Weary travelers support troups at airport.
Majority? Name the majority.
Nice exit. Tasteful, at least you didn't call me ignorant.
To quote you, "let's not get all teary eyed."
So for three pages you called people ignorant, but now you shy away? I knew, I KNEW you didn't have a solution to the problem, but rather you just wanted to make a stink and pi$$ on a perfectly tasteful tribute to American troops. It would seem that YOU, sir, are the one lacking compassion. And then you fold. Predictable. In a way, ignorant.
Nice exit. Tasteful, at least you didn't call me ignorant.
To quote you, "let's not get all teary eyed."
So for three pages you called people ignorant, but now you shy away? I knew, I KNEW you didn't have a solution to the problem, but rather you just wanted to make a stink and pi$$ on a perfectly tasteful tribute to American troops. It would seem that YOU, sir, are the one lacking compassion. And then you fold. Predictable. In a way, ignorant.
SmithSR wrote:Majority? Name the majority.
Nice exit. Tasteful, at least you didn't call me ignorant.
To quote you, "let's not get all teary eyed."
So for three pages you called people ignorant, but now you shy away? I knew, I KNEW you didn't have a solution to the problem, but rather you just wanted to make a stink and pi$$ on a perfectly tasteful tribute to American troops. It would seem that YOU, sir, are the one lacking compassion. And then you fold. Predictable. In a way, ignorant.
I've already stated my solution to the issue
and your statements speak for themselves... I do not need to point out your ignorance
You stop unlawful killing by killing the killer. By calling everything you see in opposition to you.. "ignorant" ..you limit your world-view to your own perspective. You yourself become ignorant to the glaring obvious truths that wrongs must be righted, laws must be enforced, killers must be removed. You'd rather we all hold hands, as the known murderers are given a free hand to kill as they see fit, so long as they stay on their side of the world?? As we all know, killers do not always stay on their side of the world.
SmithSR wrote:You stop unlawful killing by killing the killer. By calling everything you see in opposition to you.. "ignorant" ..you limit your world-view to your own perspective. You yourself become ignorant to the glaring obvious truths that wrongs must be righted, laws must be enforced, killers must be removed. You'd rather we all hold hands, as the known murderers are given a free hand to kill as they see fit, so long as they stay on their side of the world?? As we all know, killers do not always stay on their side of the world.
I did not say that everything in opposition to me is ignorant.
Why do you jump to these types of conclusions? Because you have no argument?
89240sx wrote:I did not say that everything in opposition to me is ignorant.
Why do you jump to these types of conclusions? Because you have no argument?
I've already stated my solution to the issue
your statements speak for themselves... I do not need to point out your ignorance
There really is no talking to you because you have no compassion for human life
Well to start out with he could have atleast tried diplomacy
because it was rushed, not thought out and unjust.
Maybe you should rethink your ignorance
let's not get all teary eyed people
I do not expect you to look past your own ignorance to actually read what I post.
Some of your most worthless jargon piled together. You're using many evasive tactics, then trying to turn the issue against me. By reading the above you can see why people don't take you seriously. Then you suggest that I have no arguement. I ask you to state your solution, and you suggest we should at least try diplomacy. Is that REALLY your solution? Do you have a solution? Don't split hairs because it makes you and your position look weak. Or, should I say, don't CONTINUE to split hairs and try to walk the fine line of non-committal debate.
Take a side, stick to it, defend it. You still have not given a solution, so I'd say you still need to answer that before you continue this evade, insult routine.
I see what you're doing, by trying to be evasive, and twist the issue to make it look like you haven't had your nuts strung up on a line by other members as well. It really is too late to try and twist the issue, unless you can bring to the table a real solution. Stop crying because all the world is not in harmony with your ideals.
You have no argument for removal of Saddam other than the failed diplomacy over more than a decade's time.
SmithSR wrote:Some of your most worthless jargon piled together. You're using many evasive tactics, then trying to turn the issue against me. By reading the above you can see why people don't take you seriously. Then you suggest that I have no arguement. I ask you to state your solution, and you suggest we should at least try diplomacy. Is that REALLY your solution? Do you have a solution? Don't split hairs because it makes you and your position look weak. Or, should I say, don't CONTINUE to split hairs and try to walk the fine line of non-committal debate.
Take a side, stick to it, defend it. You still have not given a solution, so I'd say you still need to answer that before you continue this evade, insult routine.
I see what you're doing, by trying to be evasive, and twist the issue to make it look like you haven't had your nuts strung up on a line by other members as well. It really is too late to try and twist the issue, unless you can bring to the table a real solution. Stop crying because all the world is not in harmony with your ideals.
You have no argument for removal of Saddam other than the failed diplomacy over more than a decade's time.
First of all that is where you are wrong.. I am not the one that should be on the defensive and I am not the one that has a view that is not in harmony with the rest of the world... that IS YOU.
I've always sticked to the side I've stuck to... and I was not the one who started this conversation with you... you came in and decided to attack me.
