Welding explanation.

[boost240]

Can someone with access to this book outline the process which i should use to weld my roll cage.

What does this say to do below?

American Welding Society D1.1:2002, Structural
Welding Code, Steel Chapter 10, Tubular Structures.

Thanks for any help.

[4cefed]

Well if you google "American Welding Society D1.1:2002, Structural" about the 10th link down seems to be a place where you could download a copy of that manual. Otherwise you can buy it for $350.

You can weld a rollcage with a solid 220V Mig welder. Tig would be nice, but more complicated. You might be able to find out what kind of wire or filler is specified by these regs.

[flohtingPoint]

Can someone with access to this book outline the process which i should use to weld my roll cage.

What does this say to do below?

American Welding Society D1.1:2002, Structural
Welding Code, Steel Chapter 10, Tubular Structures.

Thanks for any help.

If you dont already know, dont do it. Hire a professional to build and install your cage. A roll cage is not a learning experience, its a vital safety component.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Yeah this isn't like welding your exhaust or a patch panel. Then again...my first major welding job was a roll cage for my NX. So it can be done.
How much experience do you have?

[breadbox]

how fun is an NX? I still want a 2000 but Haven't seen any worth picking up.

[BusyBadger]

A roll cage is not a learning experience

Well, it could a learning experience in the same way that Russian Roulette is a learning experience.

[boost240]

My welding experience is not enough to weld a roll cage, i admit that. I am not welding my cage though i know a certified welder that is welding it for me but, he has not had time to find this process so i am trying to find it. If someone who does roll cages on a normal basis tell me what wire to use and what not i would greaty appreciate it.

and thanks for showing me that link in the process of downloading it now.

[Speedy7_7]

This is a bad idea!

[flohtingPoint]

My welding experience is not enough to weld a roll cage, i admit that. I am not welding my cage though i know a certified welder that is welding it for me but, he has not had time to find this process so i am trying to find it. If someone who does roll cages on a normal basis tell me what wire to use and what not i would greaty appreciate it.

and thanks for showing me that link in the process of downloading it now.

There are certain dimensions a cage has to fit and certain bends that are required to be in place for certain governing sanctions. Seriously, if this is for something other than "looking cool", take your car to someone who builds cages for Club Racing and HPDE cars.

[tm1218]

BAD IDEA INDEED!

[boost240]

the cage is a weld in cage from s&w racecars. If i had the means to pay someone to design one i might have but i do not.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

how fun is an NX? I still want a 2000 but Haven't seen any worth picking up.

Was a blast. Easy to drive fast and 140hp in such a light car is nothing to sneeze at. Get some proper swaybars in there, some sticky 205's, and some nicely valved struts and wreak some havoc.

[flohtingPoint]

the cage is a weld in cage from s&w racecars. If i had the means to pay someone to design one i might have but i do not.

If you dont have the funds to pay someone to put a cage in for you, you are VERY far off from having the funds to actually need that cage. HDPE/Time Trial/Club Racing/Hill Climbs are not cheap in the least.

[PoorManQ45]

Just get a welder and go to town on different things for practice.

Work up to welding two pipes together at different angles. That's always fun

[Red coupe]

the cage is a weld in cage from s&w racecars. If i had the means to pay someone to design one i might have but i do not.

The component that keep the roof of your car from crushing your face in is not the component you buy as good as you can afford.

You buy as good as needed, or not at all.
If you can't afford to play, you can't afford to play.

Now, I am not saying no one should weld a cage, that everyone should go to a shop, or that every shop will do a great job...
But respect and understand what it is, what it does, and what the requirements are or do not do it.

If you have a pre-fabricated weld in cage from a respectable company... and a skilled welder willing to do the work for you then don't stress over the wire.
Check the rule requirements, but otherwise the guy SHOULD know what wire goes with what material. (if he doesn't, he isn't the right guy). It isn't like things change because its a car. Structural welding is structural welding, use the wire that is designed for the base metal.

[boost240]

I think everyone is just writing me off as a silly kid because i am doing my own cage. My cage is to spec and has been tested it is not something i designed myself. Also Red coupe thank you for saying that the wire should not matter because i asked him and he did not want to know that.

The new question is does the rules state that it should be mig or tig welded?

Thank you

[flohtingPoint]

The new question is does the rules state that it should be mig or tig welded?

Thank you

What are you putting the cage in your car for? You say "the rules" but you don't give a governing body.

Several people, including myself have told you this is a terrible idea and it's very clear you dont know what you're doing. Right now, you are being a silly kid.

[Dattebayo]

Several people, including myself have told you this is a terrible idea and it's very clear you dont know what you're doing. Right now, you are being a silly kid.

I didn't get that from reading this, except from you... And it's not like it takes a genius to weld, even a cage into a car.

If he takes his time, it will come out fine if the sanctioning body's rules are obeyed.

[flohtingPoint]

Several people, including myself have told you this is a terrible idea and it's very clear you dont know what you're doing. Right now, you are being a silly kid.

I didn't get that from reading this, except from you... And it's not like it takes a genius to weld, even a cage into a car.

If he takes his time, it will come out fine if the sanctioning body's rules are obeyed.

You know this because of your extensive work around race cars and work with the SCCA's Club Racing division right? You've been the person to run out to a car that just stuffed it and tried to help someone out of a car that had a cage failure?

I've worked on the medic team and also flagging and comm and have had to assist folks that wrecked in quite a few situations. A proper cage is all about structural integrity and if it's not built/mounted properly (done by a professional) it just folds.

[boost240]

What are you putting the cage in your car for? You say "the rules" but you don't give a governing body.

Several people, including myself have told you this is a terrible idea and it's very clear you dont know what you're doing. Right now, you are being a silly kid.

The cage only is required to be built to scca standards but, because I hope to get better and I value my life more then the scca requires it will be built up more.

Also, I believe you are not reading what has been said. I AM NOT a silly kid who bought a cage kit and is planning on welding it in with a harbor freight flux core welder. The welder who is welder who is welding the cage has around 20 years experience, is certified(not easy), and has done roll cages for drag cars more than once before. I trust him with my life. I don't believe having him weld my cage and a cage that is design proven from s&w is a terrible idea but, I'm just a silly kid.

Back to my question, I know scca is fine with mig welding but I was not sure of this with the higher more demanding sanctioning bodies.

Thank you and sorry if there are any grammar mistakes hard to fix while on bb.

[Red coupe]

I think everyone is just writing me off as a silly kid because i am doing my own cage. My cage is to spec and has been tested it is not something i designed myself. Also Red coupe thank you for saying that the wire should not matter because i asked him and he did not want to know that.

The new question is does the rules state that it should be mig or tig welded?

Thank you

whoa, whoa, whoa...

I did not, in any way say that wire does not matter.

I said the fact that it is a roll cage should not dictate the wire choice, rather the material you are welding does.

He should know what wire to use, and if he cannot figure it out... you need to find your self a better welder.

We are not writing you off because your a silly kid, we are writing you off because you have no clue of what your doing.

[boost240]

What I meant to say which wasn't clear was the fact that the wire didn't matter just because it was a roll cage. I also said in the next line that it was my mistake and that I had asked the wrong question. Sorry I'm only human.

Thanks