Weird question... aftermarket brake dust shields?

[skydragoness]

I had the oem S13 brake shields (the back plate behind the rotor) trimmed away. I was just thinking it would be nice if someone made aftermarket ones that I could get to accomodate the bigger Z brakes that I have on the car. Except when I google for it, I get those retarded shields that go on the inside of the wheel.

Anyone know what I'm talking about and if these things exist? I saw some for Ford Broncos that look like what I want:



Only reason i kind of want one is I'm concerned about debris/gravel and puddles flooding the rotors... which happened once even though I went real slow thru the puddle (maybe it was 4" deep) the pedal was kind of mushy until the rotors dried off.

[chmercer]

lol

so lame

find somthing better to worry about, seriously

dust sheilds are useless

if you are going through water that is deep enough to submerge your calipers you need to pull over until it stops raining haha

[McRussellPants]

Shut up you eleitist.

The lady wants to waste her money on brake dust sheilds and she is damn well gonna.

[Nismo_Freak]

Christine, you don't need the heat shields.

Mercer, Russell leave the haterade for someone else.

[skydragoness]

Gee.... If they're so dumb I wonder why the manufacturer put them there in the first place... including on Skylines and Z32's (w/ vents included). Oh wait you put a breather filter on your valve cover Mercer, Don't even answer my posts if you don't have a damn good reason for it.

It rains its *** off here most of the year, and road construction goes on 24/7 and my car is also my daily--so it gets subjected to things I cannot avoid (thank you Del Dot for ripping up roads w/out telling anyone). It seems as though I may not find something that I can make work but I'm not going to lose a good night's sleep over it because I drive carefully and on certain roads anyway.

[BadMojo]

Did you completely cut your shields off or just grind that lip off? I suppose if you really wanted to you could get some new or used (from somewhere not the Rust Belt) and then just grind that lip off and bend the shield back away from the rotor.

It would at least cover some of the rotor surface that way.

Other than that, I've never seen an aftermarket shield for a 240sx or Z32. I'd imagine having something fabricated would cost more than you'd ever really gain back from the piece.

[hannibal]

Is it possible jack them from a Z32? I'm not even sure how they attach.

[skydragoness]

They seem to be welded on. Mojo: Yeah, they were cut off, completely. On my previous S13 I think we left a little. I think my best bet would be jack the Z32 ones I have laying in my garage and welding them back on. I just thought I'd throw out the question if someone makes aftermarket ones depending on the rotor's size.

[chmercer]

they arent welded on, if you take the hub all the way apart you can un bolt them, but nobody really does that.

alan im not "haterading"

there are tons of more important things to worry about on a car besides dust shields, im sure you know this

russell was sarcastic but my post was 100%

dust shields are included on stock cars to improve braking from when you park your car somwhere, and it rains, and your brakes are wet for like 5 minutes. im sure theres some kind of debris protection factor in there also.while you are driving there is like no chance for water to stay on the rotors.

so basically you are getting an increase in wet parking lot braking for an increase in rotor temps. sounds like a deal to me.

here is a gt500 r34 wheel well

there is no dust shield

is that good enough reason?

as for the breather filter comment, are you serious. NO turbo KA would run a hose from the intake to the valve cover. all that would do is pressurize your valve cover and screw stuff up. every racing series on the face of the planet requires cars to run oil catch tanks.

here is some rules for formula SAE that i turned up in 2 seconds on google

"The engine also needs at least one catch can. Any of the engine breathers, whether they are on the crankcase or on the cylinder head, need a catch can to catch any blow-by gasses, etc. If the engine is completely sealed with no vent, pressure within the crankcase will blow out crank seals, etc., dump oil on the track, and probably result in a wrecked engine. The hose into this catch can should stop near the top of the can, not go to the bottom. You do not want any of the debris that might have come over from the engine being sucked back into it as the engine cools down."

since you seem so enamored with 80s passenger car technology, care to tell me why retaining the pcv system in all its OEM glory is so crucial to the proper operation of our cars? because i cant find "a damn good reason for it".

basically its an emissions device. all the thing does is open a valve when the motor is at running speed to use vaccum to pull blow by gas into the intake tract. it makes much more sense to put that gas into a tank, or into the air (your air breather example). obviously if your motor is older and has larger gaps between the rings etc or you are running boost with higher than normal pressure you can get oil in that pcv hose, then you end up with motor oil going into your air intake. nobody has to be a genious to see that situation is not advantageous.

--- ANSWER ---to answer your question, the easiest solution i could think of to your dust sheild issue would be to get a z32 dust shield, cut out the center section that bolts to the hub (you would be left with only the outer part of the sheild, the part that does the actual splash protection) and pop rivet that onto your existing trimmed back shield. i would put the pin head of the rivet facing away from the brake rotor, the heads of the rivets have a lower profile and would give you less chance of rubbing on the rotor.--- ANSWER ---

it seems that a lot of you guys dont think i know what im talking about because i dont take the time to write out an essay when a simple 1 liner will do the job? whatever
Modified by chmercer at 4:37 AM 5/10/2006

[91RMKS13]

sure there are other/more imortant things to worry about but there is nothign wrong with dealing with the details nothing wrong with giving the whole car attention

just answer the damn question

the only usefull thing i can add would to say try to take one from a car with bigger brakes.