Probably because you feel personally attacked because you are finding out that your way is a way of the past and your thoughts behind aggression are of the minority on this planet.
I would have to say .. coming from a guy with a gun for an avatar I am not surprised that you say my solution which would be a more peaceful solution does not coincide with your thoughts.
And people taking me seriously? This forum is full of power hungry ******* mods and dumb kids, I'm used to the ignorance and only use this forum for information for my car. So your collective opinions on my thoughts mean absolutely nothing to me considering the audience at which they stem from.
I only decided to comment on this thread because of how ridiculously neoconservative and untrue it is... Even someone that was IN the military said it was untrue and that it was a chain letter!
You may think that you should not be on the defensive, but funny how you ended up there....?
You feel attacked?? must be that "defensive" thing you posted.
My way is a way of the past? hey pal, look around. Global peace(or whatever ideal you hold) cannot come about without the removal of some very evil people. Deal with it.
Judge me by my avatar, it's there for a reason. Come aboard for the big win.
YOUR solution of failed diplomacy that wasted more than a decade got us nowhere. You cannot tame a tiger with a wink and a smile.
About the forum, don't dilute this thread into one of those "dislike for the rules/mods/forum" issues.
Neoconservative.
Long live the NRA, long live President Bush and his industrialist lobby, drill for oil in Alaska, more power to the troops abroad, God bless America. More cops, more funding, better hardware.
Have the trees hugged back yet?
You feel attacked?? must be that "defensive" thing you posted.
My way is a way of the past? hey pal, look around. Global peace(or whatever ideal you hold) cannot come about without the removal of some very evil people. Deal with it.
Judge me by my avatar, it's there for a reason. Come aboard for the big win.
YOUR solution of failed diplomacy that wasted more than a decade got us nowhere. You cannot tame a tiger with a wink and a smile.
About the forum, don't dilute this thread into one of those "dislike for the rules/mods/forum" issues.
Neoconservative.
Long live the NRA, long live President Bush and his industrialist lobby, drill for oil in Alaska, more power to the troops abroad, God bless America. More cops, more funding, better hardware. Have the trees hugged back yet?
SmithSR wrote:You may think that you should not be on the defensive, but funny how you ended up there....?
You feel attacked?? must be that "defensive" thing you posted.
My way is a way of the past? hey pal, look around. Global peace(or whatever ideal you hold) cannot come about without the removal of some very evil people. Deal with it.
Judge me by my avatar, it's there for a reason. Come aboard for the big win.
YOUR solution of failed diplomacy that wasted more than a decade got us nowhere. You cannot tame a tiger with a wink and a smile.
About the forum, don't dilute this thread into one of those "dislike for the rules/mods/forum" issues.
Neoconservative.
Have the trees hugged back yet?
Wow great way to show your ignorance again
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I understand everyones right to have different opinions. That makes America a pretty kicka$$ place to live. Is the current regime of government going about things the absolute best way possible?? That is a question that can never be answered with any realism. There will always be a party in opposition that has another agenda which they believe to be "the better" solution.
When you get down to the actual topic, it isn't what people supposedly did or said to troops when they got off an airplane. This turned into a why are we at war with Iraq thread.
Now in all honesty, I hate being deployed to that damn place. I think we should have been done with this entire problem back in 91. But we didn't finish the job. We left certain individuals in power. Which in turn bit us right in the proverbial ***.
The people in that country were seriously opressed. There is no way anyone can say different. I've been to the country, I've seen it with my own eyes. So I don't need to quote any references.
We need to ask ourselves this. In all honesty, are we actually making things better for the people over there. I mean right now, considering that the heavy metals, of which depleted uranium is not the worst, have been there since the wars with Israel. Granted, we're not helping by depositing more. We need to look beyond the negative aspects. We need to look at 10 years from now. If we help to install a better government, one that the people will support. Is that worth the use of force? Or would it be better to sit back and let diplomacy, which has been done for over a decade, try to sort through all the horrid issues. Diplomacy is a bunch of political BS at its highest level.
In my eyes, the use of force was warrented. Can you stop somthing by use of force and death? To say anything other then yes would be utterly stupid. Look at the defeat of Nazi Germany, we weren't going to get anywhere with diplomacy. So War ensued, to the outcome of a vitual peace throughout Europe and the halting of what was possibly the worst crimes against humanity ever documented. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people were killed. Yet in the end, the outcome was for the better. Was the entire country in agreement to go to war? No, of course they weren't. But we went anyway...
Being the world superpower comes with alot of responsibilty. More then you or I could ever fathom.
In closing, if a false chain letter goes around the internet and fosters a little good will towards the soldiers of our great nation, who don't actually have a choice about the war in the first place, then why can't we just let people be happy. The letter causes no one any harm.
Lets look at it from a different view. I've been trained for the last 11 years to look outside the box. In this thread I see a large group of people who get a sense of goodness by reading the initial post. I also see a slight few who obviously feel some type of negative emotion. But because of those slight few, this otherwise positive thread has turned completely negative. Mans human nature to argue and war with eachother prevails even in this thread where we are arguing over why not to be at war. My point, if in keeping your thought to yourself, you can positivly influence people where speaking your opinion will cause a negative disruption, then the best act would be to simply keep to yourself. Freedom of speech is wonderful, but we should all learn the proper way to speak our points.
