Weee!!! Holy hell does full auto rock with an AK!!

[bobotech]

I got to shoot my first full auto AK based weapon this past weekend.

I went on a drive to an FFL who is a class 3 dealer who is going to build my semi-auto inch DSA FAL. Went there Saturday with my buddy and son.

He let us shoot his full auto post sample AK74 and holy hell that thing rocks. He also had a full auto M16 with a suppressor but he was having timing issues so we couldn't shoot it all that much.

But wow, a 5.45x39 at full auto is amazingly controllable. WAAYY more controllable and fun than the full auto Uzi I shot a couple of years ago.

Here is a link to the video. Pat (the dealer) was an awesome guy and his shop was amazing. He has a really cool Australian accent too. Here is his website: http://www.saflithgow.com/cart/

Link to the video of me and my kid and buddy shooting the full auto stuff:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcLwuEDTjCw

Yeah, I'm the fat guy.

[PyR0NiAk]

He also had a full auto M16 with a suppressor but he was having timing issues so we couldn't shoot it all that much.

You mean AR-15?

[bobotech]

I don't know. I always thought that AR15=semi and M16=full auto to laypersons.

I'm not an AR guy, I like my semi AK rifles more.

[PyR0NiAk]

M16 = military issued... 16 inch barrel. It has Semi and 3 round burst options with a 3 choice selector switch (The third choice is the Safety). The M4 is basically the same thing with the biggest difference being a smaller barrel.

An AR-15 is the civilian version of these 2 USUALLY only having the Semi auto option.

Either way, it looks like you were having an awesome time.

[Mr1der]

a Normal A3 M16 has a 20" barrel

the M4 is a 16" or there about...the CAR-15 had a 14.5 with a big a** flash suppressor

I wanna shoot a real AK full auto (7.62)

they're a beast.

[PyR0NiAk]

a Normal A3 M16 has a 20" barrel

the M4 is a 16" or there about...the CAR-15 had a 14.5 with a big a** flash suppressor

I wanna shoot a real AK full auto (7.62)

they're a beast.

Who uses an A3? It's a mixture between an A2 and an A1. Military uses A2 and A4... Only real difference is the carrying handle.
Modified by PyR0NiAk at 10:07 PM 7/20/2009

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Who uses an A3? It's a mixture between an A2 and an A1. Military uses A2 and A4... Only real difference is the carrying handle.

Modified by PyR0NiAk at 10:07 PM 7/20/2009

No, the USMC and the USA use the A4. The USN? A3.

[Hijacker]

I think only USN security and SEALs use A3s. Most Navy personnel don't touch guns past boot, and even in boot they fire very little if at all. Deidra said that the M16 and M9 she qualed on were attached to a permanent air supply, so I'm assuming they were converted to some form of light caliber. From reading online, some fired weapons converted to .22LR, or all they had were MILES training. The training the Navy gives just seems to be all over the place. It boils down to right time and place.

Back to topic:

I would love to fire an AK firing 7.62 at full auto. I do wonder if it suffers from muzzle jump the way the M14s did firing the 7.62 NATO.

[PyR0NiAk]

I would love to fire an AK firing 7.62 at full auto. I do wonder if it suffers from muzzle jump the way the M14s did firing the 7.62 NATO.

0311s that I've talked to say that full auto aks jump up and right BAD.

[Mr1der]

they do.

badly...it's one of those guns you've gotta know how to shoot.

to be fair, any green idiot can pick up an M16 and start making good shots within an hour

the ak has to really be leaned into and pulled down to keep it anywhere near a target for more than a 3 or 4 round burst

I need to shoot a full auto Thompson.

it's suppose to be wicked easy to control as it recoils straight back for the most part

[Hijacker]

The M16 was designed for idiots to fire. Remember, it was originally touted as never needing cleaning. Because people are too dumb to remember to clean their rifles.

[Jyon9689]

I got the chance to fire a neighbor's fully automatic MAK-90 back when I was around 13 or 14. I couldn't feel a distinct jerk to the right. Being only 125-130 pounds at the time, I was surprised that it wasn't easier to control. Then again I was shooting high brass 12ga. loads when everyone my age had just gotten their first .410.

[Mr1der]

The M16 was designed for idiots to fire. Remember, it was originally touted as never needing cleaning. Because people are too dumb to remember to clean their rifles.

yup.

it's an accurate easy to control rifle.

it'll get dirty as f*** quick though.

gas impingement ftl

[PyR0NiAk]

yup.

it's an accurate easy to control rifle.

it'll get dirty as f*** quick though.

gas impingement ftl

Yep, and all it takes is a couple grains of sand to totally f*** one up..

[Mr1der]

pretty much...

I wanna get my hands on a FN SCAR-H

[NJHate240]

i wish i can get a gun like that its sick

[Hijacker]

yup.

it's an accurate easy to control rifle.

it'll get dirty as f*** quick though.

gas impingement ftl

It was advertised that way. Didn't mean it was real The Army didn't issue any cleaning kits when the rifle first hit the field. It didn't take long for them to realize that it needed cleaning though

[Mr1der]

yeah, along with changing the powder in the ammo.

they're accurate..but the gas impingement just doesn't lend to reliability.

that said, I might consider a piston AR but...I dunno.

when I drop 4 figures on a battle rifle, it's gonna be this guy.

[Nismo_Freak]

M16 = military issued... 16 inch barrel. It has Semi and 3 round burst options with a 3 choice selector switch (The third choice is the Safety). The M4 is basically the same thing with the biggest difference being a smaller barrel.

M4A3 is the standard issue weapon for Army, including Special Forces. It's a tapered 14.5" barreled rifle (for the M203 and now M320), used in various Mod forms depending on squad role and SOPMOD directives.

M16A4 is the standard field weapon for some Army support and other units like the Navy and Marine Corps. It's basically a burst-pack in a optics ready M16A3 with a 20" barrel.

Civilian M4s have a 14.5" barrel with a fixed flash hider so it conforms to legal length requirements from the goon squad (ATF). They also do not have full auto fire control systems, or the bolt carrier groups in most cases.

[Nismo_Freak]

Yep, and all it takes is a couple grains of sand to totally f*** one up..

Not really ... you can learn tricks to keep one running in a dusty environment. Using grease and running the gun mostly dry helps alot. Motor oil is also another good option.

Keeping the dust port shut helps also, because so long as the sand doesn't get into the bolt face you are alright. That means keeping your mags covered and knocking the dust out of them as much as possible in a mag change.

[PyR0NiAk]

You realize you just bumped a nearly 3 month old thread?

[Nismo_Freak]

You realize you just bumped a nearly 3 month old thread?

I don't care, call the internet police.

[rb30dett]

Not really ... you can learn tricks to keep one running in a dusty environment. Using grease and running the gun mostly dry helps alot. Motor oil is also another good option.

Keeping the dust port shut helps also, because so long as the sand doesn't get into the bolt face you are alright. That means keeping your mags covered and knocking the dust out of them as much as possible in a mag change.

I'll think about that when I'm in combat.

[PyR0NiAk]

Oceanside huh? Stationed at Miramar?

[rb30dett]

Oceanside huh? Stationed at Miramar?

Nah I'm on Pendleton, bro.

[PyR0NiAk]

Nice... Al Asad right now, but home station is Cherry Point...

[rb30dett]

Nice... Al Asad right now, but home station is Cherry Point...

Wow, nice! My little bro is there as well. You just might see him around.

[PyR0NiAk]

What squadron?

[rb30dett]

What squadron?

He's a supply, reservist goon from Tennessee. His unit is 3/24 H&S Co.