We need a fender rolling/pulling FAQ

[youngmanvr4]

I'm going to be rolling my fenders soon and I was thinking Chet or someone else should maybe get a rolling and pulling fenders FAQ. I looked for it in the links in all the other FAQ's but didn't come up with anything.

In the FAQ in should have the different ways to roll and pull your fenders. What different tool you can use. Which ways work best, ect. I dont know, maybe its not a good idea but I though it could be useful for me and others.

[Dano]

Here, i'll answer your questions right now.

Use a real fender roller tool. This is one of those things that you do it right, or it'll look like crap. You can rent it from a few different places including from some of our sponsers, or you can buy one for about $300. It bolts to the hub and you roll the tool back and forth, it has a roller of its on that rolls along the fender, forcing it outward. Use a heat gun to heat up the paint and metal, making it more plyable, and reduces the risk of cracking the paint.

First you want to roll the lip of the fender well flat.

Then you want to turn about 1/4 - 1/2 turn increments at a time and slowly bring the fender out the desired distance, keeping the metal heated from the heatgun as u go.

Then repeat on the other side.

Remember, slow and steady!

Don't use a baseball bat, it'll look like crap.

-Dan

[audtatious]

I actually used a baseball bat once and it worked quite well. Must be a wood Louisville Slugger tho

[youngmanvr4]

Thanks Dan for the tip. I was planning on using a real fender roller but wasn't sure how to use one.

The thing that would be nice with a FAQ is it could explain how to use a real fender roller in detail, other opitions besides a real roller for the ones who dont have the money to rent or buy one. Other things like, baseball bat, Russell use a ball joint splitter to pull the fernders, different things like that. Explain how to do it in detail would be nice to have I think.

[Exar-Kun]

If someone wnats to write it, I'll put it up..but I won't be doing it. Fender rolling/pulling is in myopinion a way for someone who doesn't know how to properly tune car out to put incorrect fitments on their car.

Will it help fit marginally wider wheels? sure! Does it make the car faster..nodoes it corner better? no.

Do wider wheels mean quicker cornering? Not directly, and in 90% of applications I see here..definately not.

does a properly done stickier tire and wheel combo make the car faster and corner quciker? yes!

Does this require fender rolling/pulling? hell no.

Yes, there are exceptions to this;IE full race-spec cars running wider/sticker race compounds and widerbody fenders to ensure propper suspension travel and turning...but how many of those guys here have that?

That thread would be better done in the tech articles, honestly.

ON a side note..'m doing a project to vastly update the wheel/tire suspension/brakes stickies..

allong with some articles that should help educate the alyman much better, and help more people understand where myself and Smith, etc come from when we questions the logic behind the apparently never ending thirst for wider and bigger wheels (MO LIP FOO!....*sigh*)

WHo knows..maybe I'll do a write up, but between MBA school, swork and 3 job interviews comming up...I doubt it'll be soon.

I will forward the request to someone who knows ths stuff like the back of his hand though...if he writes it, I'll post it

-Chet

[BaliLover]

The desire for wider wheels is simply for cosmetic reasons. Wider wheels are like fake boobs, they aren't necessary but they sure to draw attention.

[youngmanvr4]

The desire for wider wheels is simply for cosmetic reasons. Wider wheels are like fake boobs, they aren't necessary but they sure to draw attention.

Like Chet right, lol just kidding man.

Thanks Chet, your awesome by the way.

I would do the write up but I dont know much yet. But I'll know more when I try.

The wheels I'm getting are SPL's 19x9 +20 in 235/45. I could get the tires in 225/45 and not have to roll or pull but the I would have to strech the tires even more and I dont like streched tires. Thats why I want 235/45 thus needing a roll.

Sometimes (not all) I think wider wheels CAN be over rated. Then are good sometimes. Bad other times. Mine are for looks and the best offset in 4 lug out there that arn't craply made wheels. Do you agree Chet?

In my opinion wheels make 80% of the looks of the car. I'm going for the looks and alittle performance.

Thanks again Chet, I hope to see some more info on this subject.

[McRussellPants]

The desire for wider wheels is simply for cosmetic reasons. Wider wheels are like fake boobs, they aren't necessary but they sure to draw attention.

That must be why Race cars pimp around the track on 205/55/15. Oh... Wait...

I think the arguement that wider tires/wheels don't help handling is retarded. If you dont care to spend 10 minutes rolling your fenders to fit a wheel so be it, but don't justify it by thinking its faster. I mean, if that were in anyway logical then every street car on the planet could be on 105/40/17 whatever and have no ill consecences. off the top of my head currently the only racing vehicle on pavement with narrow wheels is the Forumla VW.

As for the fender roller - you only need an actual roller if your pulling the rear fender. As long as your not angry man smashing the fronts you can give them a decent pull without dents with a hammer, bat, pickle fork, jackhandle, whatever.

