Ways to make N/A hp

Post by **14.5drift** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

last week I asked a question and it was replied to with

Quote ( ok, I reply to this same post atleast once a month with a full write up on what it will take and cost to get 200/200.

SEARCH.The button is RED, and it loves you!

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Please don't get me wrong, I am sure this question gets an answer alot, but why isn't there any stickies. One would think in a n/a forum we could get a stickie with tried and true methods to making horsepower so we coul have some direct reference to this material.

Could we once and for all go through this one more time?

Post by **14.5drift** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

Please limit responses to on topic, tried and true ( dyno prooven ) ways to make na horse power for Ka24de/e. Thanks guys

Post by **IvoryJ30t** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

uhhh, hummn, lemme think.

headers, exhaust, intake, ecu, cams, nitrous, ect...

its not brain surgery.

Post by **IvoryJ30t** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

just as an example, i ran a search on "na horsepower" and found a thread on exactly what your asking.

that was so hard i now need to take a breather and let my brain cool off.

Post by **240marcuSX** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

perhaps we should list everything here and make it a sticky, although it is definately common sense

headers, exhaust, intake, ecu, cams, pulleys, head job (port/polish/valve/ etc), raise compression, rebuild, valvetrain (lightweight flywheel/driveshaft), LSD, better plugs, wires,

when you get all that done post again and we'll storm up some more ideas.

Checkered-Member · Post by **Checkered-Member** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

There are 4 stages or groups to making HP on a NA engine.I was reaching doing a NA build up on my KA for about a year (so I know what’s up), ended up going turbo…ehh

Basic Bolt-on: spark plugs, plug wires, intake, Cat-Back, battery.

Advanced Bolt-on: headers, high flow cat, pulley, alternator, ECU, ignition upgrade.

Basic Engine work: cams, porting intake manifold, valve job, bigger TB.

Advanced Engine work: head work, forged valves, forged pistons, forged rods, balance/blue print.

Post by **TrunkMonkey** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

Checkered-Member wrote:There are 4 stages or groups to making HP on a NA engine.I was reaching doing a NA build up on my KA for about a year (so I know what’s up), ended up going turbo…ehh

Basic Bolt-on: spark plugs, plug wires, intake, Cat-Back, battery.

Advanced Bolt-on: headers, high flow cat, pulley, alternator, ECU, ignition upgrade.

Basic Engine work: cams, porting intake manifold, valve job, bigger TB.

Advanced Engine work: head work, forged valves, forged pistons, forged rods, balance/blue print.

where did you come up with this? this makes no sense.

you can't do an n/a buildup in stages. everything has to work together. the entire setup should already be planned before the first wrench is even picked up.

-demetrius

Checkered-Member · Post by **Checkered-Member** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

demcj wrote:where did you come up with this? this makes no sense.

you can't do an n/a buildup in stages. everything has to work together. the entire setup should already be planned before the first wrench is even picked up.

-demetrius

It's just a list of grouping items together, nothing more

Post by **trpower7** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

I'd hope so, but demetrius is still correct. I found everything your looking for in under 15 seconds with the search function. Be a grown-up and use it please. This is about middle-school level thinking..........

Post by **14.5drift** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

Thabks for helping guys. Mods should just lock this thread. Noone really want's to talk about it so I can't see this thread becoming a sticky. Oh well. I tried.

Post by **TrunkMonkey** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

the reason why there isn't a sticky or why this one won't become one is because there's way too much info when it comes to building a serious n/a engine. bolt ons are just icing on the cake.

doing a thorough write up to cover every variable would be next to impossible. the only thing i can suggest is that anyone interested in doing a serious n/a build up is to do some research on their own. there are many books on the market and sites on the web that can provide tons of information.

you'd be amazed at how much there is to learn about building a high performance naturally aspirated engine.

-demetrius

Post by **nightwalker** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

for the average guy who wants the most NA power without cracking his engine open, for the KA24DE, here's a list of what can be done to extract the most power...

-Injen intake, or knock off, coupled with HKS filter-Hotshot header-test pipe-cat back mandrel bent exhaust-lightweight pulley-lightweight flywheel and driveshaft-MSD ignition, SS blaster, NGK blue wires, iridium plugs-remove clutch fan, wire electrical fan-power ground kit-300zx fuel filter-light weight wheels-remove a/c system-send throttle body to RC engineering to have bored out-extrude hone intake manifold and match to throttle body-jim wolf or PDM racing cams-AFC or retuned jim wolf ECU those are just power adders, if you setup your suspension right and add at the very least a VLSD, you will get more power to the ground and be faster.

all these used effectively will make a nice sounding, really fun to drive, responsive KA24DE

Post by **03frontyka24** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

Well, how many of these are dyno proven or at least have 1/4 mile before and afters?

I have a 3.90 rear end, many of these mods move the power band up, regearing might be needed to see the maximum benifit.

In my experience trick ignition wires, coils and plugs rarely add horsepower, some do give a quicker spark due to lower inductance (most don't), but even if you do get this small boost this is no different an effect than you get by twisting your distributor a nudge.

Putting in a test pipe may not gain anything either, somke cats flow as well as pipes, I haven't seen any data for various KA24's either way, in various configurations of headers/exahust to recommend an illegal procedure.

Trick pullies and fans are all well and good, but does anyone have any dyno or 1/4 mile times to show the actual gains?

And no-one mentioned the hole saw, you can reduce a significant amount or weight from a vehicle with one of those!

Post by **Jookmasta** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

where could i find this rc engineering or where could i get some engine parts honed?

Post by **Projex240** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

i forget the name of the website, but a ggole search would bring it up. It may be extrudehone.com..

Its pricey though.

Post by **Jonny 290** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

$500 for a GReddy E-Manage and the support tool and ignition harness would be a good investment for lots of N/A guys.

Too many people neglect the fuel system because they don't really HAVE to when running N/A. Turbo guys have no choice, so they tweak their setups out.

I'd say a good upgrade would be the e-manage, the LM-1 wideband unit and a set of some SR guy's 370cc injectors. That's 1k right there max, and you can do both timing and fuel maps based on rpm and tps.

Or you could just turn Luddite and slap Mikunis on the side.

Post by **C-Kwik** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

If you are keeping it NA, chances are you won't need larger injectors unless you seriously increase airflow. This is probably going to only happen if you can get the KA to rev much higher.

Post by **warwick5s** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:56 pm

check some of these threads from vwvortex out, they pertain to using a megasquirt ECU (http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html} along with some motorcycle ITB's. would be good for some pretty serious power gains with very little moneys.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1110347

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=914763

i know this stuff is about vw's, but N/A horsepower is pretty universal, especially once you start talking about standalone systems. i've got a system like this brewed up in my head...just gotta drop some bling and get her out

Ways to make N/A hp

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