Weary travelers support troups at airport.

[AZhitman]

so what makes us any better than that brutal regime ...afterall you admit that we are poisoning them

When was the last time YOUR neighborhood was poison gassed by your local government?

When was the last time the females in your family were raped by a roving band of government officials?

When was the last time you were tortured by a law enforcement officer with the government's consent?

Dude, if you don't know what makes us any different from them, you are either ignorant or blinded by the very propaganda you purport to hate.

[89240sx]

I don't see you attacking Exar-Kun your moderator buddy... afterall he does not agree with the policies that started this war...

Whats the matter can't attack someone with the same awesome forum moderator power such as yourself?

[89240sx]

When was the last time YOUR neighborhood was poison gassed by your local government?

When was the last time the females in your family were raped by a roving band of government officials?

When was the last time you were tortured by a law enforcement officer with the government's consent?

Dude, if you don't know what makes us any different from them, you are either ignorant or blinded by the very propaganda you purport to hate.

Now you are talking out of your ***... you have no proof to back any of this up just what is fed from the media to you... but that's okay afterall somebody in this country has to be a sheep

[Exar-Kun]

-greg, no offense, but please re-adjust your "liberals" comments, I know you're a better person that to make a broad statement like that. I know I try not to, I try and judge people one by one, liberal conservative, whatever.. Im pretty sure you'd support that idea. its what america was founded upon, the right to think for yourself and provide those views to tohers, without being judged predjudicailly/inappropriately due to race, creed or color.

"But then again, liberals usually aren't very good at presenting factual evidence to back their assertions. "

I dont really like that remark.

-240sxnr, "Whats the matter can't attack someone with the same awesome forum moderator power such as yourself?" hes not attcking me because I didnt start anything with him over his comments. this is a forum of open beliefs, truth be told, greg could ban me if he wanted to, in a heartbeat. he could ahve banned you, too by now if he felt like it, but he hasnt.(as of this writing...) which I think shows some restraint and quality of character.

/begin rant

Im not in favor of the war in iraque, headed by a regime whos ex-copmanies get the contracts to "rebiuld" what we destroyed. now, I agree saddam needed to be removed on principle, but heres the problem, you take away one bully(whom everyone is afraid of) what do you get? LOTS of little bullies, or small resistance cells and warlords if you will. this happened in afghanistan and its happening in iraq.

the basis in which we undertook the iraqui invasion were false, the goverment has YET to provide any proof of saddams links to al quaeda(sp?) or any other terrorlst organisation responsible for "9-11" and the guy that would have been able to provide the factual evidnce commited "suicide". all the administration has done is railroaded into the war, with no plan for rebuilding iraq, on inuendo and propganda and our american spirit of revenge.

you know somethings wrong when the entire UN(well, most of it) disagrees with what we're doing, and WTO is against our current policies(we helped establish the orginisation) and yet bush and "america" think we're doing whats "right".

yet this doesnt mean I dont support our military, i have great respect and reverence for the military, its not everyone who can say "yeah, I'll take mediocre pay, crappy clothes, and a 2 year minimum contract to get hot and work my *** off" just to help their country....thats respectable. and I support any extrensic work ethic like that.

/end rant

im gonna end my rant there. suffice to say, dont generalise, its somehting I cant stand, in either direction. i try not to, and Im sure greg didnt mean to, but got worked up.

greg: relax, different people, different opinions.240sxnr: same thing

both of you/entire board:"just because you disagree with an opinion doesnt mean you shouldnt respect it"

IE: just because I hate farm subsidies, dont disrespect my ideas or my person because of that single belief.

I know greg is better than that, i've seen it.

thank you for your time.-chet"my right to swing my fist ends where the other fellow's nose begins" -benjamin franklin

[89240sx]

One last comment.... your article states that the military found their own weapons safe... these are armor piercing weapons... do you actually think the military would say they are not safe?

The articles I posted were from non military independant scientific studies inside and outside of the United States.

[AZhitman]

I don't see you attacking Exar-Kun your moderator buddy... afterall he does not agree with the policies that started this war...

Whats the matter can't attack someone with the same awesome forum moderator power such as yourself?

Actually, I have no problem with someone's opposition to the war. I have a problem with your comments that go beyond that.

BTW, Chet's a moderator, I'm an administrator. Wouldn't be a fair fight.