[McRussellPants]

Also, I doubt this thread is gonna go anywhere fast. There are 500 million ways to widen your fender arches. from clampin away with Vice Grips to cutting them out and getting fiberglass flares. On this forum it doesn't seem like many people have actually pulled fenders, so your prolly gonna get mostly "I heard that..." accounts. Also there will be limited info on how to do on which styles of pull. You would have better luck searching Zilvia or Ziptied where wheels that are wider than 8 +30 are more common. (If you would like I can probably find some good links)

Sorry for taking a **** on your thread, but i'm just being honest.

[youngmanvr4]

Its alright, thats honest and I understand. It would be nice if you could find some links for me, I've done some sreaching but I haven't found GOOD info. But if you could help that would be awesome.

[Exar-Kun]

Hay man,

Thanks for the compliments! I'm still trying to learn as much as possible about tire tuning and suspension tuning, and trying to share what i Have learned with those who would listen.

There is benefit to a wider/lower aspect ratio tire, since they will generally have more cornering grip at hgigher slip angles and increased turn in, but this benefit runs out quite quickly on street tires. Add to this that most patrons doing the plus sizing are going from an H rated (or worse) to a Z rated "uber" wide setup, and of course it handles better. But comparing a 345-30-19 R-1 compound tire on a vehicle with a custom suspension setup and aerodynamic considerations, etc to a street car is just as illogical as comparing a toyota camry 195-70-14 to a 240 tire option.....

back to the point...

I've got some stuff in the FAQ regarding contact patch, etc for wider wheels. To me, the ideal S13 size is a 17x8+30-ish. It keeps your scrub radious in check, provides a very nice selection of sticky tires (225-45-17), provides clearance for the Z32 brakes and has multiple light wheel options.

Anyways, hopefully I'll get some more time to compile this stuff for everyone and get some feedback on it.

-Chet

[jamied311]

The desire for wider wheels is simply for cosmetic reasons. Wider wheels are like fake boobs, they aren't necessary but they sure to draw attention.

lol, permission to use that in my sig?

[McRussellPants]

Here is a thread about pulling fenders on Ziptied.

http://www.ziptied.com/forum/v...lling

Pulled Metal fenders > Overfenders

P.S. 17x9 +20 won't need any significant fender work. just bust out the jackhandle and MAP gas torch.

[youngmanvr4]

Thanks Chet for your help. Again thanks for all you do I wish I could find a wheel in 17x8 in like +25-35. Then I could run a 235/45, not have to strech it that much and that would give me all that I need. If they made FN's in 17x8 and like +28 (or so) I think that would be awesome. But noooo lol.

Thanks you also Russell for the link on ziptied. I'll read up on it tomorrow. Also as you said that I wont have to do much fender work with 17x9 +20 will it clear even with 235/45's, I really want to run that size to avoid alot of streching (I'll be doing it as it is)? I wish 245/40 or even 255/40 would fit. But then you start paying alittle more for tires and I would like to keep the cost of them down alittle since I'll be burning them up lol.

[McRussellPants]

235/40s will fit on the front with a roll and 2.5+ Camber

245/40s should fit on the front with a roll and 3+ camber.

255/40s will need 3.5+ Camber and some fender pulling action.

On the front anyway. On the rear it will just take varying amounts of effort into rolling.

Lastly... WTH are you talking about? They do make FNO1RCs in 17x8 +25.

[youngmanvr4]

Lastly... WTH are you talking about? They do make FNO1RCs in 17x8 +25.

No if you look at what I said, I said it would be nice to have them in that side. But no they dont.

Thanks Russell, I need to read up on my camber adjusting and the effects of doing it. Right now I have shock suspension, I know that 17x9 +20 in 235/45 all around will fit on stock suspension and shouldn't have to adjust camber. Plus I dont really have a way to asjust it.

[McRussellPants]

My bad, its a 5H size. I could of sworn one of the locals said he had +25 and hes on 4H.

[continental_drift]

My bad, its a 5H size. I could of sworn one of the locals said he had +25 and hes on 4H.

I also thought that they did a limited run of that sizing in 4 lug.

[youngmanvr4]

I'm sorry but what does 5H mean? 5 lug?

The only way I can think he could have goten 17x8 +25 is getting 17x8 +35 and then a 10mm spacer. Then he could be on +25. But thats the only thing I can think of.

[Exar-Kun]

FYI: write up by a drift/tuner shop I know the owner of is in the works...

sometimes wishes do come true. :p

-Chet

[S14-KOUKI-MONSTER]

Besides having a sticky thread on "how to" roll fenders, there should also be a list for s13 and s14 owner that gives the specs and sizes for the biggest wheel fitment without having to roll fenders. So people can know if they'll have to roll their fenders or not, while planning their purchase.

I'm going to be buying new rims(rays or work), and I made a post asking this question. I did search, and found no usefull info. People that replied to my post just told me to "search", which seems to be a popular response for those who must not know.

So what is the biggest size I can get without having to roll my fenders?The wheels I'm leaning towards are the work xt7 or cr kai models. The sizes I'm thinking of are 18x9.5 offsets avail are 12/20/30/38, or 18x8.5 offsets 25/37/38/46. So what would be an ideal size for my s14? Would I have to roll my fenders? Sorry if I'm thread jacking.

[94_240sx]

here's good rolling instruction with pictures.

http://www.rollyourfender.com/instruction.html