ps sure the race car didnt have one but it is a race car not a daily you find a lot of things on race cars thatare not needed on a daily

[chmercer]

i did answer it, near the bottom

[91RMKS13]

you should have done that to begin with and left it there. it seems like every one with a question like this gets flamed because therte are better things to do

[skydragoness]

sure there are other/more imortant things to worry about but there is nothign wrong with dealing with the details nothing wrong with giving the whole car attention

just answer the damn question

the only usefull thing i can add would to say try to take one from a car with bigger brakes.

ps sure the race car didnt have one but it is a race car not a daily you find a lot of things on race cars thatare not needed on a daily

Thanks, that pretty much sums it up. I was just curious if anyone knew if there were aftermarket ones or something easy to hook up. Doesn't have to cover the whole back of the rotor, etc, etc.

Mercer: The breather filter comment I made was in reference to that other thread where you were telling some kid to put one on his n/a *stock* KA, which would likely cause him to fail emissions--depending on how strict his state is. And if I recall, I think the thread was about him passing emissions in the first place. It wasn't a race car, he wasn't going KA-T, it wasn't sound advice.

Race cars are race cars, they don't have to drive thru 5 different construction zones, or avoid debris on the road on a regular basis. It would be pretty dumb to put rotor back plates (whatever the technical name for them is) on a race car due to the operating temps of the brakes. No **** sherlock. This isn't a race car and being that the Z brakes are more than enough for the little S13 I don't think i'll be experiencing catastrophic brake fade because I put a cover behind the rotors.

Now quit being a flamer just because I jokingly made fun of you in your photo thread.

[chmercer]

i dont know why everyone thinks im flaming

i already gave a viable answer to your question, as well as enough tech on lame crap like pcv systems and splash guards to bore even the most stalwart forum reader :p

[skydragoness]

i dont know why everyone thinks im flaming

i already gave a viable answer to your question, as well as enough tech on lame crap like pcv systems and splash guards to bore even the most stalwart forum reader :p

Maybe its the condescending tone?

[chmercer]

how else can i post. all im doing is posting facts. its not like i can change it to be opinionated? "hm maybe if you race your car you should run a 1qt oil catch tank" no. its just rules. same thing with description of pcv. what else can i do.

this thread sucks anyway, bye

[McRussellPants]

THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO BUY. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

http://www.SPLParts.comhttp://www.Aspec ... racing.com

Buy something from there if you feel compelled to buy something. It'll be hard to fudge it up with something that doesn't matter like brake dust shields since 90% of the parts on everyone of those sites could be useful.

[C-Kwik]

If I were to truly want to do this, I'd try out a Z32 shield and see if it's a match. They are pressed onto the base of the hub. When I had my S14, I had removed it by removing the hub and prying it off with a screwdriver. It's a bit maliable since it's thin metal and it's on there pretty good so I'm sure it won't be easy without a press or something that can evenly press it in place evenly and with plenty of force. Given Nissan's engineering style, I would not be surprised if it fit perfectly.

That being said, I never had a problem with rain with unshielded Z32's. While I am in Cali, when it rains here it tends to get flooded at times due to the poor drainage.Most disc brake systems are protected from debris and water well enough by the wheel. Water being slpashed up by the wheel will tend to splash away from the wheel. Typically, where you might actually feel it is when you submerge a portion of the rotor in water. The water would have to be fairly deep for that to happen. And no shield will do any good against that. I say forget about it...probably not worth the trouble and you'll have better brake cooling in the end which will be a god send in spirited driving or track days.

[skydragoness]

THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO BUY. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

http://www.SPLParts.comhttp://www.Aspec ... racing.com

Buy something from there if you feel compelled to buy something. It'll be hard to fudge it up with something that doesn't matter like brake dust shields since 90% of the parts on everyone of those sites could be useful.

A lot of the parts on my car are from either SPLparts, or Phase2. But thanks anyway kid.

The intent of this thread was out of curiousity, instead of having a simple answer to my question (which most people did---and I've already come to my conclusion thanks to them), I get 'experts' and essays about how dumb it is. Fine. It was just an idea I was kicking around, and like I said before in a previous post I'm not going to lose any sleep over it anyways. You're all acting as if I posted a thread about putting +45 offset Honda rims on my car.

Thanks C-Kwik, a little info on your experiences w/ your Z brakes was enough.

Now someone lock this thread.

[AZhitman]

I get a kick out of knowing that the people "lecturing" Chris have less track time put together than she does..

For what it's worth, this was actually a good thread...

[crzycav86]

I get a kick out of knowing that the people "lecturing" Chris have less track time put together than she does..

How do you know that?

[naed240sx]

How do you know that?

[91RMKS13]

GREGG KNOWS ALL!!!!

[AZhitman]

Because I've known Chris for nearly 4 years, and I know she spends her weekends racing.

Feel free to dispute, but I'm *pretty* sure I'm right.

[BlackFlag_s13]

No he was basically just making a blind assumption, one that could be, and probably is, wrong...

[hannibal]

EDITED: I'll be nice...

[91RMKS13]

No he was basically just making a blind assumption, one that could be, and probably is, wrong...

you doubt the all knower?