(j/p Chet)

Let me retract my statement (you don't really consider yourself a liberal, do you Chet?)

"But then again, 89240sx usually isn't very good at presenting factual evidence to back his assertions."

[89240sx]

What the hell are you talking about?

I gave you an entire search with results from independant scientific studies on depleted uranium poisoning and all you can come up with is the source of the poisoning says it's not poison?

[AZhitman]

Now you are talking out of your ***... you have no proof to back any of this up just what is fed from the media to you... but that's okay afterall somebody in this country has to be a sheep

Unbelieveable.

These atrocities are witnessed and documented ad nauseum by people from that region. Are you saying Saddam never gassed his own people? That's like saying the Nazis never executed Jews.

But then again, only a "sheep" would believe that.

[AZhitman]

What the hell are you talking about?

I gave you an entire search with results from independant scientific studies on depleted uranium poisoning and all you can come up with is the source of the poisoning says it's not poison?

No. You sent a page of Google results for articles containing the words URANIUM and POISON....

You didn't read them to see if they supported your point.

[89240sx]

Unbelieveable.

These atrocities are witnessed and documented ad nauseum by people from that region. Are you saying Saddam never gassed his own people? That's like saying the Nazis never executed Jews.

But then again, only a "sheep" would believe that.

He gassed the kurds and Iranians with help from the good ole U.S.

[89240sx]

No. You sent a page of Google results for articles containing the words URANIUM and POISON....

You didn't read them to see if they supported your point.

I have read countless studies on the matter... producing a search was a way of allowing people to look through the results themselves.

[Nathan]

Thank You! You win the most ignorant post of the day award!

Dont feel bad Greg, I've won that same award from 89240sx as well I'm not even going to comment on this any more as it has been beaten to death allready. Suffice to say, I support my Country, my President, and my country's military personnel.

[nismodave]

I'm a jackazz because I can spot a neoconservative flag thumping piece of diarrhea bull**** article when I see one?

Go ahead and believe that nonsense propoganda...... it's rubbish my friends.

The only rubbish here are the thoughts you type on this Fourm.

Someone posts a story to show the RESPECT most have for our men and women of the armed forces, and you dump on it.

Go live in a country that does not allow your thoughts to be spoken aloud, like IRAQ was, and see how fast your tounge is cut out.

Thank God for the brave people over there fighting.

They do it so we dont have to fight these evil people on our own soil.

[89240sx]

The only rubbish here are the thoughts you type on this Fourm.

Someone posts a story to show the RESPECT most have for our men and women of the armed forces, and you dump on it.

Go live in a country that does not allow your thoughts to be spoken aloud, like IRAQ was, and see how fast your tounge is cut out.

Thank God for the brave people over ther fighting.

They do it so we dont have to fight these evil people on our own soil.

Once again my point is proven!

Thanks

[aleph1]

LOL. You guys are hilarious.

The problem, to me, is the reason why we went to war with Iraq. I agree that we should free brutal, oppressed nations, but what I don't agree with is the wild allegations of WMD and such, when it took FOREVER to find any evidence of such WMD, and when they did, I can't see it as credible because the military could have really found nothing but say they found stuff (hence why they found it so late in the game). Know what I mean? Just a thought.

Not to mention I think the REAL reason this war was started is of a greed-induced nature (eg, oil) with a cheap "free the oppressed" sticker over it. I mean, the Bush administration tries to play off like the MAIN reason they took over the country was to free the people (along with WMD), but I dont think our country would "waste" billions, if not trillions already, of dollars of our reasources just to free the people and leave in peace. There has to be some ulterior motive at play here...

In conclusion, I don't FULLY agree with this war, although I am happy the Iraqi people are finally free from the Hussains thanks to our soldiers. I have always, and will always, respect our soldiers. They fight as I sit here in my comfy chair typing away debates on some BBS...

[AZhitman]

How does that prove YOUR point? Apparently, if I say, "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains" that will also "prove your point"?

You have to make a point first.

I can sleep well tonight knowing your influence in matters of real importance (like national security and defense of freedom) is minimal. G'night all!

[nismodave]

Once again my point is proven!

Thanks

:patriot

[89240sx]

How does that prove YOUR point? Apparently, if I say, "The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains" that will also "prove your point"?

You have to make a point first.