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When you get down to the actual topic, it isn't what people supposedly did or said to troops when they got off an airplane. This turned into a why are we at war with Iraq thread.
Now in all honesty, I hate being deployed to that damn place. I think we should have been done with this entire problem back in 91. But we didn't finish the job. We left certain individuals in power. Which in turn bit us right in the proverbial ***.
The people in that country were seriously opressed. There is no way anyone can say different. I've been to the country, I've seen it with my own eyes. So I don't need to quote any references.
We need to ask ourselves this. In all honesty, are we actually making things better for the people over there. I mean right now, considering that the heavy metals, of which depleted uranium is not the worst, have been there since the wars with Israel. Granted, we're not helping by depositing more. We need to look beyond the negative aspects. We need to look at 10 years from now. If we help to install a better government, one that the people will support. Is that worth the use of force? Or would it be better to sit back and let diplomacy, which has been done for over a decade, try to sort through all the horrid issues. Diplomacy is a bunch of political BS at its highest level.
In my eyes, the use of force was warrented. Can you stop somthing by use of force and death? To say anything other then yes would be utterly stupid. Look at the defeat of Nazi Germany, we weren't going to get anywhere with diplomacy. So War ensued, to the outcome of a vitual peace throughout Europe and the halting of what was possibly the worst crimes against humanity ever documented. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people were killed. Yet in the end, the outcome was for the better. Was the entire country in agreement to go to war? No, of course they weren't. But we went anyway...
Being the world superpower comes with alot of responsibilty. More then you or I could ever fathom.
In closing, if a false chain letter goes around the internet and fosters a little good will towards the soldiers of our great nation, who don't actually have a choice about the war in the first place, then why can't we just let people be happy. The letter causes no one any harm.
Lets look at it from a different view. I've been trained for the last 11 years to look outside the box. In this thread I see a large group of people who get a sense of goodness by reading the initial post. I also see a slight few who obviously feel some type of negative emotion. But because of those slight few, this otherwise positive thread has turned completely negative. Mans human nature to argue and war with eachother prevails even in this thread where we are arguing over why not to be at war. My point, if in keeping your thought to yourself, you can positivly influence people where speaking your opinion will cause a negative disruption, then the best act would be to simply keep to yourself. Freedom of speech is wonderful, but we should all learn the proper way to speak our points.
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I know all about the gulf war syndrome my friend. I know all about the bad things that can come from war and use of chemicals and all kinds of other nasty stuff. As soldiers, we all sign papers, on these papers are all kinds of stuff we knowingly expose ourselves to. My form has a ton of different things, ranging from CPC to Depleted Uranium. I do my job because I choose to. Is it fair that other are exposed, no of course not, I'm not arguing that it is.
I'm arguing that a better good will come from this.
Why must you keep on with the negativity my friend??
I'm arguing that a better good will come from this.
Why must you keep on with the negativity my friend??
WDRacing wrote:I know all about the gulf war syndrome my friend. I know all about the bad things that can come from war and use of chemicals and all kinds of other nasty stuff. As soldiers, we all sign papers, on these papers are all kinds of stuff we knowingly expose ourselves to. My form has a ton of different things, ranging from CPC to Depleted Uranium. I do my job because I choose to. Is it fair that other are exposed, no of course not, I'm not arguing that it is.
I'm arguing that a better good will come from this.
Why must you keep on with the negativity my friend??
What is more negative arguing for peace or arguing for a war?
And you truly believe this is worth poisoning people and yourself not to mention your seed if you decide to have a family one day.
Why not ban such weapons from being used ?
Perhaps he's asking for a concise explanation of your solution, or maybe your alternative to going to war...failed diplomacy being ruled out, after more than a decade of trying. Also maybe a solution for your comment about children and families, ten years from now.
Hard to filter out any real substance around the shouts of "ignorant" in every other one of your posts.
Hard to filter out any real substance around the shouts of "ignorant" in every other one of your posts.
SmithSR wrote:Perhaps he's asking for a concise explanation of your solution, or maybe your alternative to going to war...failed diplomacy being ruled out, after more than a decade of trying. Also maybe a solution for your comment about children and families, ten years from now.
Hard to filter out any real substance around the shouts of "ignorant" in every other one of your posts.
You are referring to the years of sanctions the U.S. put on the Iraqi people? That is not what I'm referring to , I'm referring to the fact that he did not have a good enough reason to go to war in the first place and almost the entire world including a lot of our allies agreed that it was too hasty and not thought through well enough and now he realizes what a can of worms he is in but of course because of his pride he will not do the right thing and involve the UN to fix things and stop the death. I'm sure you can even ask our own soldiers if they would like the UN to be involved to help ease the brunt of the problem and they would agree.
Furthermore, cease ignorance and the use of the word will cease.