremendously.

[qship96]

Yes, the Sr20 motor was ill matched with a automatic transmission, as you had to drive the G like you were mad at it to get any real power{ high rpm powerband, with no balls down low whatsoever} kind of like a sewing machine motor.

[Q451990]

What have you done f**king former president Bush.

You're blaming your KBB book value on GW?

[Infinitiguy19]

Yea because that president ruing everything from what I can tell.

[Q451990]

World oil prices, combined with a decline in the economy due to the "credit crisis" caused automotive values to fall, not the president. The banking rules were forced on lenders by the federal government to make home loans to borrowers that couldn't afford them - all in the name of "affordable housing."

These rules started in the Carter administration and were pushed forward in the Clinton administration. GW actually warned congress about this issue earlier in his administration, and it never got traction. GW's worst fault is that he focused on keeping the country as safe as possible after the terror attacks, and basically gave the opposition whatever they wanted as long as they stayed out of his way in terms of national security. His respect for the office and a very humble personality prevented him from "selling" his accomplishments.

Mark my words... you're getting ready to live through far worse than you've seen so far.

Heath

[Infinitiguy19]

I was just jumping on the band wagon cause everyone was blaming Bush.

But he may not be 100% responsible for the droping car values, But he ius'nt a very good president either.

[Q45tech]

We try to avoid politics on forums since it's always leads to fights as 50/50 just as US is divided BUT.Here is a decent weekly poll to help you see what others think and who they blame.http://www.rasmussenreports.co...index

[Q451990]

We try to avoid politics on forums since it's always leads to fights

True... and I typically wouldn't respond, but I was just in one of those political moods last night.

We actually have a subforum for politics... but it's like every other political forum... 50/50 fight with the same old arguments. I try to talk politics only with people who either agree with me, or are apolitical in the chance that I can bring them to my side. The other half won't budge no matter what I say...

Heath

[Raxephon]

If you're planning on selling it then I guess something like KBB value for the Q45 would matter.

But for me, it doesn't matter if they say its only worth $2.00 or $10,000.00.

I like the car for what it is, not the dollar value.

It is a car that fits my mentality and personality quite well.

Viva La Q45!!!

[MinisterofDOOM]

Well said, anlasak!