I can sleep well tonight knowing your influence in matters of real importance (like national security and defense of freedom) is minimal. G'night all!

If you read his comments and read through the thread you would see how exactly my point was proven but I do not expect you to look past your own ignorance to actually read what I post.

[89240sx]

:patriot

It's good to see you stand by your ignorance

[nismodave]

It's good to see you stand by your ignorance

I support people who defend our country......unlike you.

And Im the ignorant one.

I posted the patriot smiley to show that Im an true American and you are not.

Go live in another country and take your screwed up ideals with you.

Im done with this .........

You waste mine , averyone elses time........ on top of NICO bandwidth.

Its a damn shame what happened to this thread.....

[89240sx]

I support people who defend our country......unlike you.

And Im the ignorant one.

I posted the patriot smiley to show that Im an true American and you are not.

Go live in another country and take your screwed up ideals with you.

Im done with this .........

You waste mine , averyone elses time........ on top of NICO bandwidth.

Its a damn shame what happened to this thread.....

Once again you prove my point and also prove your ignorance.

good job buddy

and you know what's even funnier? you don't even realize it

[SmithSR]

:patriot

[89240sx]

let's not get all teary eyed people :rolleyes

[SmithSR]

God bless America, too

[Nathan]

89, perhaps you are merely showing your own ignorance to be no less than any of us "Patriots" through your similarly unbending devotion to your beliefs. If we are displaying ignorance, then certainly you are right there beside us with your own. :patriot

[89240sx]

89, perhaps you are merely showing your own ignorance to be no less than any of us "Patriots" through your similarly unbending devotion to your beliefs. If we are displaying ignorance, then certainly you are right there beside us with your own. :patriot

Are you not showing the same? And my ignorance does not get people poisoned and killed

[Nathan]

I never said I wasn't showing ignorance...without the whole un-biased story how can any of us not be in some way ignorant of the situation? Perhaps you need to re-think your position on your ignorance not getting people poisoned or killed. The people in Iraq who will no longer be tortured to death by their own government might disagree with you.

[89240sx]

I never said I wasn't showing ignorance...without the whole un-biased story how can any of us not be in some way ignorant of the situation? Perhaps you need to re-think your position on your ignorance not getting people poisoned or killed. The people in Iraq who will no longer be tortured to death by their own government might disagree with you.

So further poisoning them with uranium is the way to resolve that issue?

Maybe you should rethink your ignorance

[Nathan]

If that is what it takes, yes. Not to mention the fact that the ability to have such good armor piercing weaponry helps to protect our soldiers from harm. In my mind it is a justifiable "evil". Would you also have us stop x-raying children who have had their legs blown off by mines etc? What about commercial airliners, they expose you to a good amount of radiation as well, perhaps they should be outlawed. You can't protect the world from everything and depleted uranium is a drop in the bucket compared to other sources of radiation. It's true that it might in theory affect those that come in direct prolonged contact with it more than other more benign forms of radiation but the number of people coming in direct prolonged contact with it is inconsequential. Could you find good numbers on how many Iraqi civilians have suffered ill effects that can be directly traced to depleted uranium? If not your argument is a moot subject and just as Hitman said before me, nothing but hearsay. You could go so far as to say that Hussein is the cause of the "poisoning" since it's his actions that made our use of depleted uranium necessary.

[89240sx]

If that is what it takes, yes. Not to mention the fact that the ability to have such good armor piercing weaponry helps to protect our soldiers from harm. In my mind it is a justifiable "evil". Would you also have us stop x-raying children who have had their legs blown off by mines etc? What about commercial airliners, they expose you to a good amount of radiation as well, perhaps they should be outlawed. You can't protect the world from everything and depleted uranium is a drop in the bucket compared to other sources of radiation. It's true that it might in theory affect those that come in direct prolonged contact with it more than other more benign forms of radiation but the number of people coming in direct prolonged contact with it is inconsequential. Could you find good numbers on how many Iraqi civilians have suffered ill effects that can be directly traced to depleted uranium? If not your argument is a moot subject and just as Hitman said before me, nothing but hearsay. You could go so far as to say that Hussein is the cause of the "poisoning" since it's his actions that made our use of depleted uranium necessary.

So it is also okay that studies show Gulf war syndrome in our own soldiers stems from what you say minimal effects of depleted uranium poisoning?